Britain - The Official Thread

[baldgye]

There's a ton of 'em around my age...

...so do you qualify for having a 'meaningful life' ?

 

[MaxAttack]

...so do you qualify for having a 'meaningful life' ?

Not as much I'd like it to be. Maybe meaningful is a word too far - fulfilled is closer to what I mean. Can't blame my own shortcomings on politics, though. I know where I messed up in life.

 

[baldgye]

This is how we are at least partly represented in Europe... shameful

 

[MatskiMonk]

Clearly not Beethoven fans.

 

[MaxAttack]

This is how we are at least partly represented in Europe... shameful

All parliaments are Chimpanzee enclosures. The playground atmosphere of ours has always been unsettling to me. I can't watch live parliament. What twits.

 

[UKMikey]

Backgammon? This is bound to end well.

 

[MaxAttack]

Backgammon? This is bound to end well.

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0-Godwin's Law in 2.3 seconds... Impressive

 

[Liquid]

0-Godwin's Law in 2.3 seconds... Impressive

Godwin's Law doesn't apply if the comparison is appropriate and valid; it is, however, commonly invoked and abused to denounce every comparison to Nazis or argument as hyperbole.

That said, I hadn't ever seen that image of the NSDAP members turning their back on the Reichstag and I would like to know more about it.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Godwin's Law doesn't apply if the comparison is appropriate and valid; it is, however, commonly invoked and abused to denounce every comparison to Nazis or argument as hyperbole.

That said, I hadn't ever seen that image of the NSDAP members turning their back on the Reichstag and I would like to know more about it.

https://www.alamy.com/during-the-sp...person-sitting-behind-him-image247148463.html

 

[Famine]

It's a pretty common style of protest, and I'm fairly sure that the Londoners who turned their backs on Xi Jinping during his visit were not invoking the spirit of Hitler.

 

[Liquid]

It's a pretty common style of protest, and I'm fairly sure that the Londoners who turned their backs on Xi Jinping during his visit were not invoking the spirit of Hitler.

Very true and it also occurs at some football grounds not as a form of protest. I suppose the main comparison between those two images specifically is them taking place in a legislative chamber.

Wonder how long until we get a a spontaneous rendition of The Red Flag and Michael Heseltine swinging the mace.

 

[MaxAttack]

Godwin's Law doesn't apply if the comparison is appropriate and valid; it is, however, commonly invoked and abused to denounce every comparison to Nazis or argument as hyperbole.

That said, I hadn't ever seen that image of the NSDAP members turning their back on the Reichstag and I would like to know more about it.

The warning within Godwin's Law is that even a valid comparison to the Nazis weakens the argument because the Nazis did an awful lot of nasty stuff, much of it beyond the capabilities even of a modern western government, and so the people who might defend the party being compared to the Nazis are gifted the perfectly valid arguments "Well, the Brexit Party aren't racist, they aren't militaristic, they don't want to put people in death camps" etc etc and one instantly has to concede that the comparison is weak.

 

[UKMikey]

The warning within Godwin's Law is that even a valid comparison to the Nazis weakens the argument because the Nazis did an awful lot of nasty stuff, much of it beyond the capabilities even of a modern western government, and so the people who might defend the party being compared to the Nazis are gifted the perfectly valid arguments "Well, the Brexit Party aren't racist, they aren't militaristic, they don't want to put people in death camps" etc etc and one instantly has to concede that the comparison is weak.

All Godwin's Law says is that the longer and more heated an internet debate becomes, the more likely somebody is to drop a comparison to Hitler.

No validation or invalidation is included. There's a visual comparison between the Reichstag protest and the scene in the Parliament building. To invoke the absence of pencil moustaches and brown shirts is missing the point of the joke somewhat. Given the behaviour of Brexit MEPs in the past I'd be surprised if they wouldn't just laugh off such a comparison themselves.

Some Brexiteers are making comparisons online to the Lib Dem's "Bollocks To Brexit" slogan but let's face it, it's not a very Hitlery move.

 

[MaxAttack]

All Godwin's Law says is that the longer and more heated an internet debate becomes, the more likely somebody is to drop a comparison to Hitler.

No validation or invalidation is included. There's a visual comparison between the Reichstag protest and the scene in the Parliament building. To invoke the absence of pencil moustaches and brown shirts is missing the point of the joke somewhat. Given the behaviour of Brexit MEPs in the past I'd be surprised if they wouldn't just laugh off such a comparison themselves.

Some Brexiteers are making comparisons online to the Lib Dem's "Bollocks To Brexit" slogan but let's face it, it's not a very Hitlery move.

I'm not trying to invalidate your comparison - the pictures speak for themselves. It merely made me chuckle that Godwin's Law had technically been invoked so quickly, even before there was a discussion. I didn't mean it out of disagreement if that makes sense.

Snappy, repetitive slogan with a firm political agenda, printed on posters and repeated in speeches to stick in the minds of the public? I disagree. Route one Hitler/Goebbels move

 

[MatskiMonk]

"Bollocks to Judaism", the latest line from Hugo Boss, inspired by Joseph Goebbels...

 

[baldgye]

"Bollocks to Judaism", the latest line from Hugo Boss, inspired by Joseph Goebbels...

I believe that’s already part of Labours manifesto...

