CALIFORNIA: Radiation Plume to arrive in US this Friday, 3/18/2011

Something is puzzling me. On a Belgian site, the reporters say that the radioactive contamination is currently located above parts of Russia and China and will reach the US in two days and Europe in 10 to 14 days.

Am I missing something but I thought that the wind was blowing to the East towards the US. How is it possible that the radioactive contamination is going towards the US and is at the same time already above parts of Russia and China and blowing towards Europe?

This post is because I'm questioning the logic of the journalists in question. Or is my logic flawed?

I've seen but a few animated weather diagrams. From what I can tell, the wind is generally from west to east from Japan across the Pacific. However, it sometimes whips around in different directions. Russia's Kamchatka peninsula has already been lashed by some of this, Korea and China are sometimes subject to winds blown over Japan, but often the wind will circulate around and around the home islands.

I have the feeling we are all about to learn a whole lot more about global wind distribution patterns.
 
In todays age of sound sound bits reality is created by propaganda not physical evidence. One of the great lies is that "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you." Truth from your government today is unlikely. The government sees its duty as to avoid panic. However, if there is a special interest group that can make money by creating panic like global warming, the government will support it.

I live in southern California. I have to work and I just don't have any choice. I was exposed to asbestos, mercury and second hand smoke as a child. Both my parents die from cancer 15 to 30 years younger than their parents. What am I going to do.

I would like to think that my future grand children will have a chance at being healthy longer. Mistakes made governments 30 years ago can't be changes so we just got to live with it. We can be more skeptical of what our government does today to create a better future.

Live now and be happy because there is no benefit in the alternative.:)
 
Are you being serious?

Nope, I work outside today for 4 hours.
Local paper news on it.
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HLN BREAKING NEWS here follow the crisis in Japan minute by minute. We are now one week after the terrible earthquake and tsunami. Beyond the humanitarian crisis, all eyes on Fukushima who still have a nuclear meltdown. According to experts, the burial of the damaged reactor in concrete, the only solution, now that the sea water cooling is not working. Anne Becker follows from 10 hours before the news closely, to editors in Los Angeles tonight to take from her, followed by those in Sydney.

5:28 p.m.: The Japanese meteorological institute said Friday that Japan has been 262 aftershocks with a magnitude of 5 or greater has undergone. This is a record in Japanese history.

5:10 p.m.: In the region of Fukushima is stopped snowing. This will hopefully facilitate the rescue. It remains very cold.

4:39 p.m.: The largest tsunami ever recorded in Japan in 1896 and was 38 meters high. Researchers believe, however, that without the breakwater, which did not exist in 1896, the tsunami of 11 March (which was 23 meters high) probably would have been the highest ever measured in the East Asian country.

4:33 p.m.: Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the Japanese invited to work in Siberia and the far east of Russia as long as the humanitarian crisis lasts.

4:28 p.m.: "The situation is very serious in Fukushima, but it is not remarkably worse than yesterday," said the IAEA.

4:18 p.m.: The U.S. Army has recommended that all military missions in a wide arc around Fukushima flying.

3:58 p.m.: Thousands of people can see through a computer error in one of the largest Japanese banks no longer pick up cash. Moreover, the wages are not paid (see 3:25 p.m.). There are long queues at banks.

3:54 p.m.: Qatar sends a tanker full of gas to Japan. On April 5 that will accrue.

3:50 p.m.: The tsunami of last Friday led to 23 meters high waves, calculated the Port and Airport Research Institute in Ofunato, Iwate.

3:47 p.m.: Japanese engineers also suggest that the "burial" of the reactor in concrete may be the only workable solution. This was an emergency solution to the major nuclear disaster in Chernobyl in 1986 in the Soviet Union also used.

3:45 p.m.: The damaged reactors with concrete pour is the only solution that remains. That thinks Ben Ale, Professor of Safety Engineering at TU Delft. "The cooling sea water does not work and the fire helicopters do not solve this put, we've already seen. The fuel rods to cover with concrete, you prevent there radiation comes out. It's a radical solution, but I see no other way anymore.''

