CALIFORNIA: Radiation Plume to arrive in US this Friday, 3/18/2011

Some tsunamis are known to travel at very high speeds - up to several hundred miles an hours. And one tsunami topped 524 meters at Lituya Bay, Alaska, 1958. So even a massive seawall will mean little in exceptional circumstances.

A megatsunami at the Canary Islands would result in a height of as much as 164 feet, leveling whole cities from New York to Havana.

In future, much more careful consideration must be given to rare events.

I also would question their effectiveness its just that an expert in one of the many documentaries on the quake said that if the Fukushima power plants sea wall was only a few meters higher it would have stopped the wave which flooded the pumps. I guess building a bigger and higher wall can't be a bad thing though.
 
I also would question their effectiveness its just that an expert in one of the many documentaries on the quake said that if the Fukushima power plants sea wall was only a few meters higher it would have stopped the wave which flooded the pumps. I guess building a bigger and higher wall can't be a bad thing though.

In this case it would have had to protect against a 14.5m tsunami, which I think was almost ten meters higher than the current seawall. That's a big wall! It was also crazy to put the generators and their fuel tanks in such an exposed area. A list of lessons learned is also being discussed over at the Brave New Climate forum. These are anthropogenic global warming/climate change alarmists who are almost rabidly devoted to nuclear energy for some reason.
 
Not to overreact, not to under react.

We must carefully and realistically consider our manifold risks, and we can and should do about them. That is all.

And what can we do? This kind of logic echoes the mindset of not flying because there could be a crash.

You can't stop everything, and should only plan according to a reasonable amount of risk.
 
We must carefully and realistically consider our manifold risks, and we can and should do about them.

Don't fit the NOS, dude.

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Ive had a few chest CT scans + hundreds of chest Xrays...

I might be in trouble!!
 
Not to overreact, not to under react.

We must carefully and realistically consider our manifold risks, and we can and should do about them. That is all.

Perhaps, but in the specific case of a potential Mega Tsunami, hitting the east coast of America in the next few millennia? what can possibly be done with current technology and resources?
 
^ I believe we should listen to Iron Maiden for advice on what to do in this case:
 
Perhaps, but in the specific case of a potential Mega Tsunami, hitting the east coast of America in the next few millennia? what can possibly be done with current technology and resources?

In the specific case of a megatsunami hitting the east coast, in my offhand opinion, it should first be determined as best we can what the best/most likely/worst case timelines might be. If the worst case were within a hundred years, that would call for different measures than 1000 years or 10,000 years.

Obviously, nuclear waste should never be permanently stored there, in any case.

If the putative megatsunami were thought possible within 100-200 years, that would call for a plan to relocate the Capitol and other indispensable infrastructure far enough inland to ensure survival of essential government functions and personnel.

At a personal level, I might simply avoid relocating my home and family to the threatened area.

As far as realistic threats that we can do something about, I think the most urgent may be prolonged power outages of the electric grid due to another Carrington Event, such as happened in 1859. In a case like this, we must rebuild our power grid transformer by transformer, the problem being the USA no longer manufactures transformers. So we'd be SOL. Therefore I strongly think the domestic manufacturing of the essential components and equipment of our civilization must be a vital part of our national capacity and policy.

I hope that is a sufficiently elaborated answer to your question, as you clearly have a good grasp of the basic problems.

Respectfully,
Dotini
 
In the specific case of a megatsunami hitting the east coast, in my offhand opinion, it should first be determined as best we can what the best/most likely/worst case timelines might be. If the worst case were within a hundred years, that would call for different measures than 1000 years or 10,000 years.

Obviously, nuclear waste should never be permanently stored there, in any case.

If the putative megatsunami were thought possible within 100-200 years, that would call for a plan to relocate the Capitol and other indispensable infrastructure far enough inland to ensure survival of essential government functions and personnel.

At a personal level, I might simply avoid relocating my home and family to the threatened area.

As far as realistic threats that we can do something about, I think the most urgent may be prolonged power outages of the electric grid due to another Carrington Event, such as happened in 1859. In a case like this, we must rebuild our power grid transformer by transformer, the problem being the USA no longer manufactures transformers. So we'd be SOL. Therefore I strongly think the domestic manufacturing of the essential components and equipment of our civilization must be a vital part of our national capacity and policy.

