Cannabis makes you dumber according to studies in New Zealand

[sumbrownkid]

Hitting your head on a wall for one hour a day makes you dumber too.

 

[nobuffalo]

In my experience 'during use' it certainly makes me a bit slower but the effects have never been irreversible. It just takes a little time to wear off depending on the amount consumed and the frequency of use, typically no longer than a good night's sleep and the time it takes to eat a hearty breakfast.

I'm not sure how this is news or why it matters. Nobody (edit: obviously some are) is condoning it for use in underage individuals. I didn't start smoking until the age of 19 but it was readily available by the time I entered high school, despite being illegal. Instead of smoking I chose alcohol which put me in many worse situations than weed ever has.

The only downside it has for me is the cost (which doesn't really matter as I'll waste my money on other crap) and how it does make me a little uncomfortable in social situations (partly due to the zap to my intellegience and partly due to the negative view the public has on it). There's also the risk of going to jail, crazy ****.

 

[Grayfox]

You really think that huh? Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Richard Branson, George Washington and Steve King have all taken cannabis.

And they'll think if I smoke I can invent the iHologram and be like steve jobs.

 

[Azuremen]

If you smoke cannabis you are stupid do start with so making a stupid person more stupid does not warrant much.

Please tell this to my friends who make 6 figures a year and/or have PhD's in Physics and Engineering. Or my father, mother, and numerous other members of my family.

You really should try to think a bit more before you put your foot in your mouth.

And they'll think if I smoke I can invent the iHologram and be like steve jobs.

Do you actually know anyone that thinks this way? Do you even know anyone that actually smokes that would somehow be better off if they didn't?

 

[MarcoM]

Do you even know anyone that actually smokes that would somehow be better off if they didn't?

Yes. In my neighborhood I have seen parrents walking young kids to school and then going directly to the coffeeshop getting a joint. 2 hours later I see them walking a bit stoned apparently. I consider that not responsible.

The neighbor above went from time to time mental in the flat were we lived. Also a regular custormer of the coffeeshops. At one time a van with 6 police men arrived. The neighbor was trying to access other appartments because he wanted to revenge the people who possible called for the police. I did too call for the police. I heard his wife and young kid crying a lot after hard hitting sounds (that was the reason for calling the police). He demolished several cars on the parking lot. He threw a heavy dumbbell from the 8th department to the ground floor.

Please note that I am not saying that it is bad for the people that you know. I am really glad it isn't. But you asked for examples.

 

[Strittan]

I haven't gone through the whole thread, but the way I see it, cannabis is no different than alcohol, except you smoke it instead of drink it.

 

[Azuremen]

Yes. In my neighborhood I have seen parrents walking young kids to school and then going directly to the coffeeshop getting a joint. 2 hours later I see them walking a bit stoned apparently. I consider that not responsible.

So they take their kids to school, and thus wait for them to be in the care of the teachers, before they relax with cannabis? And thus walking a touch stoned is being irresponsible when I see it as responsible to wait till their kids are at school.

Okay...

The neighbor above went from time to time mental in the flat were we lived. Also a regular customer of the coffeeshops. At one time a van with 6 police men arrived. The neighbor was trying to access other appartments because he wanted to revenge the people who possible called for the police. I did too call for the police. I heard his wife and young kid crying a lot after hard hitting sounds (that was the reason for calling the police). He demolished several cars on the parking lot. He threw a heavy dumbbell from the 8th department to the ground floor.

So, in your mind, Marijuana makes a person violent and crazed, when it very much has the opposite effect in most all cases?

I haven't gone through the whole thread, but the way I see it, cannabis is no different than alcohol, except you smoke it instead of drink it.

Basically. Though I'd say alcohol is more likely to induce measurable brain damage from a night of heavy drinking than marijuana will from a night of heavy smoking.

 

[Strittan]

Basically. Though I'd say alcohol is more likely to induce measurable brain damage from a night of heavy drinking than marijuana will from a night of heavy smoking.

Yeah, probably.

 

[TankAss95]

I'm steering clear anyway.

 

[MXH]

If you smoke cannabis you are stupid do start with so making a stupid person more stupid does not warrant much.

That's a perfectly valid claim. Are you just as condescending towards people who drink alcohol?

 

[alexlam24]

Well you would've been stupid to start with. If it's illegal, there's a reason

 

[sumbrownkid]

^and the reasoning behind weed's illegal stature is asinine. Remember how the prohibition made things worse crime wise? The same is happening, only most of the violence happens south of the border.

Want to know why it became illegal? Because some old crackpot paper tycoon (forgot his name) spread lies about weed making colored folk raping white women, and used false science to back up his claims. Our drug laws are criminal.

 

[Azuremen]

Well you would've been stupid to start with. If it's illegal, there's a reason

At one point it was illegal for coloreds and women to vote as well. It is still illegal for gays to marry in some places, alcohol is still illegal in parts of the world, women can't drive in some countries, and many other laws.

I'm sure there are "good" reasons for those as well

^and the reasoning behind weed's illegal stature is asinine. Remember how the prohibition made things worse crime wise? The same is happening, only most of the violence happens south of the border.