3:35 p.m.: Flemish minister-president Kris Peeters at the Japanese Embassy in Brussels, a book of condolences signed: "On behalf of the Flemish Government and Flemish, I wish my sincere condolences and deepest sympathy to the families of the victims of the tragedy in Japan. I Wishing everyone in Japan, strength and comfort during this difficult time. "

3:33 p.m.: The branch trade union is also angry at foreign minister, Vanackere. "When (Thursday) he told coolly that he expects the staff in Tokyo that they persist and provide the necessary support of our compatriots. Such instruction he gives to employees who may be their health and perhaps their lives. He knows damn well that his administration that people do not even have insurance. What's more, the personnel do not know if their employer as a possible radioactive contamination accident will recognize. "

3:32 p.m.: The Foreign Affairs ACOD requires written assurance that the embassy staff in Tokyo can rely on work injury insurance, if need arise. The socialist union wants to know why so late Foreign Affairs decided to repatriation of all Belgians and the embassy staff in Japan.

3:28 p.m.: Chile and the U.S. will soon sign a nuclear deal. Yesterday the White House did not confirm this news. Normally, Barack Obama personally descend to Chile, but he sends his ambassador Alejandro Wolff. The U.S. stressed that the agreement on the training of nuclear engineers, not about building a new reactor.

3:25 p.m.: A major Japanese bank announces that a technical error has ensured 910,000 transactions, including many payments of wages, not executed.

3:23 p.m.: "Keep you ready for the night 10:30 aftershock, tweet Byron Kidd from Tokyo. "That has already been three nights in a row. Aftershocks are as predictable as the blackouts of TEPCO.

3:14 p.m.: The Swedish retailer H & M has nine out of ten stores in Japan for an indefinite period. Only the shop remains open in Osaka.

3:09 p.m.: Not just for water, food and electricity, but also medication is currently a great shortage in Japan. People who use their medicines should have stuck with a serious problem. Especially older Japanese are at risk.

3:05 p.m.: It still tried to use water cannons to cool overheated reactor. It is unclear whether this effect, but it is currently is the only solution out there.

2:59 p.m.: The Austrian meteorological institute has an increased dose of radioactivity measured in eastern Russia.

2:57 p.m.: Through rain and wind direction will change this weekend radioactive particles will no longer flying toward the ocean, but towards the Tokyo metropolis.

2:54 p.m.: A meteorologist of the United Nations says that the radioactive particles leaking from the Fukushima highest atmospheric layers have not yet reached. Air traffic at present is still safe, except in the immediate vicinity of the NPP.

2:47 p.m.: Japan goes all hospitals within a radius of thirty kilometers of the damaged nuclear power plant in Fukushima evacuate. Currently, only three hundred of one thousand one hundred patients evacuated.

14h45: In a telephone call fifteen minutes, the French President Nicolas Sarkozy offered all possible assistance to the Japanese Prime Can.

2:37 p.m.: "Today it's cold, it freezes," says Anne Koneka Koriyama in the BBC. "We are all on the television to keep up to date about the nuclear situation. I can not leave this region. I've lived here seven years, I own a factory with one hundred employees. I can not forsake them."

2:29 p.m.: Chinese President Hu Jintao has his "sincere condolences" expressed by Japan, the Japanese embassy in Beijing. China, which previously known to have difficult relations with neighboring countries, "feels the pain of the Japanese people."

2:18 p.m.: An anonymous diplomat said that the radioactive particles from Japan have reached southern California. There would be absolutely no risk to public health.

2:15 p.m.: The tallest building in Japan today has just been completed, despite the massive earthquake and many aftershocks. The television mast with a height of 630 meters is in the capital, Tokyo. Exuberant will not be celebrated: "We have postponed the ceremony, given the many people who died in the disaster." The building has ultra-modern anti-earthquake technology.

