Britain - The Official Thread
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Glad to see the Tories are taking their local election campaigns seriously...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-56724875
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HenrySwanson
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Personally I approve of this candidate: https://laurencefox.org/
(He has some interesting policy ideas actually)
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HenrySwanson
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Anyone who gets rid of these bloody LTNs has got mine
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Anyone who builds more of them has got mine. So we may as well just cancel each other out and not vote. ;-)
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HenrySwanson
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The camel is crippled, its back has been broken so many times.
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It'd be ironic if this were another groundless stitch-up courtesy of the imps at play at the Daily Mail.
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Distinctly in trouble, if the Ipsos poll for the Evening Standard is accurate - 5% drop for Tories. And that's from before Cummings did his hit-piece.
So who's next for the job? Hope they like the decor...
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I don't think it is. Reportedly, several well-placed sources for the BBC and ITV are confirming that Johnson did say this, albeit in frustration/anger at the prospect of having no choice but to impose another lockdown.
The BBC would not run the headline stating that Johnson said this without very strong evidence that it was true - the Daily Mail not so much.
What is disturbing is that Johnson ultimately held the power to impose lockdowns, and this comment - should it be confirmed to be true - alludes to the fact that he was willing to let large numbers of people die before imposing lockdown.
The irony is that many of the countries that have the lowest death tolls are the ones that have had to lockdown the least. Lockdowns are necessary, but are arguably only required when everything else has failed. As such, the UK (and many others besides) end up with more deaths and more lockdowns than countries who had planned and executed their plans better. I hesitate to use the phrase 'worst of both worlds' as the UK's response and outcomes have been nowhere near as bad as they could have been with even worse leadership, and we have at least succeeded in two of the most important goals - keeping the NHS from being overwhelmed, and quickly rolling out vaccines.
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I'm inclined to believe it, although we don't seem to have an exact quote, nor much context. Apparently something like "let the bodies plie high rather than have a third lockdown", having just agreed to the second lockdown. Which leaves a fairly predictable route out of it - said in frustration, not remembered because it wasn't at all representative of his decision process.
But then one has to consider the run up to the third lockdown, and that was a shambles of ignored data and broken promises about having christmas for a great number of people. A return to the failure of tiers. So many objectively bad decisions made (not dependant on hindsight to see them, although with hindsight one might suspect he was more focused on getting people to spend for xmas than to actually have it).
And we have to wonder, why are all these stories breaking now, six months on? Local elections coming up. Seemingly most of the hard pandemic decisions behind us with only glorious recovery ahead (maybe). Smells like someone fancies themselves as leader?
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Let's see Toby Earle attacked for something he did or didn't do for four days straight in every available media outlet, and see how he feels.
I'd rather someone get this animated about something than the dull piece of 2x4 sat opposite him with the warmth, charm and wit of dead ferret holding a sign saying 'whatever he says, I'm for the opposite'.
I'd rather someone get this animated about something than the dull piece of 2x4 sat opposite him with the warmth, charm and wit of dead ferret holding a sign saying 'whatever he says, I'm for the opposite'.
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His true colours showing. He's is obviously adopting the Trumpian tactic of doubling down, even when he is clearly in the wrong.
He can't handle Keir Starmer... week in, week out, Starmer makes Johnson look like the pathetic liar he really is, and he is buckling under the pressure of Starmer's constant, skilful but measured (and entirely justified) attacks.
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Well, he is leader of the opposition.
'Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.'
'No it isn't.'
