Britain - The Official Thread

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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
Famine
Yes, Boris simply isn't that stupid - and it's a dangerous thing to buy into that bumbling HIGNFY buffoon character as if he doesn't know what he's doing.

He's rarely caught with his pants down (except for that time it literally happened) and everything is a tactical move. Simply presiding over a catastrophic failure won't suit his needs - or else he wouldn't have let Gove shoot his bolt in 2016. I suspect we'll see one of two things next.

If Boris doesn't think he can achieve his aims, he'll withdraw from the leadership election safe in the knowledge he vanquished Gove for good. He'll then piss into Jeremy Hunt's tent right through to the next season-ending cliffhanger in Brexit.

Alternatively - and this is the one you're going to need a stiff drink for - he'll ride the no deal train, team up with Farage heading into a GE in September, deliver an absolute slaughter of Labour still vacillating on deal or no deal or new deal or referendum (to the point that they will cease existing as a political party) smash through 50% of votes cast, Hard Brexit, welcome BXP/UKIP back into the Conservative fold, be lauded as the saviour of the Tories from the low ebb of May, quit after three years with a peerage/knighthood and pass the reins on to Farage.
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And there are enough witless people in this country to fall for the second option, thinking they are doing the right thing for this great country of ours without realising they are subjecting the vast majority of us to years of potential misery whilst the establishment they so despise get even richer off our misery.

And all the while Corbyn and his fanatics sit on their hands thinking we'll just wait this out and be the white knight saviours when it all turns sour, without realising, as you say, this really could be the end for them. He and they have been the most woeful opposition I can remember.

@Dennisch As a nation we love a bumbling fool, particularly one with a posh accent, because we think, 'what harm can they really do?' Johnson's great trick has been to make a lot of people believe that's what he is, when the reality is he's a cold, calculating, cruel and ambitious politician who cares only about his career and little for the well being of the country as a whole. He's played the game very well, backing off at times when the heat gets too much and he lets other people take it. Then reappearing at the time it is most beneficial for his ambition. He's an absolute snake and I'm thoroughly ashamed we have got ourselves in to a position where he is likely to make it to the top job.

It's one of the big failings of democracy that such situations can come to pass but what fairer way is there?
 
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Famine
Alternatively - and this is the one you're going to need a stiff drink for - he'll ride the no deal train, team up with Farage heading into a GE in September, deliver an absolute slaughter of Labour still vacillating on deal or no deal or new deal or referendum (to the point that they will cease existing as a political party) smash through 50% of votes cast, Hard Brexit, welcome BXP/UKIP back into the Conservative fold, be lauded as the saviour of the Tories from the low ebb of May, quit after three years with a peerage/knighthood and pass the reins on to Farage.
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Scarily plausible.
 
Famine
Alternatively - and this is the one you're going to need a stiff drink for - he'll ride the no deal train, team up with Farage heading into a GE in September, deliver an absolute slaughter of Labour still vacillating on deal or no deal or new deal or referendum (to the point that they will cease existing as a political party) smash through 50% of votes cast, Hard Brexit, welcome BXP/UKIP back into the Conservative fold, be lauded as the saviour of the Tories from the low ebb of May, quit after three years with a peerage/knighthood and pass the reins on to Farage.
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A caller on LBC said he wanted to put money on there being a Johnson/Farage alliance in the not too distant future and I laughed at the time but looking into it more it doesn't sound so fanciful.

Farage has already kinda laid out his conditions for joining the Tories:

"...if Boris said we’re ditching this terrible treaty. It’s the worst deal in history, I made a terrible mistake in voting for it… we’re giving Europe notice, we’re leaving on the 31t of October on WTO terms… if Boris did that, and he was prepared to go to the House of Commons, to be voted down and lose a motion of confidence, to go to the country in a general election on that ticket and with the support of people like me he would win a massive, thumping majority."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ty-pact-boris-would-deliver-massive-majority/
 
Fun fact: As far as I'm aware, Allison Pearson is the only person to have blocked me on Twitter, after I asked her why she was inciting criminal damage against cars for simply existing.

Seems she has a track record of trying to incite crimes.
 
Famine
Fun fact: As far as I'm aware, Allison Pearson is the only person to have blocked me on Twitter, after I asked her why she was inciting criminal damage against cars for simply existing.

Seems she has a track record of trying to incite crimes.
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She also has such journalistic integrity that she got Telepgraph senior management to remove a column she had written titled, 'Why you wont see my daughter on The Voice.', when her daughter decided to audition for The Voice.

For the record my only block on twitter is BBC Sport Editor Dan Roan. He didn't take too kindly to me asking him why he only seems to turn up on camera to report on negative sport stories.
 
Jeremy Hunt is giving his opening speech at the Conservative Party hustings this afternoon, and opens with a joke about the internet campaign to find a slogan for his leadership campaign, poking fun at the numerous occasions on which his surname has been 'accidentally' said wrong, especially during his tenure as Culture secretary. He said, 'So far we've come up with "#TakeAPuntOnHunt, #JezzasTheBezza and #HuntyMcHuntface... just be very careful how you say that last one..."
 
Not very cleverly tweeted...

Meanwhile here are some views from Johnson's Uxbridge constituency courtesy of the local paper.

"I think he's a good guy. Apart from being a liar two times he's the only one who tells the truth." :ouch:

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It worked... it’s also surprising how little press the MP who physically assaulted a protester got, when compared with... say someone throwing a milkshake...
 
It made headlines yesterday and the MP in question has been suspended so I wouldn't say that's the case...
 
Is Britain damned by the terrible quality of her people and going down, down to the finish? Or is Britain an eternal concept which can never be rubbed out?
 
Dotini
Is Britain damned by the terrible quality of her people and going down, down to the finish? Or is Britain an eternal concept which can never be rubbed out?
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Like any cultural notion it's something lots of people lay a claim to without much consensus around what it actually is. In the centuries after the expansion of Anglia into Angland/England the people who most considered themselves British found themselves pushed to the fringes of a new social order. The more things change the more they stay the same.
 
Famine

Alternatively - and this is the one you're going to need a stiff drink for - he'll ride the no deal train, team up with Farage heading into a GE in September, deliver an absolute slaughter of Labour still vacillating on deal or no deal or new deal or referendum (to the point that they will cease existing as a political party) smash through 50% of votes cast, Hard Brexit, welcome BXP/UKIP back into the Conservative fold, be lauded as the saviour of the Tories from the low ebb of May, quit after three years with a peerage/knighthood and pass the reins on to Farage.
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If this happens I am moving to Germany or somewhere.
 
So Farage is campaigning on removing interest from student loans in advance of a snap general election. I've mixed views on the principle of it but it's a big swing towards making a stand for control of the country, rather than just the single issue of Brexit.
 
MatskiMonk
So Farage is campaigning on removing interest from student loans in advance of a snap general election. I've mixed views on the principle of it but it's a big swing towards making a stand for control of the country, rather than just the single issue of Brexit.
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In touch enough to realise a bag of votes are on the table from politically confused graduates without meaningful lives.

Scary(?)
 
baldgye
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There's a ton of 'em around my age that aren't particularly fond of say, the lib dems, and labour is, well... current labour. I fall in that bracket but don't see myself ever voting Tory/BP/Apartheid or whatever they choose to rebrand themselves as, bailout or not.

Original student loan deal I had (full fat 9k cameron fees) isn't even that bad considering i have never paid a penny of it back and probably never will. But there are plenty of people who see their massive debt and lack of job prospects as something of a sword of Damocles.
 
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