2:09 p.m.: The total number of dead and missing now exceeds 20,000, reports the Japanese television station NHK. This morning was a little over 14,000.

1:52 p.m.: The Japanese automaker Nissan, the Japanese cars in the branches of the tape drive, testing for traces of radioactivity. The tests will be conducted "until we are sure that there is no risk of further exposure," the automaker.

1:40 p.m.: A travel ban on Japan is not needed, says the World Health Organization. The radiation is increased, but there is still no danger to health.

1:38 p.m.: "Hopefully this national tragedy will lead to a new kind of politics in Japan," says author and scholar Francis Fukuyama.

1:32 p.m.: There are several aftershocks in the northeastern region of Tohoku.

1:29 p.m.: U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Rose tweet: "RT @ pacific command: # Pacôme News: USS Essex loading more supplies for Japan.

1:09 p.m.: TEPCO says that tomorrow the power to reactor 4 can be restored. Earlier today it was said that Unit 1 and 2 would flow back tomorrow morning.

1:04 p.m.: The Airbus of the Belgian army Belgians in Japan away, it is in outage in Alaska. The plane was en route from the U.S. capital Washington to Seoul in South Korea. But due to problems with the onboard computer is the device on the ground in Ancorage.

1:03 p.m.: Even more than 30 km from Fukushima is an increased dose of radiation is measured. The highest tax was one area which has not been evacuated and where people are asked simply to remain indoors.

1:01 p.m.: Japanese give each other tips to survive through Twitter. "For people who need baby milk" tweet nakachi7. "If you cook rice, put an empty cup in the rice cooker. The surplus rice can be used as a substitute for baby milk."

13h: Fifty tons of water was in forty minutes time the reactors in Fukushima sprayed on the second day of the operation.

24:50: One tweet Kensuke Tadano, a board member in Minamisoma: "There are still people that the security zone will not have left. I tried for two people to convince, but she cried and refused to leave their home. They live right on the edge thirty kilometers of the border which was set. "

24:34: The speech of Prime Minister Naoto Kan has ended. The core of his argument was that he greatly respects the Japanese people and the situation remains dangerous in Fukushima. "After World War II, our economy has grown spectacularly, thanks to the efforts of the Japanese people. Then our country is built."

12:27: The yen has fallen today due to the emergency of the G7 countries. Around a little after ten euro was worth 114.74 yen compared with 110.67 yen yesterday. Just dropped the price of the yen to 115.55 yen even.

24:26: The Dutch energy expert Wim Turkenburg is surprised about raising the alert level from 4 to 5. According Turkenburg there has international consensus that we are now in phase 6.

24:23: "We have no time to be pessimistic," said May in a speech to the people. "We have indeed had problems with supplies to get the right people, but this problem is fixed now."

12:22: "The situation in Fukushima is still very serious," said Prime Minister Ch. Firefighters and police officers are risking their lives.

24:18: Can Premier admires the way his people deal with this crisis. "Japan will survive this crisis," he said at a press conference currently taking place.

24:14: evacuees in camps in northeastern Japan describe the living conditions on British television. A man says he lives in the dark. He can not imagine that he ever will go back to work. Another man says there is no water to flush the toilets.

12:03: The fiercely criticized Prime Minister Naoto Kan will speak to his people a minute. According to Reuters he plans a visit to the disaster area next week.

12:02: Tokyo Electric has plans for tomorrow for a few times to cut off the power stored. The company wanted to control the power to stop, to prevent an uncontrollable blackout.

11:58: There are more people succumbed to flu in the devastated areas. If a flu epidemic broke out, Japanese hospitals would become even overbelaster than they already are.

11:55: Since last Friday have been deceased for at least 27 evacuees, mainly due to lack of medical care. Pratically three hundred thousand people were evacuated.

