Brexit - The UK leaves the EU
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I think (although it's hard to know which way is up right now) that another extension to our Leave date requires the agreement of the EU. So yes, Parliament could thwart no-deal but there would be a number of complex and unprecedented* steps required.
* Depending on the method of course, there is a precedence for all-out Civil War with a smattering of beheadings
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.. m'eh, bring it, I'm bored of the establishment.
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Parliament can only force the PM to request an extension to Article 50, but given that the PM has categorically stated he doesn't want that, and the EU have stated that they will only extend Article 50 further if it is to accommodate the passing of the Withdrawal Agreement (which the PM has now rejected outright), then the chances of an extension happening are nil.
That being the case, the only other way for No Deal to be averted would be for the UK Parliament to pass legislation of some description to force a revocation of Article 50... and there is nowhere near enough support in the Commons for that, nor is there enough time for that to happen even if there was enough support for it.
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Well, that is very disappointing. I thought the Parliament was your most powerful institution. Yet, when the existential chips are down, it is weak, frozen into inanition and thumb-sucking irrelevance, idly watching its entire nation walk the plank.
Can't Parliament block Boris from allowing no-deal to take place?
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Yeah I know it was the default but I kinda thought that because Parliament had voted against no-deal so many times, they'd be able to essentially call of brexit if no-deal became the situation we where in. But I guess not
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It would be funny if the EU changed position to say that they will extend article 50 if Parliament requests it on the basis Parliament doesn't want no-deal and is at odds with the Government on that, therefore time is needed to call and conduct a GE for a new Parliament and a new Government (not even mentioning a 2nd referendum, the GE will work as such). If both the EU and the UK's Parliament do a "bypass" on the UK's Government what will Boris do?
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If Johnson were to lose a vote of no confidence in September, Parliament would have 14 days to install a new Government and choose a new Prime Minister. But, if that failed* (and thus there was no new PM) then Johnson could remain as PM and, crucially, it would be up to him to decide the date of the General Election... all he would need to do then to deliver his No Deal Brexit would be to set the GE date after the 31st October.
I think this would guarantee No Deal as the EU cannot extend Article 50 without a request from the UK Government to do so.
If Johnson is still PM after Brexit and then there is an immediate GE, he could win big-time. Ironically, far from forcing Johnson out, the whole process could actually end up delivering Johnson a huge majority in the Commons (that he currently doesn't have).
* Even if it didn't fail, I reckon there would still need to be a General Election, otherwise the new PM could be brought down by a vote of no confidence immediately too. That being the case, Johnson could remain as party leader and then possibly be re-elected, possibly with a much bigger majority than he currently has!
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Why?
Wouldn’t he have a far better chance of winning a GE by large majority prior to Oct 31st?
If he has a GE now he can cash in on all those pro-Brexit party points. He can spear head leave as a full bird looney pm while labour and the Lib Dem’s split the core of remain vote with the rest of the remain vote going to various smaller parties.
If he has a GE after Brexit, the ********* of no-deal will be blamed on him by both pro-Brexiters and remainers
Or I guess;
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Yes, that's a distinct possibility - if Johnson is likely to face an election sooner or later, it is a question of when is most beneficial... and you could well be right that he is better to take the risk now rather than face an election after Brexit.
Like UKIP, Johnson could face the prospect of old supporters giving up on him because he's already fulfilled his function. After Brexit, he could well be a liability.
I reckon Johnson will call an election before Brexit, which will scupper the no confidence vote, and he will strike a deal with Farage. Meanwhile, the Brexit opposition will face a monumental task of deal-making to ensure that the anti-Brexit vote is not split - and I can't see that happening.
Unfortunately they aren't nut jobs; they are geed-driven, utterly selfish, morally bankrupt intelligent and well funded pieces of ****. They won't take responsibility for what they have done, but they will be handsomely rewarded. As the country burns they'll be safe earning 6-7 figures while their family lives abroad.
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That’d have too much value to realistically use.I was thinking perhaps we could start using these instead...
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I've got a bet place with my mum (who voted for brexit) that if we do leave the EU, within 10ish years or so we'll not only be back within the EU, but we'll also be using Euro's. I've got £50 riding on it...
Conjure away
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You mean, no-deal Brexit?
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The only things the UK Parliament can do is vote for the deal they have already voted against three times, even though that MEANS hard brexit, or they vote to retract Article 50. Voting not to allow hard brexit is, by definition, useless arse covering at best, and yes, that means no deal. One wonders why Corbyn hasn't brought forward that vote of no confidence. Oh I know why. He hasn't got a lead in the polls. Playing politics when the future of the country is at stake.
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Well, that was good enough for Dave and Theresa...
The current PM doesn't want the deal, Parliament doesn't want the deal... why would the deal suddenly get any support?
It looks more likely for Boris to call a snap GE and basically close Parliament on the build up to the cut-off, preventing them from doing anything, securing him a majority and getting the no-deal brexit his and his millionaire friends want.
The only hope we have of no-deal not happening, is Parliament suddenly going mental-kicking-off and somehow ejecting the PM through some bizarre law from the middle ages and the Queen riding through the lower house on the back of a lion mauling the Brexiters to death.
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Two things: there is literally no other time to play politics, and he isn't actually doing anything.
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One shred of good news is that, come a General Election, we will be rid of either Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn... or, with a bit of luck, both.
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