Britain - The Official Thread

[Scaff]

Prior to presenter Kate McCann's collapse, both Sunak and Truss did a somewhat masterful job of savaging the track record of the previous Government and explained why their change of direction is required.... hang on, wait a minute....

"Boris did his best, something, something, mumble, at least it wasn't Corbyn, froth, froth, Brexit's great, it's just the French/Germans/Spanish punishing us, empire, Churchill, mumble, bulldog, froth some more, just like '76, etc."

Gammon justifying why its perfectly fine for the Tories to **** thing up and then act like they've been in opposition rather than the ones actively doing the ****ing.

 

[Liquid]

"We've been in power for 12 years and everything is terrible so please keep voting for us"

Amazing.

 

[Dotini]

If your assessment of Truss is "unyielding", I can't find the words to describe your complete lack of knowledge about British politics. This flip-flopping imp in a skinsuit can't even decide what politics she grew up under. She froths for war like an Austro-Hungarian minor noble in 1913. She's spent enough time cosplaying as Thatcher in her time as a Tory bootlicker that should she get in I shall simply row myself to the Falklands to avoid waiting for conscription and a boat.


She will be a comprehensively out of touch embarrassment to the British nation and people, just like her three direct predecessors. You know absolutely nothing about the UK conservative party - and if you're going to be this wrong about this, there might be better places than a thread full of already quite miffed Brits.

I would stop here but will pause to point out the ludicrous boneheadery of suggesting to the nation still scarred by Tony Blair's licking of American boots that the best thing we could do is just not make any of our own policies and do what the US tells us, a bit like, I don't know, Iraq?

I might like to agree in the entirety of everything you say here in your viewpoint. But I don't see even a whiff of it on BBC America or YouTube. So I must assume this attitude is in the distinct minority, and this forum is too. If you could post anything mainstream/academic that might buttress your apparently outlier positions, that might better serve your purpose. Just straight attitude is completely unimpressive.

 

[Scaff]

I might like to agree in the entirety of everything you say here in your viewpoint. But I don't see even a whiff of it on BBC America or YouTube. So I must assume this attitude is in the distinct minority, and this forum is too. If you could post anything mainstream/academic that might buttress your apparently outlier positions, that might better serve your purpose. Just straight attitude is completely unimpressive.

You didn't look very hard then did you, go on, give it another go (I would say before you embarrass yourself, but that boats not only sailed but is mid-Atlantic)

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It's also not as if any exist in this very thread....

Britain - The Official Thread

I bet Carrie Johnson would agree.

www.gtplanet.net

...or that you once put up a post that included a description of her as demented!

Britain - The Official Thread

This is the best I could do regarding that baffling front page: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/pork-pie-plot-meaning-name-boris-johnson-putsch-explained-melton-mowbray-1410098

www.gtplanet.net

 

[Dotini]

You didn't look very hard then did you, go on, give it another go (I would say before you embarrass yourself, but that boats not only sailed but is mid-Atlantic)

Google Search

It's also not as if any exist in this very thread....

Britain - The Official Thread

I bet Carrie Johnson would agree.

www.gtplanet.net

...or that you once put up a post that included a description of her as demented!

Britain - The Official Thread

This is the best I could do regarding that baffling front page: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/pork-pie-plot-meaning-name-boris-johnson-putsch-explained-melton-mowbray-1410098

www.gtplanet.net

Sorry, but that seems like navel gazing, office politics and yet more attitude.

Meanwhile,

• European natural gas price has surged 30% in two days.
• The EU has mandated member states to reduce gas usage by 15%.
• Hungary has slammed the proposal, and looks to go its own way.
• UK MPs warn of "unimaginable debt" for millions of Britons.
• UK inflation at a 40 year high.

The above are headline "facts" from the video below.
Yet little of this is mentioned or discussed in this forum - so it must be of little merit, less importance and zero affect on national politics.

 

[Famine]

Weird that our resident Ken M is putting all of his eggs into the wealthy, Oxford-born, lifelong Tory white woman and not the outside perspective he claimed we so desperately needed from a "south east Asian" who was not "native"*.


Truss incidentally claims to have been brought up in Yorkshire, by 'eck our kid.

She was born in Oxford (entirely blue), brought up in a blue bit of Scotland, and moved to a wealthy blue bit of West Yorkshire (at the time) when she was 10/11 as her dad became a professor of English at Leeds University. She then moved to Canada for a year and came back to go back to Oxford University (Merton), and now represents a very blue bit of Norfolk - she claims to have been brought up in country-set Yorkshire to appeal to country-set Norfolk locals.

Which means that not even a third of her childhood was in Yorkshire, and since she only grew up in three places that's by definition not even the largest part of her childhood. She is about as Yorkshire as Richard Hammond who is, coincidentally, also a ****.


