Britain - The Official Thread

[HenrySwanson]

London having a bad week (WARNING, there is a video in the article showing a stabbing)

Shooting too

 

[Novalee]

Seems wild this was never taught in schools . The U.K. and Canada were both involved.

https://medium.com/exploring-history/canadas-forgotten-child-labourers-7ba7f670be79

No study of Canada’s labor history is complete without a thorough examination of the phenomenon known as “Home Children”. From the end of the Industrial Revolution to 1948, Canada received over 100,000 child laborers and domestics from the UK.

 

[UKMikey]

Seems wild this was never taught in schools . The U.K. and Canada were both involved.

https://medium.com/exploring-history/canadas-forgotten-child-labourers-7ba7f670be79

No study of Canada’s labor history is complete without a thorough examination of the phenomenon known as “Home Children”. From the end of the Industrial Revolution to 1948, Canada received over 100,000 child laborers and domestics from the UK.

This is bad but at least the UK said sorry. Canada never did. Maybe this should be on the Canada thread.

 

[Novalee]

This is bad but at least the UK said sorry. Canada never did. Maybe this should be on the Canada thread.

Why ? The kids came from U.K. were rounded up in U.K. by the U.k.

First nations from Kamloops know Queen Elizabeth and her dead hubby visited a residential school and took ten first nation kids never to be seen again .

Seems to me the U.k. has a long history of stealing , abusing , killing kids .

Most the monsters that ran the residential schools came directly from ,you guessed it , the U.K.

 

[Famine]

We also know Queen Elizabeth and her dead hubby visited a residential school and took ten first nation kids never to be seen again .

First I've ever heard of it - and there seems to be a good reason for that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-missing-children-canada-idUSL1N2LM0VL

 

[UKMikey]

Why ? The kids came from U.K. were rounded up in U.K. by the U.k.

We also know Queen Elizabeth and her dead hubby visited a residential school and took ten first nation kids never to be seen again .

Seems to me the U.k. has a long history of stealing , abusing , killing kids .

Most the monsters that ran the residential schools came directly from ,you guessed it , the U.K.

Why? Because it happened in Canada. Britain may be to blame but it's Canadian history, not UK history. Canada is equally to blame.

When Russia sends spies to kill Russians in the UK it ends up here, not on the ex-USSR thread. If everything that Britain did abroad was only discussed in the Britain thread it'd be about five times the size. It's a geographical distinction and shouldn't be determined by blame.

You'd get more productive discussion in the thread of the country in which it happened since the UK government has already apologised and promised not to keep doing it. Blame Britain all you like, but I think you should do it in the Canada thread.

 

[Novalee]

First I've ever heard of it - and there seems to be a good reason for that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-missing-children-canada-idUSL1N2LM0VL

You would be better off using The Onion for facts than Reuters .

 

[TexRex]

You would be better off using The Onion for facts than Reuters .

Translation:

 

[Novalee]

Why? Because it happened in Canada. Britain may be to blame but it's Canadian history, not UK history. Canada is equally to blame.

When Russia sends spies to kill Russians in the UK it ends up here, not on the ex-USSR thread. If everything that Britain did abroad was only discussed in the Britain thread it'd be about five times the size. It's a geographical distinction and shouldn't be determined by blame.

You'd get more productive discussion in the thread of the country in which it happened since the UK government has already apologised and promised not to keep doing it. Blame Britain all you like, but I think you should do it in the Canada thread.

It started in the U.k. and like the Queen kidnapping ten first nation kids from Kamloops , it should be discussed in the forum where it was started. The U.K.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/disco...e-children-1869-1930/Pages/home-children.aspx

Home Children was the child migration scheme founded by Annie MacPherson in 1869, under which more than 100,000 children were sent from the United Kingdom to Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa.

The common link in all this is the U.K.

Translation:

Nope , i already know it happened since i live in one of the countries that received the child slaves.
Our country has accepted it happened but havnt apologized for following the U.k.

 

[Famine]

You would be better off using The Onion for facts than Reuters .

Sure thing, but where exactly is your evidence that it happened given that you've now stated it three times?

Edit: The "international common law court of justice" cited in all versions of the story seems to be a "one-man blog that pretends to be a tribunal established to enforce common law" ("common law" in this instance referring to the thing that freemen on the land think means they're not subject to regular law), and it's done this sort of thing before:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hunting-license/


You've been hoodwinked into believing in something by the sort of people who refuse to recognise their birth names because it connects their physical self with their statutory law persona.

 

[TexRex]

Nope , i already know it happened since i live in one of the countries that received the child slaves.

That you purport to know something isn't nearly as substantive as how you've come to know something, and where you reside means exactly nothing in intellectual debate. What you've provided is anecdotal evidence without the evidence, which is worthless.

