Bugatti Veyron Successor: Chiron
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I thought it's not as chubby as the Veyron lol
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They should have disguised it with a Daihatsu badge
I would say that'd work, but then that would actually attract attention because people start asking "Holy crap, Daihatsu made a supercar??"
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Actually its "Elektrisch angetriebener Verdichter"
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How much styling cues from the Vision Gran Turismo concept do you guys think will evolve to the production Chiron?
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Basically everything without the racey bitsHow much styling cues from the Vision Gran Turismo concept do you guys think will evolve to the production Chiron?
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Looks that way. I'd have thought that the roof line will also be higher - the illustration from the private viewing appears to confirm that. The lower section of the nose looks to be a bit more Veyron-like with the positioning of the intakes too.
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How much styling cues from the Vision Gran Turismo concept do you guys think will evolve to the production Chiron?
I expect the Chiron to be the refined, road version of the VGT.
I was very upset when Bugatti decided to axe the Galibier, but if the Chiron is anything like the VGT, I won't complain
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Bugatti and the Chiron could be under threat from cuts at VW following their emissions scandal:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-bugatti-under-threat-boss-warns-painful-cuts
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-bugatti-under-threat-boss-warns-painful-cuts
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Doubt it, I mean they're still absolutely loaded.
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Actually it wouldn't surprise me at all, if they put the production of the Chiron on hold. It's about as vanity product for them as a car can go, and if it was going to be like the Veyron and lose them money, it would have been ridiculous choice to make it, at their current situation
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Don't they lose like a million on each Veyron?
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-six-things-firm-could-cut
How much is 4 million euros in US dollars?
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-six-things-firm-could-cut
How much is 4 million euros in US dollars?
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The Veyron's "losses" are probably entirely beneficial for tax purposes, and it doesn't hurt Bugatti for that figure to be thrown about because customers then think they have a 5 mil car. Bugatti is the only VW brand that doesn't have it's figures published in the annual reports.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if they paused work on the Chiron. I mean, VW seriously screwed up with this whole EPA thing.
The current land speed record holder. the Thrust SSC, produced 110,000 HP from two twin jet engines and only yielded about 770 MPH. I think 13,000 HP might do something around 400/500 MPH. Don't forget, air resistance increases as you get faster.
The current land speed record holder. the Thrust SSC, produced 110,000 HP from two twin jet engines and only yielded about 770 MPH. I think 13,000 HP might do something around 400/500 MPH. Don't forget, air resistance increases as you get faster.
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HP values on jet engines may or may not be nonsense. The HP actually changes with speed as jets are (sort of) constant thrust. Power = Velocity*Force, so that HP rating is only good at a certain speed.
Also, I don't think that post of mine was serious.
If we actually do the math:
(13000/1000)^1/3 * 253 = ~600 mph for a 13000 HP Veyron. Well, with egregious error for ignoring trasnonic effects.
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http://www.carscoops.com/2015/10/good-news-everyone-bugatti-chiron-safe.html
The Chiron is safe, thank god!
The Chiron is safe, thank god!
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Without having any real proof for it, but I guess the development costs for successor is gping to be generally lower, because the technology is and should already be available, whereas it had to be developed for the Veyron (Tyres, etc.)
So, fingers crossed, VAG should make a profit off of it down the road, especially if Bugatti will make a gazillion special editions again
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Indeed, because power is the effect of the force.
To compare the power of a jet engine to the power of a piston engine you need to pick a speed where you want to make the comparison.
And what may be good to know as well is that it's not power that makes the car accelerate, it's a force. For a piston engine car the force accelerating the car is the torque multiplied by the gear ratio and divided by the radius of the wheel. Power, on the other hand, tells you the effect of the torque. Torque at high engine speeds is more valuable than torque at low engine speeds, because with high engine speeds you can run in a shorter gear, which multiplies the torque more than a taller gear and produces a greater force at the wheel. The value of torque is what is expressed by the power figure.
For a jet engine car the force accelerating the car is the thrust.
You can make a comparison of the power of a jet engine and a piston engine, but the piston engine is capped at a certain engine speed and won't go any faster, while the top speed of a jet engined vehicle depends on aerodynamic drag, so it's kind of unfair.
So a comparison would probably look something like this, with the piston engine car running in a single gear:
Another method could be to compare against the potential of the piston engine at any given gear ratio:
So in this example, with a short gear ratio even a relatively low powered car can produce greater force and power at low speed than the jet powered car (at 10 m/s) but once the piston car reach a bit of speed and need to shift into a taller gear, the jet powered car flies past, and its power figure keeps climbing until the car reaches its top speed.
The piston car, assuming infinate gears, maintains constant power throughout the acceleration thanks to its gearbox, but as the force is multiplied by the gear ratio, and the gear ratio gets smaller and smaller, the force drops a lot.
Edit: So, what would be better at the farm? A jet engine tractor or a piston engine tractor?
The piston engine would be far superior, due to the ability to change its gearing. The jet engine would have to use brute force to drag the plow through the field, while the piston engine would use the leverage provided by the gearbox.
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