Bugatti Veyron Successor: Chiron
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The only conclusive thing about all these rumors is that Bugatti has not even begun to build it yet. Everything else is throwing out different weight, power, materials, etc.
“We are looking at several options. The reality is that we are not under time pressure because we are confident of selling out the full Veyron production run regardless. Only after that can we see if there is time and appetite for such a program. It would be expensive and time-consuming, so we must be sure it is worth it,” a Bugatti source told Autocar.
The full Veyron line has to run out first, & only then can the "super Veyron" begin actual development.
“We are looking at several options. The reality is that we are not under time pressure because we are confident of selling out the full Veyron production run regardless. Only after that can we see if there is time and appetite for such a program. It would be expensive and time-consuming, so we must be sure it is worth it,” a Bugatti source told Autocar.
The full Veyron line has to run out first, & only then can the "super Veyron" begin actual development.
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The new Bugatti should have carbon fiber, a more stylish, modern look, a 8-speed transmission, more advanced and stiffer suspension, more horsepower, and a new wing.
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Carbon fiber, more horsepower, & a revised suspension are probably givens.
A new look & wing aren't likely to happen; the look is going to remain at heart, a 16.4 Veyron. Any exterior changes will be done for performance, not for style. The spoiler also servicing as an air brake means that won't change without having to completely re-design that.
I can't see why it would need a new transmission, either. It's already a bullet-proof piece of technological marvel.
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I believe that Bugatti should follow an even more sophisticated route, employing striking but yet elegant styling (with emphasis on their french/italian roots), unparalleled craftsmanship and limited build numbers, without aiming for the other products in the VW portfolio and simply outdoing them performance-wise by a order of magnitude like they do now.
Something more Rolls-Royce Phantom'ish, with Pagani-like craftsmanship and sized to be an interesting coupé or even a saloon that sells on design and luxury. Why not a new Type 57SC Atlantic?
Something more Rolls-Royce Phantom'ish, with Pagani-like craftsmanship and sized to be an interesting coupé or even a saloon that sells on design and luxury. Why not a new Type 57SC Atlantic?
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Only slightly worse is any brightly-colored flat matte, which is great for that "hasn't been washed in eight years look".
Want to re-paint a beater from the first Clinton or Bush Administration that color? ...Fine. Doing that to anything recent looks like a paper bag surrounding a fine bottle of wine.
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Bare carbon fibre that's been painted over? What? isn't that kind of common in high end cars these days?
In all seriousness, I rather like the Galibier, and i think it's a failry good looking car. It would certainly fit Bugatti's image if it had incredible performance and incredibly luxury.
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The Galibier was close, but not quite, it still was performance oriented and presumably faster than nearly everything else in the VAG portfolio. I believe it should have had a more bespoke feel to it's styling ( it attachs itself too much to the Veyron "family" face, which is not svelte to say the least... ) and ignore the monstrous engine, a reworked 4.0 V8 or even the famed TwinTurbo W12 would be more than enough.
Also, when I said coupé I meant a two seater, it doesn't have to be practical, just carry two people and look fantastic. If you want to be driven, there's always Bentley and ( why not ) Audi for you. Though, I understand the german way of filling every possible niche, and for what is worth a four seater is a much more appealing product, sales-wise. But hey, a man can dream.
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It wasn't performance oriented at all. The only reason that ever came up is because it ultimately had the Veyron's engine. But, what did everyone expect? It was a concept at the time & they weren't going to develop a new engine for the car in the case it didn't get the go-ahead. Besides, all the money spent on developing the W16 engine alone makes it obvious that Bugatti will intend to use it in whatever applications they can. And what better way to claim you have the "the most exclusive, elegant and powerful four door automobile in the world" than to have a giant engine in it. Hmm, I seem to recall a lot of the classics of the original Bugatti-era having outlandishly sized engines in them.The Galibier was close, but not quite, it still was performance oriented and presumably faster than nearly everything else in the VAG portfolio. I believe it should have had a more bespoke feel to it's styling ( it attachs itself too much to the Veyron "family" face, which is not svelte to say the least... ) and ignore the monstrous engine, a reworked 4.0 V8 or even the famed TwinTurbo W12 would be more than enough.
Anyone who really read what Bugatti released with this car though, could see that it was obviously going to focus more on the luxury side of things than the Veyron did, which was performance-first. The Royale isn't, & as seen by the interior pics, this car definitely pays some respect to the 57.
The styling comment is bit silly as well. It's going to have a Veyron-esque feel to it because that is what the company focuses solely on. Even then, they showed exterior design cues as homage to the Type 57 just as they did in the interior. Even the hood opens in the same manner as the old cars.
I know what you meant. However, you also said "even a saloon", so you accepted the notion that a 4-door was even acceptable.
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Are you sure? Do you recall that the dials were center-mounted on the dashboard (including the ludicrous horsepower-meter) for the backseat passengers to watch as they speed past everything that had four doors at the time? Or that it had : "Four-wheel drive, specially developed ceramic brakes and a new suspension design enable the agile, always-sure handling of a saloon of this size." Link Not to mention twin-supercharging in order to make the performance still fantastic, but smoother. If that's not performance oriented, I don't know what do you mean by that....