 

[TenEightyOne]

The warning within Godwin's Law is that even a valid comparison to the Nazis weakens the argument because the Nazis did an awful lot of nasty stuff, much of it beyond the capabilities even of a modern western government, and so the people who might defend the party being compared to the Nazis are gifted the perfectly valid arguments

No, that is not what Godwin's Law says. If you've inferred that then that's fine, but it isn't what it says. Can I point out that revisionist reinterpretation of established texts is exactly the sort of thing that Goebbels liked?

I believe that’s already part of Labours manifesto...

That's why only half of them are doing it, while Corbyn agrees that he hates and loves Jews all at once.

 

[UKMikey]

No, that is not what Godwin's Law says. If you've inferred that then that's fine, but it isn't what it says. Can I point out that revisionist reinterpretation of established texts is exactly the sort of thing that Goebbels liked?

You paint a pretty picture @Ten... you know who also used to paint pictures? Adolf Hitler!

 

[MaxAttack]

No, that is not what Godwin's Law says. If you've inferred that then that's fine, but it isn't what it says. Can I point out that revisionist reinterpretation of established texts is exactly the sort of thing that Goebbels liked?

Aye, agreed, when I said "the warning within Godwin's law" I meant that's a warning I take from it. Any Nazi-esque regime that actually wants to come to power in Europe probably has a fair amount of "look we're not Nazis-ing" to do to achieve it.

Can I point out that Hitler loved Mercedes Grand Prix cars? Bottas is rather Aryan, don't you think?

 

[Hun200kmh]

Finns aren't aryan. Of the two current drivers I guess Hamilton, being half brit and therefore of saxon ancestry, is the most aryan there.

 

[MaxAttack]

Finns aren't aryan. Of the two current drivers I guess Hamilton, being half brit and therefore of saxon ancestry, is the most aryan there.

Not Kevin Magnussen?

EDIT: read as of the current drivers, missed the two.

Finns aren't Aryan? Racists are picky.

 

[Liquid]

Finns aren't Aryan? Racists are picky.

Finland fought against Germany in WW2. Bottas would not be a favoured party son and Rosberg, being born of Finnish parentage, would have to hide his ancestry.

This is a weird conversation, even by GTP standards.

 

[MaxAttack]

Finland fought against Germany in WW2. Bottas would not be a favoured party son and Rosberg, being born of Finnish parentage, would have to hide his ancestry.

This is a weird conversation, even by GTP standards.

National Socialism: because Finns don't have blue eyes and blond hair, but the Japanese do.

I never knew Finns were declared non-Aryan. Nazi Germany put a lot of effort into buddying up with Finland even before the Winter War, after all.

And yes, odd topic for sure, but nice that dividing drivers by race can be a novelty instead of a reality.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Finns aren't Aryan? Racists are picky.

Indeed. Much was made of whether or not Finnish forebears were purely of the volkswanderung, the decision was that they weren't.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Hey, have I been called a racist? In my defense I have to say I have nothing against aryans

 

[Dotini]

Indeed. Much was made of whether or not Finnish forebears were purely of the volkswanderung, the decision was that they weren't.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their something of a puzzle with regard to the origins of the Finns? Something to do with the Urals?

 

[Tired Tyres]

Finland fought against Germany in WW2. Bottas would not be a favoured party son and Rosberg, being born of Finnish parentage, would have to hide his ancestry.

This is a weird conversation, even by GTP standards.

You living in an alternative world? Finland fought on the side of the Germans in Russia. They didn't go any further than regain the land they'd lost to the russians though if I recall.

 

[Liquid]

You living in an alternative world? Finland fought on the side of the Germans in Russia. They didn't go any further than regain the land they'd lost to the russians though if I recall.

Yes, you're right. Total brain fade on my part. I misremembered them fighting with Evil Group A against Evil Group B.

So I change my stance; Bottas and especially Rosberg would be favoured party sons.

 

[TenEightyOne]

So I change my stance; Bottas and especially Rosberg would be favoured party sons.

Didn't help them to be classified as Aryan though, seeing as we're still on this aside

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their something of a puzzle with regard to the origins of the Finns? Something to do with the Urals?

To an extent, I think you've covered it in the past.

 

[PeterJB]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their something of a puzzle with regard to the origins of the Finns? Something to do with the Urals?

Like Estonian and Hungarian the language is Finno-Uralic rather than Indo-European which would suggest they originate from Russia.

Yes, you're right. Total brain fade on my part. I misremembered them fighting with Evil Group A against Evil Group B.

So I change my stance; Bottas and especially Rosberg would be favoured party sons.

Since no-one's done it yet I'm gonna list the 2019 grid in order of Hitler's racial approval:

Vettel - ethnic German
Huelkenberg - ethnic German
Verstappen - ethnic Dutch "honorary Aryan"
Magnussen - Scandinavian "honorary Aryan"
Norris - British "honorary Aryan"
Russell - British "honorary Aryan"
Stroll - Canadian, presumably of British descent, therefore "honorary Aryan"
Grosjean - half Swiss half French, with an ancestor called "Brandt" suggesting some German heritage
Gasly - French
Leclerc - Monegasque, possible Mediterranean descent
Raikkonen - Finn
Bottas - Finn
Ricciardo - Australian of Mediterranean descent
Giovinazzi - Italian - Mediterranean descent
Sainz - Hispanic
Perez - Hispanic
Kyvat - Slav
Kubica - Slav
Albon - mixed race - half British, half Thai
Hamilton - mixed race - half British, half West Indies