11:49: "Go on with life. I will not come home a long time," emailed one of the Fifty from the Fukushima nuclear plant to his family. The nickname refers to the 180 employees working in teams of fifty days and night with flashlights and hard hats toil in the dark on the situation at the nuclear plant under control.

11:48: The Japanese Atomic Energy Agency indicates that constantly re-radioactive atmospheric income. It raised the alert level in its own words by the precarious situation of reactors 1, 2 and 3.

11:36: The international children's organization Save the Children estimates that one hundred thousand children are homeless since last Friday.

11:25: Japan must import 200,000 barrels of oil per day to prevent a shortage of energy gets stuck. The oil should fall out of eleven nuclear power generation reactors compensate. Japan itself has no fossil fuel resources.

11:23: The nine-year Toshihito Aisawa passes through an evacuation center in Ishinomaki with two pieces of cardboard in his hands. On one are the names of his father, mother, grandmother and cousins ​​which he desperately seeks, on the other says, "I'll be back tomorrow."

11:20: In the basin of reactor 5 is the temperature of 64.2 degrees this morning (CET) rose to 65.5 degrees, while in the basin of reactor 6 a slight decrease from 62.5 to 62 degrees Celsius. The normal temperature is about 25 degrees.

11:18: In addition to water cannons and helicopters is now a diesel generator used to the damaged nuclear reactor to cool. The diesel makes from reactor 6 for the water in the drainage basin of used fuel rods from the reactors 5 and 6. But the operation seems little success.

11:17: 117 countries according to the Japanese Foreign Ministry offered assistance. 29 international organizations have also reached out a helping hand.

11:16: According to TEPCO, the operator of radiation at the Fukushima nuclear power dropped slightly. At 13.50 hours local time would be measured microsieverts 3484, at 14.50 hours was 3.339. This morning the radiation reached its highest level since the disaster began. The message of TEPCO was not confirmed by other sources.

11:09: The Japanese government was overwhelmed by the scale of the disaster last week. "Therefore we reacted too slowly," said government spokesman Yukioi Edano, "he who never sleeps" during a press conference.

11:01: The Dutch Embassy in Japan offers airline seats for Dutch people who wish to leave the country. On Sunday two KLM flights from Tokyo to Amsterdam made ​​block bookings. The Dutch should have their tickets himself.

11 am: The disaster in Japan, the airline industry to slow significantly. Until at least the second half of 2011, the sector has come back on top.

10:45: Most Japanese airports would still have ten days kerosene.

10:34: "The cooling of the damaged nuclear reactor is a race against the clock," said Yukiya Amano, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

10:31: The Japanese atomic agency has raised the alert level for Fukushima from four to five. Chernobyl in 1986 had seven levels. Previously suggested that the French ASN Fukushima I in six bowl belongs.

10:26: Tokyo takes more out of relief supplies to northern Japan. They are mainly baby items, things for older people, contact lens solution and water. Clothes and food are not accepted.

10:22: On the western U.S. coast, additional monitoring stations placed to reassure people in California.

10:17: Japan has said that a "number 5" incident has been in reactors 1, 2 and 3 and a number 3 in reactor 4. Moreover, even this morning fully expecting to half a streamlined reactor laid.

10:13: Crown Prince Naruhito and his wife Masako have canceled the wedding of Britain's Prince William and Kate Middleton next month.

10:02: For those who just hang up, these are the main events of the last hour:

1) There seemed a glimmer of hope last night when it briefly seemed that the Japanese were given the matter cooled, especially since there is a fixed line to one of the reactors had been laid. Unfortunately this morning we should start with very bad news. The radiation near Fukushima I have this morning reached a new peak. She is at its highest level since the disaster began.

2) New pictures can be seen that the bath is used in reactor number four splijststofstaven really dry cooked. That's the bad news that among the Americans have feared for a few days. The Japanese had denied.

3) Gregory Jazcko by the U.S. nuclear regulatory commission chairman, said that it still may take days and probably weeks to NPP under control .