I didn't say that it had performance as the first driver of it's design, I said that it was performance-oriented as well. I was expecting a more Rolls-Royce'ish attitude, performance is not the main driver and to be honest, not even part of the intended experience, as long as it does not jeopardize it in any way.
I do realize the colossal economy in using an already developed powerplant, I just think that big horsepower demands big everything else, and that's quite hard to package in a smaller and better looking machine. Which is why I suggested dropping the W16 and using other more common powertrains in the VAG portfolio.
And that's exactly why I suggested a more svelte looking coachwork, instead of the "torpedo" design language employed by the Veyron. For instance the radiator grille which was discussed to great extent in this very same thread, does pay hommage to Bugatti classic design language, and the clamshell backend is reminiscent of the Bugatti racers of yore, I never claimed otherwise. The Veyron looks great, but without the packaging and aerodinamic limitations imposed by the target performance stats, a smaller car could make better use of such classical styling cues.
It does loook similar ( except for the bulkyness ) to the 57 Galibier, but not as mad, gorgeous and assymetrical in some ways as other rebodied models, like the 57 Atlantic, which I suggested as a major inspiration.
That's right. But a two seater would allow more freedom in the design dept., hence the 'even' a saloon.
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Great...Another Veyron! Like there aren't enough variants of the bloody thing 
. Seriously, isn't 431 km/h enough? Unless you have our own private oval, where relistically are you going to be able to reach 463 km/h? (288mph=463.4911km/h)
. Seriously, isn't 431 km/h enough? Unless you have our own private oval, where relistically are you going to be able to reach 463 km/h? (288mph=463.4911km/h)
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Great...Another Veyron! Like there aren't enough variants of the bloody thing
The same could be said for all vehicles that can exceed speed limits. You're not going to see much over 150mph on most race tracks, unless you're MrMel, so why do companies bother building supercars and superbikes?
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To show they can, and because a limited number of people will buy them too. They are great publicity for the brand.
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It's been about 8 years since the launch of the Bugatti Veyron. Of which there were several special editions and every car reaching a minimum top speed of 407km/h (253-254mph). Now this automotive legend is dying. 450 were said to be made and 390 have. In it's dying years you could imagine a successor would come along. And there is.
You forget the rumoured SuperVeyron, which was caimed to be capable of having 1600hp and a top speed of 449km/h(288mph) and a 0-60 time of 1.8 seconds. It sounded preposterous enough but it's never going to happen. As confirmed last weekend at Pebble Beach by Bugatti President Dr. Wolfgang Schreiber.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/20/veyron-replacement-coming-no-successor/
So what do thing of this out take? And what do expect from a Veyron replacement?
You forget the rumoured SuperVeyron, which was caimed to be capable of having 1600hp and a top speed of 449km/h(288mph) and a 0-60 time of 1.8 seconds. It sounded preposterous enough but it's never going to happen. As confirmed last weekend at Pebble Beach by Bugatti President Dr. Wolfgang Schreiber.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/20/veyron-replacement-coming-no-successor/
So what do thing of this out take? And what do expect from a Veyron replacement?
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It will be a head to head rivalry between SSC's Tuatara and the Veyron successor, which should come out in 2018 or so. This gives VW plenty of time to engineer a car like this. If SSC can do it, then Bugatti can. They have the resources to blow them out of the sky.. Even though its awesome to see such a large company like VW get beat out by a little business in Washington.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/20/veyron-replacement-coming-no-successor/
No Super Veyron people, but a replacement car in the making...
No Super Veyron people, but a replacement car in the making...
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It's about time Bugatti did something new entirely.
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Apparently the Royale/Galibier was also scrapped... 
Note is from early September, but sad either way...
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-bugatti-galibier-likely-to-have-been-dropped
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/b...ibier-but-could-plug-in-a-veyron-replacement/
Just wondering... how is the company going to survive until the Veyron succesor arrives????
Note is from early September, but sad either way...
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-bugatti-galibier-likely-to-have-been-dropped
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/b...ibier-but-could-plug-in-a-veyron-replacement/
Just wondering... how is the company going to survive until the Veyron succesor arrives????
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Apparently the Royale/Galibier was also scrapped...
Note is from early September, but sad either way...
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-bugatti-galibier-likely-to-have-been-dropped
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/b...ibier-but-could-plug-in-a-veyron-replacement/
Just wondering... how is the company going to survive until the Veyron succesor arrives????
They'll probably have already started developing the Veyron successor whilst they finish off the "Legends" series for the current cars. VW have plenty of money to help fund the development anyway like they did with the original Veyron.
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I know they arent tied in with F1 but could see Kera and a DRS spoiler with an added air brake feature. Kers cant really added totop speed but would be usefully on MPG. The actual design slippery without downforce so bad on track (duh). So i would want a bit more aerodynamic design to it.
