BRacer Just Quit GT7

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So far I have done maybe 4 sport races.
The reason is simply that there is other stuff to do and I can do them exactly when I want to and I can earn credits if I need them.

With gtsport I have to be there at a certain time and that is only if the race is something for me, I honestly don't care about many of the combinations we have had so far.
 
If this means that annoying blue NSX gets removed from my Tokyo race in an update, I wish him all the best. Take Suswillo with him too!
 
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Exactly. Kaz’ response to recent upset players were: an Escudo, VGT and a Ford.
I don't think it works like that - it seems more that the timing between Gallo's and Kaz's tweet are just coincidental.

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Also, Traxion.gg is sort of getting into it in their silhouette post too:

HOPEFULLY QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES​

Free new cars are important and very welcome, but for June’s update we have everything crossed for improved online lobby stability, host migration, settings saves and track switching options. They are the lifeblood of a continually played racing game, and despite promises of these features during the game’s review period, they have not been forthcoming so far.

It’s to the point now where Nations Cup champion Valerio Gallo is taking a break from the game. No pressure, Polyphony Digital…
 
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They will black list him.

Good on him for speaking out.
If they don't fix the game, I doubt he will care.

Despite the fact that most player care about the single player/offline content, the online stuff really matters to them.
Which is why it is so infinitely tragic that they aren't able to manage development of this aspect of the game at all.


PD provided that platform to a select few people.
That platform is NOT working.
 
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I'd play online more if the racing was fairer, but it's just a crash fest for me most of the time. Only 10% of the races feel like races
Random open online lobbies can be discouraging and unless you luck out and find a good full room of clean racers, it can mount frustration. The best way to find great online racing is joining a league or organized league series. Many, if not most, have rules and even post race stewarding to curb dirty driving, and persistent offenders typically find themselves on the outsdie looking in. Snailracing, TPC, ARL....are all quite established leagues and communities with a pretty solid and built in groupd of drivers. Most welcome new recruits and host a variety of series and schedules. I'd ask anyone that has written off lobbies to have a look through the GT7 Online Leagues and Series section. Introduce yourself and see what fits your schedule. Everything from the actual scheduled event, to practice sessions, to just the general comraderie makes for a completely different online experience. Links in my signature are for the main league series within Snail, along with the two support series I host. Have a look. Once many of you start racing with an organized league with clean drivers, you will begin to understand why so many are up in arms over the lobby progress. That's highest on my list along with more online room stability, and further tweeks to the evolving physics/ffb. Everything else is just noise until these are fixed imo.
 
Did he say what needs to be fixed? Seems like a salty tweet from someone probably burned out of the game.

Not saying there aren’t issues. There are plenty.
 
Did he say what needs to be fixed? Seems like a salty tweet from someone probably burned out of the game.

Not saying there aren’t issues. There are plenty.
Well if you have played it there is more than 280 characters worth of fixes that are needed.
 
Well if you have played it there is more than 280 characters worth of fixes that are needed.
There’s ways to circumvent that. Just a few days that Rory guy did a video and a letter to raise awareness. Maybe Gallo don’t want to stir the water too much and is giving feedback in the background. As it stands its tweet doesn’t do much more then vaguely complain. It’s not very constructive.
 
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It is astonishing what people interpret into a short and direct formulated tweet.
The man is known and followed for playing/competing in Gran Turismo, has decided to take a break.
So he states his decision with a minimal explanation of his reasons.
Where people can see any saltyness or complaining in that, is beyound my imagination.

Some reason he has to provide to his followers/fans, after all.
PS: Mentioning Rory Alexander as positive example for constructive (and respectful) critique is a far strech in my opinion...
 
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It is astonishing what people interpret into a short and direct formulated tweet.
The man is known and followed for playing/competing in Gran Turismo, has decided to take a break.
So he states his decision with a minimal explanation of his reasons.
Where people can see any saltyness or complaining in that, is beyound my imagination.

Some reason he has to provide to his followers/fans, after all.
PS: Mentioning Rory Alexander as positive example for constructive (and respectful) critique is a far strech in my opinion...
At least he tried. And again, maybe Gallo is providing feedback in the background.

And no he doesn’t have to provide any info to his followers. It’s weird for someone running a tweet account to not do so, but he’s obviously entitled to do whatever he wants.
 
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How can you... Seriously. He wrote he's on hiatus until the game is "fixed"... then feel free to think what you want about it. It is a driver/player who knows exactly what is defective and anyone who is at least rudimentarily familiar with the game also knows about most of the "problems" it is nonsensical to repeat this again and again.. In addition, a large part of the "usual" ones are Follower lazy and doesn't read or understand more than a few lines anyway. So his brief statement that Gallo is taking a break due to the problems in the game is spot on.
Anyone who wants and doesn't know it can find out about all the problems themselves.
 
How can you... Seriously. He wrote he's on hiatus until the game is "fixed"... then feel free to think what you want about it. It is a driver/player who knows exactly what is defective and anyone who is at least rudimentarily familiar with the game also knows about most of the "problems" it is nonsensical to repeat this again and again.. In addition, a large part of the "usual" ones are Follower lazy and doesn't read or understand more than a few lines anyway. So his brief statement that Gallo is taking a break due to the problems in the game is spot on.
Anyone who wants and doesn't know it can find out about all the problems themselves.
He may have a different opinion than yours/mine. But my point is giving criticism to PD.
 