9:59: Because it appears that the situation in the disaster center in Japan continues to deteriorate, and given the huge and continuing demand from our readers to keep abreast of developments in Fukushima, editorial staff will this weekend continue with her ​​24 hours to 24 hours, minute by minute live coverage on the nuclear situation and other horrible consequences of the mega quake. The developments in Libya, we will follow around the clock. Our sports editor throws at Milan-Sanremo and the last day in first class. The reporting will be provided TRANSFER from our editors in Brussels, Los Angeles and Sydney.
Translated by Chrome. Though they poured concrete on the reactors.
 
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The more I am witnessing these unfortunate events halfway around the world from me, the more I accept my own fate on this fragile earth. The mere fact that any of us are alive and kicking on this planet, is a pure miracle, knowing there are celestial objects that make our SUN the size of one screen PIXEL compared to what is out there, magnitude times bigger than, even the biggest you can imagine. Yes, Japan is my heart and mind, but these are the cards we were dealt with. The worse is still yet to come my friends. Enjoy your today, for it very well may be your last.
 
Tiny amounts of Japan's radiation reach Calif.
First readings are 'about a billion times beneath levels that would be health threatening'

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Tiny amounts of Japan's radiation reach Calif.
First readings are 'about a billion times beneath levels that would be health threatening'

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Any detectable radiation on Friday "could be coming from your own reactors in California," said physics Prof. Paddy Regan at the University of Surrey at Guildford in Britain.

Or a shipment of bananas came in or something...
 
So wait, you're telling me the media was drumming up fear mongering stories of radiation hitting the US without looking into the actual facts? I'm shocked!
 
Or a shipment of bananas came in or something...

Apparently southern Californians should expect less than the amount of radiation gotten from eating one banana.

(aka 1 banana equivalent dose)
 
A long time ago I worked for the Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety and had the same job title as Homer Simpson. Very cool college job. Anyways, I worked in hospitals and research labs monitoring the researchers (to see if they did anything dumb...and oh boy did they), calibrated test equipment, and decontaminated labs/hospital rooms.

The two isotopes I keep hearing about being 'airborne' are relatively harmless. One, the iodine, has a half-life that is measured in minutes and the cesium gives off beta. Do you know a beta ray can be blocked by a piece of notebook paper? Now you know.

Radiation is not 'bad' or nearly as harmful as many think. It's all around us. That big orange thing in the sky, the air you breathe, the fancy watch on your wrist, your counter-tops, and even the plates you eat off of (if it's orange).

If you're worried about being contaminated; take a shower and wash your clothes. Viola! You've decontaminated yourself from radioactive materials and removed whatever funk you had in your armpits. Do this daily. Wash your bedsheets, wash your clothes, and do all the normal stuff civilized people do and stop being a hippie.

This is nothing to worry about. As someone who has received beta burns (from previously mentioned dumb researchers), there's absolutely nothing to worry about from this. Want to worry about something? Worry about your NCAA bracket like our dear leader.
 
I was not worried if anything did happened, we would of found information on it in the past days. I told my coworkers about the radiation, their eyes popped open and said "oh well" then continue to work. Today, I just seen guest go by without the slightest hint that its going to happen. There wasn't anything in the front page of this morning paper about it.
 
Apparently southern Californians should expect less than the amount of radiation gotten from eating one banana.

(aka 1 banana equivalent dose)
"A one-way 13-hour flight from New York to Tokyo generally involves an exposure of about 0.1 mSv (the dose equivalent of a few chest x-rays)"

Senior airline pilots who make long international flights are basically getting numerous X-rays during a typical work week of two or three flights. I don't see them dieing at 40 from brain cancer. In fact, it's unlikely most pilots that far advanced are even under 40 years old.

Well, I am fine..unless you guys do want the pictures. Though we are expecting rain soon.
Radiation rain!
 
Wash your bedsheets, wash your clothes, and do all the normal stuff civilized people do and stop being a hippie.