 

[UKMikey]

It started in the U.k. and like the Queen kidnapping ten first nation kids from Kamloops , it should be discussed in the forum where it was started. The U.K.

Why?

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/disco...e-children-1869-1930/Pages/home-children.

This is a Canadian link. It's not on a British website.

What all do you think is going to get resolved on the British thread? You might as well move all the Trump related discussion to the ex-USSR thread by that reasoning. Not sure what else Britain can do in this case other than apologise since the person responsible is long dead.

 

[Novalee]

Why?


This is a Canadian link. It's not on a British website.

What all do you think is going to get resolved on the British thread? You might as well move all the Trump related discussion to the ex-USSR thread by that reasoning.

Did you not read my first sentance in my first post on this subject ? It clearly states why i even posted it in the first place .

If i wanted to learn more on why people in the U.k. had a thing for dealing in child slave labour around the world for profit i should study Canada ?

To me that would be a deflection .

 

[TexRex]

To me that would be a deflection .

An odd assertion coming from an individual doubling down on refusing to provide evidence substantiating a bold claim.

 

[Novalee]

That you purport to know something isn't nearly as substantive as how you've come to know something, and where you reside means exactly nothing in intellectual debate. What you've provided is anecdotal evidence without the evidence, which is worthless.

How is living relatives of these kids not evidence ? Seems to be well documented
"Louisa Birt was the sister of Annie Macpherson, both of whom worked with destitute children. Mrs. Birt became the head of the Liverpool Sheltering Home in 1873, the same year in which she started sending children to Canada.

From 1873 to 1876, approximately 550 Birt children were placed in homes in Nova Scotia by Colonel James Wimburn Laurie.

Annie Macpherson no longer needed her receiving and distribution home in Knowlton, Quebec, so Mrs. Birt began using the Knowlton Home in 1877."

An odd assertion coming from an individual doubling down on refusing to provide evidence substantiating a bold claim.

Even more odd is people who think they know everything .

A small collection of records of Louisa Birt (920 BIR, 1892-1899) is held at the Liverpool Record Office. That collection includes papers relating to the following children:
Edith Barker, George Fisher, George Eaton, Mildred Cade, Jessie Roberts, Sarah Jones and her children. Contact the Liverpool Record Office for information about how to access the records.

So explain how them british kids ended up in Canada , New Zealand , Australia that in most cases ended up working as slaves .

Sure thing, but where exactly is your evidence that it happened given that you've now stated it three times?

Edit: The "international common law court of justice" cited in all versions of the story seems to be a "one-man blog that pretends to be a tribunal established to enforce common law" ("common law" in this instance referring to the thing that freemen on the land think means they're not subject to regular law), and it's done this sort of thing before:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hunting-license/


You've been hoodwinked into believing in something by the sort of people who refuse to recognise their birth names because it connects their physical self with their statutory law persona.

Well one thing i give the British credit for is keeping records , it is documented in your country .

 

[Famine]

Well one thing i give the British credit for is keeping records , it is documented in your country .

Where?

You've claimed it three times. Provide the evidence. Your claim, your onus of proof.

 

[Novalee]

Where?

You've claimed it three times. Provide the evidence. Your claim, your onus of proof.

I did in my reply to Tex, not every kid suffered slave labour , but many did and i didnt know about it until about ten minutes before i posted .

I was shocked i never learned about it in school and i thought some people in U.K. might have more information since it all started there.
It seems i thought wrong .

 

[UKMikey]

Did you not read my first sentance in my first post on this subject ? It clearly states why i even posted it in the first place .

The sentence which says the UK and Canada are equally to blame for a crime which occurred in Canada?

How is living relatives of these kids not evidence ? Seems to be well documented
"Louisa Birt was the sister of Annie Macpherson, both of whom worked with destitute children. Mrs. Birt became the head of the Liverpool Sheltering Home in 1873, the same year in which she started sending children to Canada.

From 1873 to 1876, approximately 550 Birt children were placed in homes in Nova Scotia by Colonel James Wimburn Laurie.

Annie Macpherson no longer needed her receiving and distribution home in Knowlton, Quebec, so Mrs. Birt began using the Knowlton Home in 1877."

Sounds like the Queen and Prince Philip have been around longer than I thought.

I was shocked i never learned about it in school and i thought some people in U.K. might have more information since it all started there.
It seems i thought wrong .

Do you think they teach it in school over here?

 

[Novalee]

The sentence which says the UK and Canada are equally to blame for a crime which occurred in Canada?

Sounds like the Queen and Prince Philip have been around longer than I thought.

Do you think they teach it in school over here?

How would i know ? I never went to school in U.k.

It was Started in the U.K. by a citizen of U.K.

Queen and King Visited The residential school in 1960's

Heres Australias take on it .

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...y/Publications_Archive/archive/ChildMigrantUK

 

[Famine]

I did in my reply to Tex, not every kid suffered slave labour , but many did and i didnt know about it until about ten minutes before i posted .