*British-born to parents born in African nations, with Indian grandparents

 

[Dotini]

Truss is an obviously leading candidate to become PM, and has all the right wartime credentials. She is the one if you want to take the hardest possible line against your global enemies, no question.

If you can't have her for some reason not applying to national security and victory at war, then you have a plausible alternative. From an American perspective, endogenous males are all politically unacceptable at this moment. I listen to BBC radio and watch BBC America, both channels.

 

[MaxAttack]

Truss is an obviously leading candidate to become PM, and has all the right wartime credentials. She is the one if you want to take the hardest possible line against your global enemies, no question.

Because the British are famous for our desire for another giant European land war to kill all our young people and devastate what remains of our economy...

If you can't have her for some reason not applying to national security and victory at war, then you have a plausible alternative.

Aside from her desire to be photographed hugging every piece of man killing machinery ever to roll out of BAE systems, might it not be enough that she is an unrepentantly dishonest career politician so thoroughly without morals she would stand by a convicted criminal as prime minister if she thought it might give her a sniff at the Downing Street crockery, if only to prop up a government with no trust or mandate from the people on promises to pull an inordinate sum of money from her nether regions whilst simultaneously making sure none of us have to pay for it, honest?

From an American perspective, endogenous males are all politically unacceptable at this moment. I listen to BBC radio and watch BBC America.

From a British perspective, I profoundly wish I understood what you could possibly mean by this.

 

[MatskiMonk]

From an American perspective, endogenous males are all politically unacceptable at this moment. I listen to BBC radio and watch BBC America, both channels.

Neither the US system or the British system are effective at offering us a selection of the best candidates. I wouldn't judge the quality of a candidates demographic by a sample size of 1 or 2. Both countries are suffering because our options are a poo-sandwich or a poo-taco. Instead of looking for a filling that's not poo, the people that like sandwiches go for the sandwich and the people who like taco's go for the taco, and the winners pretend they're not eating poo because hey, at least their choice won!

 

[Dotini]

Because the British are famous for our desire for another giant European land war to kill all our young people and devastate what remains of our economy...

Aside from her desire to be photographed hugging every piece of man killing machinery ever to roll out of BAE systems, might it not be enough that she is an unrepentantly dishonest career politician so thoroughly without morals she would stand by a convicted criminal as prime minister if she thought it might give her a sniff at the Downing Street crockery, if only to prop up a government with no trust or mandate from the people on promises to pull an inordinate sum of money from her nether regions whilst simultaneously making sure none of us have to pay for it, honest?


From a British perspective, I profoundly wish I understood what you could possibly mean by this.

Personally, I admire some of your attitude and would have more of it in factually documented terms. Regarding personality/character issues, that's up for grabs and for you to decide. My interest here is more on your international politics and economy as they affect the US, and less on British internal politics and social issues. I'm trying hard not to tread on your corns by training my insights listening to BBC.

 

[PeterJB]

There is a lot of grievance of the current situation. Boris' popularity tanked in the past six months, because as well as his insufferable, unkempt, bufoonish persona that he's held since being Mayor of London which only makes himself and this country look stupid when he's meeting other world leaders, he's proven himself to be a massive hypocrite and a power-hungry, compulsive liar. This "election" is being portrayed as if it's a Presidential election, which it looks like at a glance and holds a similar amount of weight. Obviously, our electoral system is different, and under the current rules, the Conversative Party have legitimacy to form a government. The difference is that with a Presidential election, it's open to the entire electorate, whereas with this, the 99.7% of the country that are not Conservative Party members have no say in who our next Prime Minister will be, and of the 0.3% that do, a significant portion of them did not want Boris to resign, and an equally significant portion wanted Kemi Badenoch as one of the final two candidates, who topped all the major polls, but as usual the MPs did not listen, and voted in droves for the least popular candidate (Rishi).

Of the two candidates we have, despite trying to distance himself from him, one of them is cut from the same cloth as Boris and just as responsible for the situation we find ourselves in; and the other is trying to exhude the same Iron Lady image that Thatcher had but continuously embarasses herself since neither she nor her team seem to do their research before speaking out on anything. Endlessly bringing up the situation that the government that they were both major players in as if now they can fix it with basically the same hollow promises as their precedessors is not the campaign strategy they think it is, nor is constantly deflecting by harping on about the vaccine rollout or Ukraine when come Winter people will have to choose between food and heating.

Choosing the new leader of your party is obviously an internal party issue, but not when you're the party in power. Letting just Labour members vote on a new leader while they're still the Opposition party is fine, but the resignation of the Prime Minister should be followed by a internal vote among Conservative Party members for a new interim leader, and then a General Election.

