Brexit - The UK leaves the EU
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Found one in the Guardian... I really was sure that exit polls couldn't be published, but there seem to be several quoted.
If they're correct then it's The Brexit Milkshake Party followed closely by the Lib Dems, with Jeremy Corbyn struggling along behind. A bad result for the Conservatives, so that's nice.
If they're correct then it's The Brexit Milkshake Party followed closely by the Lib Dems, with Jeremy Corbyn struggling along behind. A bad result for the Conservatives, so that's nice.
Yeah I looked at the time that post was made and the only outlets reporting those Exit poles where The Express and The Telegraph...
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That wasn't an exit poll. It's about the last polls taken before the vote.
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Not sure where's the correct place to muse on this, but this seems as good a place as any.
On Twitter I follow several TV news reporters and anchors, and over the past year or so it's felt very strange indeed reading their tweets.
The reason, I think, is that it's odd seeing them express opinions. TV news - at least TV news in the UK - tends to be apolitical and, as it should be, very matter-of-fact. Even investigative reporting, or reporting of events that reflect badly on a particular individual, group or political party, are generally reported neutrally.
I'm all for breaking down the fourth wall, and I understand that reporters are still human beings with opinions and feelings. I also understand that certain events, particularly political ones, are simply frustrating and people need an outlet to vent. But I'm wondering whether Twitter is necessarily the right medium for them to be expressing themselves, at least while they're in a position of mutual trust and understanding with people on all parts of the political spectrum.
Apart from anything, I wonder if it could harm their ability to do their job if a discussion on Twitter ends up alienating them from another party, to the extent said party won't submit for interviews in the line of work.
Unlike some I'm not convinced all "mainstream media" has an agenda, but on the off-chance individuals within the media do I wonder if it's better that it doesn't spill onto public discussion platforms.
On Twitter I follow several TV news reporters and anchors, and over the past year or so it's felt very strange indeed reading their tweets.
The reason, I think, is that it's odd seeing them express opinions. TV news - at least TV news in the UK - tends to be apolitical and, as it should be, very matter-of-fact. Even investigative reporting, or reporting of events that reflect badly on a particular individual, group or political party, are generally reported neutrally.
I'm all for breaking down the fourth wall, and I understand that reporters are still human beings with opinions and feelings. I also understand that certain events, particularly political ones, are simply frustrating and people need an outlet to vent. But I'm wondering whether Twitter is necessarily the right medium for them to be expressing themselves, at least while they're in a position of mutual trust and understanding with people on all parts of the political spectrum.
Apart from anything, I wonder if it could harm their ability to do their job if a discussion on Twitter ends up alienating them from another party, to the extent said party won't submit for interviews in the line of work.
Unlike some I'm not convinced all "mainstream media" has an agenda, but on the off-chance individuals within the media do I wonder if it's better that it doesn't spill onto public discussion platforms.
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Hearing a lot of people (associated with the Brexit Party I admit) saying that this is a clear win for Leave. I don't see how it is. The Leave vote has one party and the Remain vote is split between two parties with a clear policy on Brexit. And those two parties combined are about the same.
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@jake2013guy Ann Widdecombe summed it up pretty well, all the other parties are not a one policy choice, when you vote Green your voting for all sorts of things like climate change (plenty angry about that) so unless there was a 'The Stop Brexit Party' (I guess only the Lib Dem's could be considered one) who other people vote for cannot be solely labelled a 'Remain' vote. For that matter you could add the Conservatives, UKIP etc to the tally then because they are 'Leave'. As for Labour its still not even clear what they are.
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Of course, you can't assume all people support Brexit and those are the parties with a clear view on Brexit. If Brexit is a dealbreaker for somebody, they are unlikely to vote against their own intentions.
And if you use that point, saying there's a clear mandate for anything Brexit-related is nonsense since she admits there's no comparison.
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KEY POINTS
- Brexit has gripped British society for more than three years, splintering both the ruling Conservative Party and the opposition Labour party into warring factions since the country’s EU referendum in June 2016.
- The U.K. participated in European Parliamentary elections on Thursday after failing to leave the EU at the end of March.
- The European Parliament’s first estimate of the overall turnout in the elections was somewhere between 49% and 51%. That’s up from 43% in the 2014 election.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/27/eu-elections-britains-brexit-party-set-to-win-most-uk-seats.htmlNigel Farage, leader of the Brexit Party, reacts as he speaks to members of the media at a European Parliamentary elections count centre in Southampton, U.K., on Sunday, May 26, 2019.
Simon Dawson/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Britain’s newly-formed Brexit Party will comfortably beat the country’s two main parties in European Parliamentary elections, exit polls and early results showed Sunday, as voters expressed their frustration over the Brexit deadlock.
The projected result comes shortly after Conservative Party leader Theresa May announced her resignation as prime minister on Friday morning.
Brexit has gripped British society for more than three years, splintering both the ruling Conservative Party and the opposition Labour party into warring factions since the country’s EU referendum in June 2016.
The U.K. participated in European Parliamentary elections on Thursday after failing to leave the EU at the end of March. The exit polls are not necessarily an accurate indication of the result. A BBC projection shortly after 10 p.m. local time put the Brexit Party ahead.