I was shocked i never learned about it in school and i thought some people in U.K. might have more information since it all started there.
It seems i thought wrong .

No, you're conflating two things now - and I don't know why.

You have claimed three times that the Queen and Prince Philip kidnapped ten First Nation children from a residential school in Canada. I showed you two separate pieces of evidence that this was made up - one direct, and one showing that the primary source for this claim has significant form in making stuff up and is in fact a self-appointed custodian of "common law" as spouted by Freemen on the Land.

Provide the evidence you have that the Queen and Prince Philip kidnapped ten First Nation children from a residential school in Canada.


The main theme, about "Home Children", isn't taught in schools but is pretty wide knowledge.

 

[Novalee]

No, you're conflating two things now - and I don't know why.

You have claimed three times that the Queen and Prince Philip kidnapped ten First Nation children from a residential school in Canada. I showed you two separate pieces of evidence that this was made up - one direct, and one showing that the primary source for this claim has significant form in making stuff up and is in fact a self-appointed custodian of "common law" as spouted by Freemen on the Land.

Provide the evidence you have that the Queen and Prince Philip kidnapped ten First Nation children from a residential school in Canada.


The main theme, about "Home Children", isn't taught in schools but is pretty wide knowledge.

I did not realize you were talking about the kids from the residential schools .


My proof is the same people that said there is buried children on the school yard of the Kamloops , who went to that school and were their that day , told me to my face that is what happened on that day .
Well turns out they hired a expert in ground penetrating radar , and have found 215 unmarked graves .
I live not far from the site and worked with some of the survivors of that school .

The families of the missing should be proof enough .

 

[Famine]

I did not realize you were talking about the kids from the residential schools .

My proof is the same people that said there is buried children on the school yard of the Kamloops , who went to that school and were their that day , told me to my face that is what happened on that day .

They... told you to your face that Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip went to a school in Kamloops and took ten kids away?

When did any of this happen?

Well turns out they hired a expert in ground penetrating radar , and have found 215 unmarked graves .
I live not far from the site and worked with some of the survivors of that school .

The families of the missing should be proof enough .

Again, you're conflating two different things. The news story about the mass graves of the First Nation kids at the school is not the claim that the Queen and Prince Philip kidnapped ten kids who were never heard from again.

I am literally only talking about the Queen/Prince Philip claim which you've made without any evidence or sources, and which every source other than Kevin Annett's blog says is a made-up claim from a man with a history of making up claims (about royalty in general).

 

[TexRex]

How is living relatives of these kids not evidence ? Seems to be well documented
"Louisa Birt was the sister of Annie Macpherson, both of whom worked with destitute children. Mrs. Birt became the head of the Liverpool Sheltering Home in 1873, the same year in which she started sending children to Canada.

From 1873 to 1876, approximately 550 Birt children were placed in homes in Nova Scotia by Colonel James Wimburn Laurie.

Annie Macpherson no longer needed her receiving and distribution home in Knowlton, Quebec, so Mrs. Birt began using the Knowlton Home in 1877."

How is it?

Also, none of that actually substantiates the claim you presented as fact.

Even more odd is people who think they know everything .

Who thinks this? I sure as **** don't, but that you've made such an assertion in response to my remarks suggests you think I do.

Maybe ease up on the strawmen and personal attacks, peanut.

Also, none of that actually substantiates the claim you presented as fact.

A small collection of records of Louisa Birt (920 BIR, 1892-1899) is held at the Liverpool Record Office. That collection includes papers relating to the following children:
Edith Barker, George Fisher, George Eaton, Mildred Cade, Jessie Roberts, Sarah Jones and her children. Contact the Liverpool Record Office for information about how to access the records.

So explain how them british kids ended up in Canada , New Zealand , Australia that in most cases ended up working as slaves .

Why would I venture such a thing? I don't have a dog in that particular race.

What piqued my interest was your unwillingness to substantiate a bold claim and your readiness to disregard contradicting claims without providing reasonable justification for doing so. The gif I originally posted was in response to the latter.

Also, none of that actually substantiates the claim you presented as fact.

 

[Novalee]

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They... told you to your face that Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip went to a school in Kamloops and took ten kids away?

When did any of this happen?

Again, you're conflating two different things. The news story about the mass graves of the First Nation kids at the school is not the claim that the Queen and Prince Philip kidnapped ten kids who were never heard from again.

I am literally only talking about the Queen/Prince Philip claim which you've made without any evidence or sources, and which every source other than Kevin Annett's blog says is a made-up claim from a man with a history of making up claims (about royalty in general).

Yes , i live in kamloops , i never heard of any blogs or claims on the internet talking about this until i looked at the reuters article.

i heard the claim from people in kamloops that went to that school .
The Queen and King were in Kamloops in 1959 . The fact that some person claimed something happened in 1964 doesnt mean anything when people who went to that school say otherwise and is where i heard about it to begin with .

