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- MSTER232
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That is a very good Supra drawing that you have done there and I especially like the underglow bars that you have added onto the car. The wheels do look a little bit cartoon-ish but I guess that is okay.
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Cheers Icarus 👍.
Finally got around to finishing the VW ice cream T'shirt design, it could have been better if i knew how to do halftone dots (something i need to learn), would look even nicer if it were 6 colour, as my boss would have printed it in CMYK, but the customer only wanted 4 colour due to cost and my boss won't do anything in CMYK unless it's 6 colours or more.... (even though CMYK is 4 colours), shame really as i wanted to go to town on the design with airbrushy looks and shadows/highlights, also dropped the Shaka hand-sign as it didn't tie-in well enough with the custom graf style text (space issue).
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Finally got around to finishing the VW ice cream T'shirt design, it could have been better if i knew how to do halftone dots (something i need to learn), would look even nicer if it were 6 colour, as my boss would have printed it in CMYK, but the customer only wanted 4 colour due to cost and my boss won't do anything in CMYK unless it's 6 colours or more.... (even though CMYK is 4 colours), shame really as i wanted to go to town on the design with airbrushy looks and shadows/highlights, also dropped the Shaka hand-sign as it didn't tie-in well enough with the custom graf style text (space issue).
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I know, but can't figure out how to do dot gradients.
MSTER.
Well, it is a colour rendering of the original pencil sketch... so i'm guessing you mean shadows/shading etc, and no particular meaning behind the Dub scoop thing... does it have any special meaning to you?
Overall i hear you both, but the customers happy with it... it's just frustrating that i know with a bit more knowledge of Photoshop, i could of made it sooo much better.
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Yes that's exactly what i mean... unfortunately i don't possess Illustrator.
If i was to add shadows/gradients by use of burn tool etc, it would mean my boss has to shell out extra money to some guy he knows who can convert them into dot gradients, my boss can do colour separations, but doesn't know how to do the dot thing unfortunately.
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- MSTER232
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I know, but can't figure out how to do dot gradients.
MSTER.
Well, it is a colour rendering of the original pencil sketch... so i'm guessing you mean shadows/shading etc, and no particular meaning behind the Dub scoop thing... does it have any special meaning to you?
Overall i hear you both, but the customers happy with it... it's just frustrating that i know with a bit more knowledge of Photoshop, i could of made it sooo much better.
No special meaning, it's just that I was listening to dubstep when I read that
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Cano
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Nice work with those pencil gradients, the polished surfaces look pretty convincing. There is some stuff here and there that's a bit off like the F40s rear tire, but most of it is pretty good.
Altough, I have to point out, if you're not going to contextualize your drawing, you really want to avoid drawing reflections that indicate stuff that isn't there in your drawing but is in the picture you copied it from, like the other Ferrari in the F40s rear quarter.
Altough, I have to point out, if you're not going to contextualize your drawing, you really want to avoid drawing reflections that indicate stuff that isn't there in your drawing but is in the picture you copied it from, like the other Ferrari in the F40s rear quarter.
- 487
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- CScropduster06
I appreciate the feedback. Personally I can see where you're coming from with the reflections, but I like adding every detail in the photo. I guess I feel like it looks more real when you copy everything exactly. I'm sure that this will be drilled out of me in college art classes though. But if you stick to rules too much it's hard to stand out, right?
And the rear tire is a lose lose situation, it looks funny. But again it's the perpective of the entire car thats distorted. Now if you mean on the shading, I'd love to hear if you have some specific advice to make it not look so "out of place"
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Then put it in the middle of a Ferrari show so there can be other cars around it and the reflection has a reason to be there. Or just add another gradient like the one in the rear quarter of the GT40 and be done with it. Study photos, see how the light works in the metal and fixing these problems off your own pencil, not copying them from somewhere, will be easier and will improve your pictures a lot.
And the rear tire is a lose lose situation, it looks funny. But again it's the perpective of the entire car thats distorted. Now if you mean on the shading, I'd love to hear if you have some specific advice to make it not look so "out of place"
The light is good, altough maybe it's a bit too bright, I know slicks look like that but I think it needs more black. I also know the picture is distorted because of the lens used to take the picture, but I think I found what strikes me as odd of the wheel/tire combo, it's the perspective of the spokes (and the fact that one is severely off). Can you post the source pic?
Cano
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It is indeed fat. Also, the lower part of the tire is fatter than... well, everywhere else. And the white line separating it from the ground looks... out of place. I mean there is absolutely no light there. Your black tire should merge with the black floor. If you eliminate that white line, it will look so much better. You could also exagerate the proportions of the inner lip of the wheel in order to give it more deepnes. And the bright highlights of the tire are deffinitely too white.
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- CScropduster06
- 487
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- CScropduster06
Hmm, well I'm not a cartoonist so they look good to me.
But I'd like to see some realism. You're points were valid, I'll give you that. But it's conveniant to be the expert and pick people apart behind the keyboard. Just like anything, its easy to say "just do this" but to actually do it is a different task entirely.
BUT, your eagle eye will make my drawing better haha.
But I'd like to see some realism. You're points were valid, I'll give you that. But it's conveniant to be the expert and pick people apart behind the keyboard. Just like anything, its easy to say "just do this" but to actually do it is a different task entirely.
BUT, your eagle eye will make my drawing better haha.