I find this quite offending as someone who suffers from SMA (with a very rare course of disease) most likely as a result from the Chernobyl accident (my parents both have the same genetic defect and a lot of doctors assume it comes from the fallout here in Germany). You might want to tell this a lot of disabled people and their parents in the Ukraine too.

Not saying that the media isn't overhyping this, but please, don't do the opposite either.
 
Figured this might amuse some people

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Azuremen--that's a nice graphic. Here's a cool gallery of different nuclear reactors:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/gallery/2011-03/nuclear-reactor-cutaways

Those drawings are pretty neat 👍, nice to see the different types and also different layouts from all over the world.

I was particularly interested in seeing the Chinese Daya Bay reactor which was a concern after Japan also being so close to the sea, in a quake zone and more because of its proximity to Hong Kong, a city with 7 million people, only a few miles away.

I bet all coastal nuclear plants round the world will have massive sea walls built after this.

Robin.
 
That's an awesome picture Azuremen, but I wish they would have included the radiation from the sun that astronauts' suits and spacecraft have to endure.
 
I bet all coastal nuclear plants round the world will have massive sea walls built after this.

Some tsunamis are known to travel at very high speeds - up to several hundred miles an hours. And one tsunami topped 524 meters at Lituya Bay, Alaska, 1958. So even a massive seawall will mean little in exceptional circumstances.

A megatsunami at the Canary Islands would result in a height of as much as 164 feet, leveling whole cities from New York to Havana.

In future, much more careful consideration must be given to rare events.
 
A megatsunami at the Canary Islands would result in a height of as much as 164 feet, leveling whole cities from New York to Havana.

In future, much more careful consideration must be given to rare events.

Must assume you mean specifically the threat posed by La Palma. Yeah that one could be very nasty for almost the entire US Eastern seaboard and we'd be lucky to only experience billions of $ in damages.
http://wet.kuleuven.be/wetenschapinbreedbeeld/lesmateriaal_geologie/wardday-lapalmatsunami.pdf
 
Some tsunamis are known to travel at very high speeds - up to several hundred miles an hours. And one tsunami topped 524 meters at Lituya Bay, Alaska, 1958. So even a massive seawall will mean little in exceptional circumstances.

Yes this is true, but something like what happened at Alaska couldn't happen in the instance of an Ocean, if I remember correctly, the Alaskan incident happened when a good chunk of mountain side fell down the Valley into a lake. You Tend not to get Massive mountains on the side of Oceans that could collapse into the see in the same fashion of Alaska, the most likely scenario is Volcano at sea as you have pointed out Below. Also a wave that size would dissipate significantly crossing an Ocean, although could still be extremely big.

A megatsunami at the Canary Islands would result in a height of as much as 164 feet, leveling whole cities from New York to Havana.

In future, much more careful consideration must be given to rare events.

Yes this is probably the best example of a potential mega Tsunami, it doesn't matter how high your wall of defence is in this instance, it's pretty much game over. It's worth remembering that such an event is very rare though, so a sea wall does seem at least a good idea to protect you from the far more likely, normal Tsunami. Quakes at sea are not that uncommon, perhaps on the scale of Japan's you could argue they are, but even they seem far more likely than a mega Tsunami event. It seems a giant sea wall in most eventualities would be a good idea.


There is a lot of different views on the potential Mega Tsunami at the Canary islands. Not only is the time scale of debate but also whether such a mega Tsunami could even occur in reality, and should half the island subside into the sea, will it really remain a few hundred meters high after however many kilometres of travel at sea? It's been demonstrated that these waves loose significant amplitude over ocean spans, although it seems fair to assume that if the wave is over 100 meters its still going to be pretty large after it has traversed an ocean.
 
In future, much more careful consideration must be given to rare events.

Not to overreact, not to under react.

We must carefully and realistically consider our manifold risks, and we can and should do about them. That is all.
 
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