We both know it will never be investigated and really determined what happened to the missing kids

Some families will never get to know what happened . I just find that sad being a parent myself .

How is it?

Also, none of that actually substantiates the claim you presented as fact.


Who thinks this? I sure as **** don't, but that you've made such an assertion in response to my remarks suggests you think I do.

Maybe ease up on the strawmen and personal attacks, peanut.

Also, none of that actually substantiates the claim you presented as fact.


Why would I venture such a thing? I don't have a dog in that particular race.

What piqued my interest was your unwillingness to substantiate a bold claim and your readiness to disregard contradicting claims without providing reasonable justification for doing so. The gif I originally posted was in response to the latter.

Also, none of that actually substantiates the claim you presented as fact.

Well how can there even be a rebuttal to that ? Its like being back in school again . Am i also taking a letter home to my 80 year old parents ?

 

[Famine]

Yes , i live in kamloops , i never heard of any blogs or claims on the internet talking about this until i looked at the reuters article.

i heard the claim from people in kamloops that went to that school .

And people telling you things is enough for you to cement it as factual, rather than doing even an iota of checking?

When did this happen according to the people who were actually there at the time? What were the kids' names according to the people who were actually there at the time? How do you have no basic information on this thing you are sure is true?

The Queen and King were in Kamloops in 1959 . The fact that some person claimed something happened in 1964 doesnt mean anything when people who went to that school say otherwise and is where i heard about it to begin with .

There isn't, and wasn't, a King.

Just to check I've got this all straight, your claim that the Queen and Prince Philip abducted ten children from a residential school in Kamloops at some point as related to you by someone is totally unrelated to the debunked claim from the freeman on the land blog of Kevin Annett that the Queen and Prince Philip abducted ten children from a residential school in Kamloops in October 1964 (when they weren't there)?

We both know it will never be investigated and really determined what happened to the missing kids

The missing kids who appear to have been invented by a conspiracist and worked backwards into a false narrative that's been fed for you to parrot back with absolutely no checking.


I put it to you that it'll never be investigated because it never happened.

 

[TexRex]

Well how can there even be a rebuttal to that ? Its like being back in school again . Am i also taking a letter home to my 80 year old parents ?

...

What?

 

[Novalee]

And people telling you things is enough for you to cement it as factual, rather than doing even an iota of checking?

When did this happen according to the people who were actually there at the time? What were the kids' names according to the people who were actually there at the time? How do you have no basic information on this thing you are sure is true?

There isn't, and wasn't, a King.

Just to check I've got this all straight, your claim that the Queen and Prince Philip abducted ten children from a residential school in Kamloops at some point as related to you by someone is totally unrelated to the debunked claim from the freeman on the land blog of Kevin Annett that the Queen and Prince Philip abducted ten children from a residential school in Kamloops in October 1964 (when they weren't there)?

The missing kids who appear to have been invented by a conspiracist and worked backwards into a false narrative that's been fed for you to parrot back with absolutely no checking.


I put it to you that it'll never be investigated because it never happened.

Okay if you say so .

...

What?

Well you are so much more smarter than me i dont have a rebuttal .

 

[TexRex]

Well you are so much more smarter than me i dont have a rebuttal .

What?

You're deflecting from and strawmanning the crap out of my responses to you, and now you're playing the victim.

Be better. Engage in meaningful discussion. Otherwise, what the **** are you even doing here?

 

[Famine]

Okay if you say so .

Not bothering to answer a single question then. Can't imagine why.

You're making the exact same claim as one proposed by a conspiracy theorist and lunatic (all freemen on the land are lunatics), but for whatever reason you're pretending it's not the exact same claim. Of course, you may well have got it from some un-named people who told you the claim to your face as you say, but given that it is the exact same claim as one which is clearly false, you should be asking yourself why it tallies so perfectly with the false claim and asking where they got it from.

Seems to me as simple as the usual attention-seeking act; they want to be important, so they pretend to be part of the thing they heard, but couldn't be arsed checking on.

And you heard it and couldn't be arsed checking on it, now you're presenting it as true despite being demonstrably false.

If your own personal level of something being true or false is "a guy told me", you're going to get scammed a lot. Set the bar higher. Ask questions - like what were the names of these kids, and when did it happen.

Well you are so much more smarter than me i dont have a rebuttal .

Being smart has nothing to do with being able to rebut something. Rebuttals are as simple as having evidence. That's what a rebuttal is - proving something to be untrue with evidence.

Which you don't have, otherwise you'd not be claiming something without any evidence for it.

 

[TexRex]

@Famine we're definitely overlapping now and you've got a handle on this, so I'll drop out barring anything substantive and save you having to merge posts.