Kaz was able to eat before Gran Turismo. I’m sure he’d still find a way to put food on the table, without this franchise. This game is his vision. He owes the buyers nothing. It’s we who choose to buy this product. I haven’t bought shares in Polyphony Digital and I’m not on board meetings. Entertainment is always a one way street. We can make our own entertainment. As buyers, we choose to purchase things we don’t really need.

I can see if it‘s like a baseball game or a race series. People need to buy tickets and shirts and food to keep a stadium open. This is purely a one time transaction type of scenario. Not like Sony will vanish, if no one buys another Gran Turismo game.
I just cannot understand your logic here.

So if you bought a Samsung 60" TV, got it home only to find the colors were off, screen pixelated, didn't have the features it advertised, and it randomly crashed and shuts off while you were using it... not a big deal because it's a one-time entertainment purpose only purchase? Samsung owes you nothing, even though what was promised was not delivered and what was delivered is broken?

Any company worth its weight in lead takes care of its customers, as without the customers the company dies. Just because something is considered a "luxury" doesn't mean people don't deserve a quality product. Wonder if the streamers on YT who rely on the GT series for their income consider the game a "luxury." Hmmmm.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: We won't know the full impact of peoples' disappointment in GT7 until GT8 comes out (assuming that happens). "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." "Once bitten, twice shy." Yadda yadda.
I guess we’re at an ideological impasse here. The business I’m part of owes our customers our entire existence. If valid complaints are made we take them seriously and communicate how we are and will remedy them. Pretty basic stuff honestly.
One would hope. Hence why most businesses that sell commercially available product have a Customer Service line. You know, for CUSTOMER SERVICE!

For sure, but it’s not like a Bus Service or Hospital service. This is a luxury. The naming of this game “as a service”, that’s hogwash. I can understand the therapy in certain entertainment. However, Gran Turismo is not a necessity.
Rory Alexander and likely scores others would disagree.
 
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I just cannot understand your Wonder if the streamers on YT who rely on the GT series for their income consider the game a "luxury." Hmmmm.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: We won't know the full impact of peoples' disappointment in GT7 until GT8 comes out (assuming that happens). "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." "Once bitten, twice shy." Yadda yadda.

One would hope. Hence why most businesses that sell commercially available product have a Customer Service line. You know, for CUSTOMER SERVICE!Rory Alexander and likely scores others would disagree.
Erm, Rory Alexander is streaming GT7 right now. And seemingly seeing his channel grow on the back of it. Not that any title is beholden to giving someone a living.



Kie has never stopped streaming and has also seen his channel grow tremendously. Maybe he has a point with his latest tweet. There’s a lot of chatter about the current failings of GT7 online. But people still come back to race.



The only mainstream GT streamer I know of is Super GT. He has other real world racing commitments.

None of that is excusing any of the online issues. But we know PD are working on them. We know they have monthly updates. Wouldn’t it make sense to see if there are any solutions in the June update?

For myself and many others GT Sport was the biggest disappointment we’ve ever had in the GT series. The esports approach had niche appeal and many essential features of a GT where ditched in favour of it.

I don’t think it’s such a huge ask for the esports community to have a little patience. Especially as many of those actually playing professionally or for a living are still participating.
 
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I don’t think it’s such a huge ask for the esports community to have a little patience.
until GT7 won't be a proper game to play AND esports ready
I think that Gallo's tweet is absolutely not only aimed at the e-sport issues.

And I don't understand people asking for patience. The game has been out nearly 4 months ago, and all we get are little breadcrumbs of updates here and there, rarely focused on the biggest issues. And they managed to make things worse on multiple occasions. And they had a properly functionning game with GTS regarding the online part.
 
I think that Gallo's tweet is absolutely not only aimed at the e-sport issues.

And I don't understand people asking for patience. The game has been out nearly 4 months ago, and all we get are little breadcrumbs of updates here and there, rarely focused on the biggest issues. And they managed to make things worse on multiple occasions. And they had a properly functionning game with GTS regarding the online part.
Tell me it will be six months; I will be patient. Tell me it will be a year; I will be patient. But they tell us nothing.
 
Erm, Rory Alexander is streaming GT7 right now. And seemingly seeing his channel grow on the back of it. Not that any title is beholden to giving someone a living.



Kie has never stopped streaming and has also seen his channel grow tremendously. Maybe he has a point with his latest tweet. There’s a lot of chatter about the current failings of GT7 online. But people still come back to race.



The only mainstream GT streamer I know of is Super GT. He has other real world racing commitments.

None of that is excusing any of the online issues. But we know PD are working on them. We know they have monthly updates. Wouldn’t it make sense to see if there are any solutions in the June update?

For myself and many others GT Sport was the biggest disappointment we’ve ever had in the GT series. The esports approach had niche appeal and many essential features of a GT where ditched in favour of it.