 

[UKMikey]

 

[Liquid]

For all of its faults I prefer a parliamentary system of government rather than an executive presidential one. The "Presidential focus" that is put on the Prime Ministerialship in a desperate attempt to be like the United States (have you seen how mental that place is?) is really embarrassing and stinks of a pathetic desperation to remain relevant.

 

[Scaff]

Sorry, but that seems like navel gazing, office politics and yet more attitude.

Please stop using words you clearly don't understand.

Liz Truss's incompetence isn't a result of navel gazing, off politics or attitude, it's clear evidence of her lack of qualification for the position she is looking to hold.

Answer me this, given you are in the mood to lecture on her skills, please let us know of her key achievement in her role as International Trade Secretary, a position she held from 2019 to 2021, and a position that post-Brexit was of vital importance to the UK and arguably the most important position she has held for any long period of time (do not copy and paste from Wiki - share the knowledge you have in your head).

 

[Famine]

her key achievement in her role as International Trade Secretary

 

[UKMikey]

"Boris did his best, something, something, mumble, at least it wasn't Corbyn, froth, froth, Brexit's great, it's just the French/Germans/Spanish punishing us, empire, Churchill, mumble, bulldog, froth some more, just like '76, etc."

You forgot my favourite: "We're only in this bloomin' mess because Gordon Brown sold off the gold reserves. Worst PM ever."

Answer me this, given you are in the mood to lecture on her skills, please let us know of her key achievement in her role as International Trade Secretary, a position she held from 2019 to 2021, and a position that post-Brexit was of vital importance to the UK and arguably the most important position she has held for any long period of time

This is a trick question, right? Did she sign a single new trade deal we didn't already have with the EU?

 

[Scaff]

This is a trick question, right? Did she sign a single new trade deal we didn't already have with the EU?

Not a trick question, as while it is true that the vast majority are simple copy/paste versions of EU ones (as in over 95% of them), three of them differ, I want to see @Dotini explain the keen negotiation skills Liz 'I'm an idiot' Truss brought to the table to advantage the UK, and what these advantages are.

 

[TheCracker]

Neither the US system or the British system are effective at offering us a selection of the best candidates. I wouldn't judge the quality of a candidates demographic by a sample size of 1 or 2. Both countries are suffering because our options are a poo-sandwich or a poo-taco. Instead of looking for a filling that's not poo, the people that like sandwiches go for the sandwich and the people who like taco's go for the taco, and the winners pretend they're not eating poo because hey, at least their choice won!

And not even 0.5% of the UK's eligible voting public gets to decide who the next PM will be! - so excuse me if i'm finding it hard to be excited by the prospect of which muppet ends up being the new PM.

 

[Dotini]

To be clear, the only important thing to me about Truss is that she is singularly gung ho on confronting Russia in Ukraine and beyond. The rest is just fluff to me; you can be the judge of all that.

Howsomever, I know the Trump administration was all about tariffs and nothing about trade deals, and Biden has frozen all trade deals, UK be damned. Truss stood no chance of getting a trade deal with us.

 

[Scaff]

To be clear, the only important thing to me about Truss is that she is singularly gung ho on confronting Russia in Ukraine and beyond. The rest is just fluff to me; you can be the judge of all that.

You mean like the time see got locations mixed up and told them they couldn't station troops inside Russia?

Howsomever, I know the Trump administration was all about tariffs and nothing about trade deals, and Biden has frozen all trade deals, UK be damned. Truss stood no chance of getting a trade deal with us.

So, to be clear, you were talking out your backside and support a one trick pony who can't do the trick.

Utterly ****ing genius.

 

[Famine]

Apropos of nothing, here's an image:

Of Peggy Mitchell, as played by Barbara Windsor...

 

[Liquid]

The Aristocrats!

 

[UKMikey]

I only just found out that Madge Bishop and Peggy Mitchell had the same name before Madge married Harold.

Of course both characters are gone with the wind now.

 

[Liquid]

What's funny abouy this story, whether it's true or not, is readers of the Heil spilling Pimms everywhere when they find out what pegging is.

 

[Famine]

I know they're an Irish company, but holy ****

 

[HenrySwanson]

I know they're an Irish company, but holy ****

I thought this was a reference to his views on climate change and inviting him onto a commercial jet rather than private.

How. Wrong. I. Was.

 

[Liquid]

I thought this was a reference to his views on climate change and inviting him onto a commercial jet rather than private.

How. Wrong. I. Was.

You had the joke pegged down as referring to something else? Shame.

 

[Touring Mars]

I know they're an Irish company, but holy ****

"This Tweet is unavailable"

Probably a good idea... it was a square peg in a round hole.

 

[Liquid]

Screenshots last far longer.

 

[Scaff]

Liz Truss still has a tweet up mourning Jimmy Savile...



Screenshot just in case