Veteran euroskeptic campaigner Nigel Farage — who is credited by some with forcing Britain’s 2016 referendum on EU membership — launched his new party in April, after claiming the country’s political leaders had betrayed the vote to leave. Farage’s former party UKIP (The U.K. Independence Party) gained the most U.K. seats at the 2014 European Parliamentary election.
He has promised to challenge Britain’s political leadership and fast-track the country’s departure from the bloc.
The world’s fifth-largest economy is currently due to leave the EU in October, but with Parliament split over the terms of the country’s departure, it remains unclear how — or even if — it will.
Brexit Party ‘getting ready’ for a general election
“The Labour and Conservative parties could learn a big lesson from tonight but I don’t suppose that they actually will,” Farage said, shortly after the Brexit Party was seen winning the most U.K. seats.
“I have to say this, if we don’t leave on October 31, then the scores you’ve seen for the Brexit Party today will be repeated in a general election and we are getting ready for it,” he added.
On three occasions, U.K. lawmakers refused to vote in favor of May’s much-maligned deal to leave the EU. It means an orderly exit with a deal, a no-deal departure, a general election and a second referendum that could ultimately reverse the 2016 vote to leave the bloc all remain possible over the coming months.
Centrist bloc to lose majority
The European elections are widely seen as a test on national leaders across the 28 countries.
Initial results on Sunday evening suggested the EU Parliament’s established centrist bloc would most likely fail to gain a majority at this week’s election.
A strong showing for Liberal and Green parties in Germany and France, as well as robust performances from euroskeptic groups in Italy, Hungary and the U.K., is likely to mean the EU Parliament will be much more fragmented over the next five years.
Voter turnout has typically been one of the EU election’s biggest challenges. But, early indications show that figure has hit 50.5% this year, up from 43% in the 2014 election.
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I don't agree, the mandate couldn't be clearer because the Brexit Party was basically running solely in these elections as a one policy protest vote barometer that it topped. It's not about the comparison its about how many votes they got.
EDIT - Party victory speech,
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Brexit.
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To complete the sentence: Brexit, deal with it. Muddling no longer serves.
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Problem is who also knows whether that person who voted for the Green's for example is a leaver, remainer or just cares about climate change? You can't automatically label it as a remain vote as you can't with many of the other multi policy parties.
The only party with remain somewhat front and center were the Lib Dems and if people absolutely must compare, like for like they were beaten by nearly 2 million votes.
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Source this . How do you like it now UKMikey ?
European elections 2019: Brexit Party dominates as Tories and Labour suffer
Brexit 31.7%
Lib Dims 18.6%
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48417228
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Why call me out for a post I didn't write (and which was factually correct)?
According to this BBC commissioned independent analysis opinion is evenly split. And it's opinions we're polling, as much as who's going to govern.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-48402593
It sounds to me that only Leavers and foreign right wingers see this as a clear vote for Brexit but since they're scared of a second vote, we have no other way of gauging the public support for Remain that they're so eager to ignore.
Shafting the Irish by leaving without a border agreement would be much harder to "deal" with.
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Oh no mate, you’re behind the times! This isn’t the Middle Ages y’know! What we’ll do is have one of’em invisible boarders !
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While this is true, the Greens did have remaining in the EU as a key part of their manifesto. Not as black and white as the Brexit party being completely for one thing of course, but given Brexit/remain was essentially task number one for the UK for this particular election, it's fair to imagine green votes are analogous to remain votes.
This is very much a hunch, but it's hard to imagine many green voters wishing for Brexit anyway. As a very general rule, right-leaning parties more likely to vote for Brexit tend also to be anti- green issues, and left-leaning parties more likely to vote remain tend to be pro- green issues.
All that said... I don't think the "remain parties won more votes" attitude is that helpful in the first place. Even if they did, this is a pretty important result for anyone pro-Brexit. I'm not sure how many more times people can keep asking for a "people's vote" and it actually result in meaningful change, nor am I sure how long the "Brexiteers are racists and idiots" line can be repeated and it not spur even more of them on to go out and vote.
For what it's worth, I'm very much remain - but at some point the "them and us" rhetoric probably has to stop and sensible solutions to problems be found.
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How do you figure that one seeing as it was a simple question that didn't involve any parties at all.
I agree but I wouldn't necessarily say they are general rules, there was also a large amount of a Labour voters who voted to leave for example. It's not always clear cut on with left and right instantly meaning one thing or another particularly when it came to this issue which is why the referendum question was such a pure one that left other elements separate.
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The Green Party's leadership has credited its anti-Brexit stance with being responsible for their increased share of the vote. Any hypothetical Leavers who voted for it when there was a clear pro-Brexit alternative would've had to have been pretty foolish. Personally, I'd be interested to see some evidence that they exist in any kind of significant numbers.
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Indeed, remain’s voter base was split. I mean I was openly unsure of which anti-Brexit party to vote for and asked on this forum what people thought... it was a cluster ****
Only issue is that both the Tories and Labour are pro-Brexit... so this graph (and those similar) are gaming the numbers, to some extent
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Given that the anti-EU Brexit party votes have mostly migrated from the anti-EU UKIP party, which has been in the EUP since before the Brexit referendum, and since the Pro-EU Lib Dem party has replaced the divided Tory party, I'm not sure this result will change much, especially given that it's not the European parliament whose been ****ing up Brexit for the last two years anyway... it's been our own domestic clowns.