I don’t think it’s such a huge ask for the esports community to have a little patience. Especially as many of those actually playing professionally or for a living are still participating.

I didn't say either one of them stopped streaming, rather my point was their livelihoods rely on the game. It's more than an "entertainment luxury" to them. The better the game, the better they both do. Regardless, both of which have been very vocal, during their streams and otherwise, about the flaws in the game. Rory's made two stand alone videos about the issues, and has started streaming other racing games because of it. Have you seen these?





Dude's obviously not super pleased with the state of the game. I don't watch too much of Kei, but I've been streaming Rory here-and-there and the dude was having a panic attack/mental breakdown a few weeks back when the game kept freezing on him as he not too long ago, quit his job to stream GT.

This isn't supposed to be a "Rory said this, Kei said that." Not trying to go down that rabbit hole or speak on anyone else's behalf. Rather back to my original points: A product should be able to meet the expectations of the consumer based on supplied information/reasonable assumptions; and, the game is considered more than a "luxury of entertainment" to some people.

Tell me it will be six months; I will be patient. Tell me it will be a year; I will be patient. But they tell us nothing.
Agreed. Personal story but I finally got my PS5 back in October (I think). Three days into having it, the thing bricked itself and wouldn't turn on. I called Sony's CUSTOMER SERVICE (that thing I mentioned earlier) talked to a human, yadda yadda yadda they fixed it on their dime. When I spoke with the Customer Rep., he said it would likely take six weeks to get my system back. I gotta tell ya, it sucked not to have it but I was patient because at least they told me something and I knew it was being worked on. Sure as ****, six weeks later I got it back.

From PD? Crickets, tumbleweeds, and "here are some cars!" is all we get. Yes, they are making updates, but they're a bit off target for the most part.
 
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The only mainstream GT streamer I know of is Super GT. He has other real world racing commitments.
A lot of people seem to forget that. It amused me a little when in Rory's first video about the state of the game, he directly mentions "the biggest content creator" isn't uploading anything, and then within a day there is a video from him covering the previous week's dailies, followed by some real life racing videos.
 
I just cannot understand your logic here.

So if you bought a Samsung 60" TV, got it home only to find the colors were off, screen pixelated, didn't have the features it advertised, and it randomly crashed and shuts off while you were using it... not a big deal because it's a one-time entertainment purpose only purchase? Samsung owes you nothing, even though what was promised was not delivered and what was delivered is broken?

Any company worth its weight in lead takes care of its customers, as without the customers the company dies. Just because something is considered a "luxury" doesn't mean people don't deserve a quality product. Wonder if the streamers on YT who rely on the GT series for their income consider the game a "luxury." Hmmmm.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: We won't know the full impact of peoples' disappointment in GT7 until GT8 comes out (assuming that happens). "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." "Once bitten, twice shy." Yadda yadda.

One would hope. Hence why most businesses that sell commercially available product have a Customer Service line. You know, for CUSTOMER SERVICE!


Rory Alexander and likely scores others would disagree.
Again. It’s like anything we buy that we don’t need. So, you’re going to tell me a YouTuber was born to be a YouTuber for Gran Turismo. You were born to do the profession you do to put food on the table? That’s the point. As consumers, we buy into things we don’t need. That’s my point.

I make complaints about a product. From gadgets to cars I’ve bought. It’s everyone’s choice to buy in. This is a dream of Kaz. A game. It’s not a required service. A YouTuber chooses that route. I can be a means to an end and it can be using a gift of gab. No one questions the why you or I do what we do. My point is you’re feeling you are owed something from Kaz. I’m saying you’re not owed anything from him.
 
Seems like not only did Gallo quit GT7, so has the FIA:

 
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Kaz was able to eat before Gran Turismo. I’m sure he’d still find a way to put food on the table, without this franchise. This game is his vision. He owes the buyers nothing. It’s we who choose to buy this product. I haven’t bought shares in Polyphony Digital and I’m not on board meetings. Entertainment is always a one way street. We can make our own entertainment. As buyers, we choose to purchase things we don’t really need.

I can see if it‘s like a baseball game or a race series. People need to buy tickets and shirts and food to keep a stadium open. This is purely a one time transaction type of scenario. Not like Sony will vanish, if no one buys another Gran Turismo game.
Wow, it's difficult to see the transactional nature of our world explained in a forum post. You're pretty succinct in the way you wrote it and I would be interested to know if entertainment companies look at it this way. With video games in particular, the buy in from consumers seems much more than a fleeting one time transaction. Look at the effort most devs put into community engagement, they are trying to ensure the consumers who bought their product stay with the franchise. If devs agreed to your premise I'd love to hear their thoughts on that.
 
Sony (and by extension PD) don’t ‘need’ to engage the intimately with the community to stay afloat, or even relevant for that matter. They’re not Kunos. They are the juggernauts of the racing games. And will most likely stay that way.

For better or worse, the franchise entitled “Gran Turismo” can still just about sell itself.

As much as their recent cock-ups annoy the diehard fans and sim racing enthusiasts alike, us die hard fans are but a niche in the grand scheme of all things Sony
 
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