I hope that is a sufficiently elaborated answer to your question, as you clearly have a good grasp of the basic problems.

Respectfully,
Dotini

It really depends on what you mean my possible in the next 200 years, if you mean probable then something would surely have to be done.

That said, I question America's current resources to be able to 're-locate' its largest city. I see it as far more likely that an efficient evacuation system were put in place, although we both know you cannot move 8 million people in 5 hours or so.

That is all aside from the fact that the threat is posed to a much greater area than Just the one city.

In my eyes, it would require a near certainty of imminent destruction before any significant steps are taken protect those on the east coast, simply because of the scale of what would have to be undertaken to achieve such a goal.

It is a case if 'risk x consequence / cost of preventing measures' and while the consequence potentially very high, so is the cost of prevention, so the risk would have to be significant to see action IMO.

As for the Carrington Event (which I recall is attributed to CME's), its a different ball game. Something realistically can be done if the threat is considered sufficient. Looking at the 'risk x consequence / cost of preventing measures', the cost of preventing measures is not completely off the scale like the previous example, so assuming sufficient risk, it seems like a sensible solution to retain transformer production.

I haven't researched the CME threat fully admittedly, so apologies if I am a bit wide of the mark; but I remember reading that the operators of UK National grid do not consider the expected CME's increase to be of particular threat to our grid, and I would be inclined to trust them as a source.

I'm struggling to form a solid opinion on it as I read many conflicting sources, however if it really is such a risk, then measures really should be taken.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if the radiation is still lower than what you experience in a high-altitude flight.

It is..

You're surrounded by radiation. From concrete to even plants. Atoms are constantly decaying. Forget extraterrestrial sources like the sun, neutrinos or CBMR.

A theatre usher standing under one of those tritium EXIT signs is getting more of a dose per day than the Japanase threat. The EMF from your TV and house's power lines are a bigger threat.

Radiation is also a BROAD range. Alpha and Beta aren't as bad as Gamma. Infrared is forms of radiation, as is the Microwave that cell towers use.

Pick your battles, you're more likely to be killed by stuff FED to your plants than what can be rinsed off.

"Radiation" gives you
a tan
vitamin D
genetic variation
a convenient EXIT sign
a smoke detector
Electricity that doesn't give you black lung disease.

And to those that propound about wind, water or solar. The sun is a big ball of fusion. It doesn't matter if your energy source is decomposed dinosaurs, or wind. The energy comes from the sun, a big ball of radioactivity.

Every metal you encounter was born in a star that went supernova. The carbon, oyxgen, nitrogen, beryllium, even gold. They may have been fused later, but the components always involved radiation. Turn on your TV to a station that you don't get and you're watching radiation

Radiation is more about Death From Above than it is about coming from Japan.
 
It is..

You're surrounded by radiation. From concrete to even plants. Atoms are constantly decaying. Forget extraterrestrial sources like the sun, neutrinos or CBMR.

A theatre usher standing under one of those tritium EXIT signs is getting more of a dose per day than the Japanase threat. The EMF from your TV and house's power lines are a bigger threat.

Radiation is also a BROAD range. Alpha and Beta aren't as bad as Gamma. Infrared is forms of radiation, as is the Microwave that cell towers use.

Pick your battles, you're more likely to be killed by stuff FED to your plants than what can be rinsed off.

"Radiation" gives you
a tan
vitamin D
genetic variation
a convenient EXIT sign
a smoke detector
Electricity that doesn't give you black lung disease.

And to those that propound about wind, water or solar. The sun is a big ball of fusion. It doesn't matter if your energy source is decomposed dinosaurs, or wind. The energy comes from the sun, a big ball of radioactivity.

Every metal you encounter was born in a star that went supernova. The carbon, oyxgen, nitrogen, beryllium, even gold. They may have been fused later, but the components always involved radiation. Turn on your TV to a station that you don't get and you're watching radiation

Radiation is more about Death From Above than it is about coming from Japan.

Excellently put.
 
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