Cano
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mmmh... I'll have to look for a realistic drawing. It has been a while since I last did one, with references and such. Be aware, though, that I don't copy stuff anymore like you, I'm well past that stage in my art. Now I only use pictures as references. You'll have to wait for me to find a realistic drawing and scan it. I recently did a 1970 Camaro for a friend that's restoring one, let me find it... assuming my scanner still works. I'll get back to you on this, as I don't have anything remotely realistic on the internet right now.
I do point out stuff like that because that's stuff I've learned with time and practice, and because I am also a photographer, so I know how light works on a car.
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- CScropduster06
http://500px.com/CCSImages
Though I'm no pro.
Past that stage? Little arrogant. I make decent money doing commissions, and am booked through Christmas with a dozen projects for people. I do work without photo references too, if I can get those scanned properly I will post them.
Not my work, but a photo ref. WAS used. I'd say he knows what he's doing.
Though I'm no pro.
Past that stage? Little arrogant. I make decent money doing commissions, and am booked through Christmas with a dozen projects for people. I do work without photo references too, if I can get those scanned properly I will post them.
Not my work, but a photo ref. WAS used. I'd say he knows what he's doing.
Cano
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Not arrogance at all, but copying stuff severely limits what you can do, so I now work with just references... when I need to do stuff like that. But now I mostly do cartoon stuff, photoshop or photography; whenever I can make a drawing ffor myself I almost always end up with some cartoon.
Besides, I do not find any appeal in copying a piture to other media. I'd rather have the picture. I prefer art to be more stylish and extreme, to portrait stuff that a picture can't. That's why I really never delved into extreme realism... if I wanted, for example, that lambo, I'd rather have the studio pic.
EDIT: Saw the link, I thought you had more drawings there, haha
For photography, click on the flick in my sig.
Besides, I do not find any appeal in copying a piture to other media. I'd rather have the picture. I prefer art to be more stylish and extreme, to portrait stuff that a picture can't. That's why I really never delved into extreme realism... if I wanted, for example, that lambo, I'd rather have the studio pic.
EDIT: Saw the link, I thought you had more drawings there, haha
For photography, click on the flick in my sig.
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Fair enough. Everyone has a different idea and taste in art. I have a creative side too, and I will admit that I want to work on that aspect. I draw a lot of portraits for people and that's what sells so that's what I do. Another big one is creating tattoo designs, I've done four in the last two months. And have two more to do now. So I have a taste for stylized pieces also.
I just wouldn't say one art style is better than another, because that really comes down to individual taste:tup:
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It might be because I am also a photographer, so if I really want to get ahold of reality I'll just go snap it. When drawing, even if I want to givr a car a flair of realism, I'll never go as all-out as, say, the Lambo guy. I'd simply be bored to death trying to replicate all that suff with a pencil. I'm sure the rewards and self satisfaction would be big-time, but I don't think I'd enjoy the process.
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CCXRacer, i really like your drawing 👍, i can tell there's a lot of effort put into it, (and quite rightly) i can tell you're quite proud of it (i probably would be too).
However, it's far from perfect... Before i even start to criticise your work, i will point out that i'm no expert myself (people must be sick of hearing me say that
), but i believe i can still raise some valid points about your F40 drawing.The main one for me is the tonal values... i feel the car should have been darker, because at the moment, when i compare it to the real photo, your drawing appears to be a bit more shinier. Although there is reflection and shine in the real photo, Ferrari F40's are famous for their thin paint finish... (IRL the carbon/kevlar weave can be seen through it because it's so thin). I think where you've over-emphasized the reflection of the F355 (or whatever it is) on the rear flank, just gives the impression of the drawing having a high gloss finish... if you look at the photo, the reflection is nowhere near as dark compared to it's surroundings, it's actually fairly faint and blends in a bit more.
Another thing is the front, i think in your drawing it's far too light (again, referring to tonal value), the front bumper is actually quite flat in colour/darkish tone, whereas in your drawing it appears highly reflective, i know the reflections are there and exist in the photo... but again, they are far lighter and blend in more to the dark tone.
Another area i feel is inaccurate is the bottom sill... the top edge of it appears to be on a different plain to the thin black dividing strip that runs the entire length of the car, i can understand why the mistake is present.. as the bottom edge does curve, but i feel you've carried that over into the upper edge too much.
The final thing i feel that's not quite right, are what Cano has already pointed out.. the wheels, i wont go into detail as i feel you've already realised this yourself.
Overall, i fully appreciate what you say about: "just do this, but to actually do it is a different task entirely"... I know it's never as simple as that, and i still think your work is really good. Though i think we should be our own worst critics at times, and never be entirely satisfied with what we produce.
I've said it before and i'll say it again: "We're all at our own specific level of drawing talent", so really i guess the best judges are our selves.
On a final note (sorry for the wall of text mini essay
).I think i tend to agree with Cano to a certain extent, in what he says about that he feels beyond that stage/style of drawing... don't get me wrong i'm not really knocking photorealistic drawings of photo's, i realise it takes a lot of time and skill... i just feel it's easier to copy something from a photo than use the creative mind.
As for that really nice Lambo drawing.. i can think of several artists on GTP who could also achieve that same level and standard of drawing (i won't name them as they know who they are already, i also think given some time and practice your drawings will be at that standard too), but me personally, as much as i admire that style, i'd much rather see creative drawings (concepts/car-toons etc, even paintings).
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Sorry in advance if you think i'm singling you out for criticism, i admit it's a rarity for me to be so critical, but please don't be offended that iv'e taken exception to critique your work, as for what it's worth (even though my opinion holds no weight) i still think you're extremely talented.
