Chances of Porsche in GT6

[raven214]

No way, thats horrible.

What they SHOULD do is use RUF cars, like they already do. ( Oh GOD PD!)

RUF has awesome cars that I would'nt mind one bit instead of having Porsche models.

This times 1000! It's very disappointing that we still have no new/premium RUFs. It is the best option PD has and I can't figure out why they aren't taking advantage of it, besides the old goto answer: because PD.

 

[Yellowbyrd]

This times 1000! It's very disappointing that we still have no new/premium RUFs. It is the best option PD has and I can't figure out why they aren't taking advantage of it, besides the old goto answer: because PD.

Obviously I'm especially unhappy about this

 

[occasionalracer]

This times 1000! It's very disappointing that we still have no new/premium RUFs. It is the best option PD has and I can't figure out why they aren't taking advantage of it, besides the old goto answer: because PD.

: because GT7! At this stage I believe they're withholding any further standard to premium vehicles to put on PS3. Also maybe they have deliberately kept RUF's standard to not provoke Porsche to think that Sony/PD thinks 'good enough RR's/thanks for the Porsche chassis' and kind of hope it invites Porsche to change their mind drop the exclusivity balony.

It boggles the mind that EA thinks anybody would buy the NFS games ONLY because it has the Porsche name and pay millions.. the game is not designed for true automotive enthusiasts and it's a shame that someone at VW Group is making such a terrible decision at the expense of a much greater representation to millions of gamers who truely care about proper driving/racing. Hopefully it happens within PS4's lifespan.

 

[dolande]

Someday...

Dude, you picked one of the worst looking race Porsche ever

 

[synchromesh]

Dude, you picked one of the worst looking race Porsche ever

In your opinion. I like it.

 

[dolande]

In your opinion. I like it.

 

[DSkywalker01]

Dude, you picked one of the worst looking race Porsche ever

Road car fanbois gonna road car fanboi.

Go play Forza Horizon please.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

Road car fanbois gonna road car fanboi.

Go play Forza Horizon please.

Not sure if serious or joking

 

[DSkywalker01]

Not sure if serious or joking

Meh, a little of both.

 

[raven214]

In your opinion. I like it.

I respect everyone's opinions on things like this - beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all. Personally, the front end looks really off to me. Too blocky for my tastes, but to each their own.

 

[Johnnypenso]

: because GT7! At this stage I believe they're withholding any further standard to premium vehicles to put on PS3. Also maybe they have deliberately kept RUF's standard to not provoke Porsche to think that Sony/PD thinks 'good enough RR's/thanks for the Porsche chassis' and kind of hope it invites Porsche to change their mind drop the exclusivity balony.

It boggles the mind that EA thinks anybody would buy the NFS games ONLY because it has the Porsche name and pay millions.. the game is not designed for true automotive enthusiasts and it's a shame that someone at VW Group is making such a terrible decision at the expense of a much greater representation to millions of gamers who truely care about proper driving/racing. Hopefully it happens within PS4's lifespan.

Need for Speed is the most successful video game racing franchise in the history of the world. You were saying?

PD has deliberately kept Rufs standard so as not to provoke Porsche in the hopes Porsche will drop the exclusivity? Can't tell if serious...

 

[silverman_GT]

Need for Speed is the most successful video game racing franchise in the history of the world. You were saying?

PD has deliberately kept Rufs standard so as not to provoke Porsche in the hopes Porsche will drop the exclusivity? Can't tell if serious...

If "standard" does mean "lack of interior" (note the already-high poly exterior), then why does the RUF cars in Driver San Francisco have modeled interior?

Surely Ubisoft wasn't thinking of the same thing, right? (or were they? )

 

[raven214]

If "standard" does mean "lack of interior" (note the already-high poly exterior), then why does the RUF cars in Driver San Francisco have modeled interior?

Surely Ubisoft wasn't thinking of the same thing, right? (or were they? )

Ubisoft /= PD. I'm not sure I understand the point here? IRacing also has detailed RUFs for what it's worth.

 

[gaije]

Ubisoft /= PD. I'm not sure I understand the point here? IRacing also has detailed RUFs for what it's worth.

We could make a whole list of games that has interior in RUF but im tired in seing ruf in every race sim just becuase EA is a big pile of selfish kids. The only car game they make is NFS wich is the moste arcade racing game ever and when they tried to make a sim they failed

 

[ToyGTone]

^ Porsche is like Street racing, Acrade-ish Physics, cop chasing..etc "okay, make it exclusive for this game" (NFS)
Real Simulator, Closed road race, No of those arcade crap....etc "No, you not allowed to get it" (every single Racing simulation)

 

[occasionalracer]

Need for Speed is the most successful video game racing franchise in the history of the world. You were saying?

PD has deliberately kept Rufs standard so as not to provoke Porsche in the hopes Porsche will drop the exclusivity? Can't tell if serious...

As a franchise over the decades, yes, but look at where they have gone with it. I can't say I've played all the titles, especially since PS3 era, but I bought the Shift games and dropped them immidiately cause GT5 was miles ahead. Successful yes, but I think we all know it's plateaued in terms of technicality, that's why I was saying whoever races NFS for Porsche is.. umm.. to be nice, I'll just say loosing out.

It's a long shot to think that but I know PD has approched Porsche for sure, like Turn 10 had, what I'm saying is maybe PD deliberately haven't put a single premium RUF in as a kind gesture in hopes Porsche get back to them soon. I mean how much longer do they want to be the only car company left to sell their name exclusively, and to a now terrible racing game franchise?