Want to know why it became illegal? Because some old crackpot paper tycoon (forgot his name) spread lies about weed making colored folk raping white women, and used false science to back up his claims. Our drug laws are criminal.

Pretty much. Even the most cursory reading about propaganda and policy back then will quickly reveal the absurdity of it all.

 

[Maccer_42]

What a silly study and such a waste of time and money for 20 years, they could probably get similar results replacing weed with using facebook or twitter 4 hours a day 4 times a week.

Regardless of if weed does make you dumber, why does that matter? It seems like this was a study done to try and prove it's a good thing that weed is illegal, people should have the choice of what they wish to put into their bodies if it makes them dumber or more intelligent doesn't matter, as long as they don't harm others while doing it they should be allowed to do so.

 

[MarcoM]

So, in your mind, Marijuana makes a person violent and crazed, when it very much has the opposite effect in most all cases?

No, I did not say that. I put that as an example that it can go wrong badly.

But again, I am happy for you that you experience the good effects. Just don't deny other's experiences or opinions. Thank you.

 

[Azuremen]

No, I did not say that. I put that as an example that it can go wrong badly.

Except you have nothing besides anecdotal evidence linking that tenants violence and behavior to cannabis. It is a very poor attempt at cause and effect with huge assumptions and leaps of reasoning.

Would be like stating that a man who beats his family, who is a frequent patron at hookah bars, indicates that nicotine can lead to extreme violence. With no understanding of the other possible factors or conditions.

I have no issue respecting people's opinions when they are built in a reasonable way.

 

[MarcoM]

Except you have nothing besides anecdotal evidence linking that tenants violence and behavior to cannabis.

You asked for examples a day ago. I provide them and you try to diss me. 👎

 

[MarcoM]

wrong edit

 

[Azuremen]

You asked for examples a day ago. I provide them and you try to diss me. 👎

Let me repeat myself, more clearly.

You're example isn't an example. It is a correlation-causation fallacy, which are incredibly common in this kind of discussions, and you've made in the Legalization thread as well.

 

[MarcoM]

I see a patern. You are pro, I am against. We agree to disagree. Now move on.

 

[Danny]

Anecdotal evidence isn't a measurable variable. It varies on a case-by-case basis by it's very nature.

Totally doesn't count as evidence.

 

[Famine]

I see a patern. You are pro, I am against.

Yes, and it seems to be "choice and freedom".

 

[nobuffalo]

Yes, and it seems to be "choice and freedom".

A much more important measurement of intellegience, in my opinion.

 

[MatskiMonk]

So, are there any cannabis users here who care to the list the drawbacks of using?

 

[lbsf1]

So, are there any cannabis users here who care to the list the drawbacks of using?

Very occasional user here.

Drawbacks for me are:

Risk of getting caught by the fuzz.
Having to deal with chavs who deal the cannabis.
Sometimes whiteing (feeling abit nauseous) if you smoke it to much and too quickly.

I haven't noticed any other downsides since using, no loss of intelligence, no physosis (sp) or paranoia. The only problem with cannabis round my area is the number of chavs doing it to be "badman" and a stoned chav is just slightly more annoying than a non stoned chav.

 

[Azuremen]

So, are there any cannabis users here who care to the list the drawbacks of using?

While under the effects memory creation and access are generally impaired. Varies from person to person though, and the nature of the topics - I knew guy that aced every physics exam he took while baked out of his mind. I generally have issues drawing some connections when working with math and logic that I'm not familiar with.

I still function at a much higher level when stoned versus drunk though. Alcohol also tends to result in more emotional and violent responses from people than cannabis as well, which tends to make people more relaxed on issues. It was always more enjoyable to serve and deliver to stoners than drunks when I worked food service jobs.

As for perception and creativity, I find some of my most artistic photography has happened while I've been partaking in herb. My more technical work is the result of being sober. I think the influence allows me to worry less about technical details and focus more on the "texture" of a scene.

 

[Pagey279]

So, are there any cannabis users here who care to the list the drawbacks of using?

When I smoke it (a couple of joints a month) my co-ordination feels as though I've got a few pints of cider down me. I'm a little unsteady on my feet but nothing too alarming.

Sometimes I get a little light headed when I stand up, but I'm fine whilst seated. I guess for me the effects aren't too dissimilar to being drunk, but it's also completely different. Because as I said I have similar symptoms to that of being drunk, but at the same time I feel in control.

Also I have greened before, the first time I tried it I smoked too much. I went really pale, felt as though I was going to throw my guts up if I stood. And was really shaky and weak.

Another drawback, around 10 minutes after I finish the joint, I notice a distinct lack of crisps.

Those are the short term effects, I haven't noticed any long term.

 

[Antonisbob]

Yea well you'd have to be stupid in the first place, so no harm done.

 

[Grayfox]

Risk of getting caught by the fuzz.

Even if you had not smoked for a few weeks, the drug is still in your system and it is illegal in most places to drive while under the influence.

 

[MarcoM]

Anecdotal evidence isn't a measurable variable. It varies on a case-by-case basis by it's very nature.

Totally doesn't count as evidence.

I assume you understand that applies to both sides.