 

[Johnnypenso]

As a franchise over the decades, yes, but look at where they have gone with it. I can't say I've played all the titles, especially since PS3 era, but I bought the Shift games and dropped them immidiately cause GT5 was miles ahead. Successful yes, but I think we all know it's plateaued in terms of technicality, that's why I was saying whoever races NFS for Porsche is.. umm.. to be nice, I'll just say loosing out.

It's a long shot to think that but I know PD has approched Porsche for sure, like Turn 10 had, what I'm saying is maybe PD deliberately haven't put a single premium RUF in as a kind gesture in hopes Porsche get back to them soon. I mean how much longer do they want to be the only car company left to sell their name exclusively, and to a now terrible racing game franchise?

If Porsche is willing to be associated with NFS on the gaming front I think its pretty safe to conclude that they don't take that association seriously when it comes to the brand so they probably could care less what PD or anyone else does with the Rufs or anything else.

 

[occasionalracer]

If Porsche is willing to be associated with NFS on the gaming front I think its pretty safe to conclude that they don't take that association seriously when it comes to the brand so they probably could care less what PD or anyone else does with the Rufs or anything else.

Yes, ans so what does that tell you? Porsche/Volkswagen AG hardly need the money being received from this partnership, the point is it's laughable the most successful brand in motorsport is being sold to kids and teenagers in an arcade-style game instead of a game where passionate motorsports fans are playing in a much more professional manner (when applicable).

I'm sure Porsche has been sent hate-mail about the issue and asked thousands of times what's wrong with them. I highly doubt that it's a profitable move for EA, ya they sell NFS games, but definitely not more because of Porsche, the funds just come straight from the sports games.

The fact we have RUF's as an alternative in the gaming world is of course just lucky. Anybody at Porsche with a straight mind knows what they are doing is a joke and I bet it's only a matter of time until Porsche arrives in GT and Forza again.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes, ans so what does that tell you? Porsche/Volkswagen AG hardly need the money being received from this partnership, the point is it's laughable the most successful brand in motorsport is being sold to kids and teenagers in an arcade-style game instead of a game where passionate motorsports fans are playing in a much more professional manner (when applicable).

I'm sure Porsche has been sent hate-mail about the issue and asked thousands of times what's wrong with them. I highly doubt that it's a profitable move for EA, ya they sell NFS games, but definitely not more because of Porsche, the funds just come straight from the sports games.

The fact we have RUF's as an alternative in the gaming world is of course just lucky. Anybody at Porsche with a straight mind knows what they are doing is a joke and I bet it's only a matter of time until Porsche arrives in GT and Forza again.

Based on my experience in GT5/6 lobbies, I doubt they'd be making the switch to the GT series because the fans are much more professional

You can't argue with success. EA has the Porsche license, they sell a ton of games, I'm sure they make a lot of money. Porsche probably looks at the sim driving/racing industry as just a game they way just about everyone outside of the sim driving/racing industry does. I think most of us on this side of the equation over emphasize our importance, relevance and influence outside of the game itself.

 

[occasionalracer]

Based on my experience in GT5/6 lobbies, I doubt they'd be making the switch to the GT series because the fans are much more professional

You can't argue with success. EA has the Porsche license, they sell a ton of games, I'm sure they make a lot of money. Porsche probably looks at the sim driving/racing industry as just a game they way just about everyone outside of the sim driving/racing industry does. I think most of us on this side of the equation over emphasize our importance, relevance and influence outside of the game itself.

I see you have no hope for GT, you didn't just say NFS online racing is roughly on par with NFS did you? I know you're comparing to "PC" racing, let's see how hardcore professional everybody is in pCars on PS4/XB1. There's always going to people not taking the racing 100% serious with good sportsmanship.

Again, I guarentee you NFS isn't selling because of Porsche, it's selling simply because of the type of game it is and it's fun for lots of people. I would also doubt GT would sell much more if Porsche was in.. it's the core game that counts. But clearly we see what importance almost all manufacturers see in a game like GT on a gaming console and it can't be denied it's a pretty good advertising platform.

Agreed that there's pretty low value to manufacturers in the driving/racing industry overall, but I believe what's really good is that Gran Turismo keeps heading in the direction with adding brand new models, Concepts and VGT like they have been and many more people will buy GT7 and wheel and enjoy the fun of racing and always have something new from the automotive world to test out.
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[RACECAR]

As a franchise over the decades, yes, but look at where they have gone with it. I can't say I've played all the titles, especially since PS3 era, but I bought the Shift games and dropped them immidiately cause GT5 was miles ahead. Successful yes, but I think we all know it's plateaued in terms of technicality, that's why I was saying whoever races NFS for Porsche is.. umm.. to be nice, I'll just say loosing out.

It's a long shot to think that but I know PD has approched Porsche for sure, like Turn 10 had, what I'm saying is maybe PD deliberately haven't put a single premium RUF in as a kind gesture in hopes Porsche get back to them soon. I mean how much longer do they want to be the only car company left to sell their name exclusively, and to a now terrible racing game franchise?

Why exactly would this be considered a "Gesture"? Are you suggesting that Porsche hates RUF, the very company they send those unmarked chassis to?

Yes, ans so what does that tell you? Porsche/Volkswagen AG hardly need the money being received from this partnership, the point is it's laughable the most successful brand in motorsport is being sold to kids and teenagers in an arcade-style game instead of a game where passionate motorsports fans are playing in a much more professional manner (when applicable).
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So you're saying people who play arcade-style games are automatically not Motorsports fans? You sure are doing a lot of labeling.

Based on my experience in GT5/6 lobbies, I doubt they'd be making the switch to the GT series because the fans are much more professional

You can't argue with success. EA has the Porsche license, they sell a ton of games, I'm sure they make a lot of money. Porsche probably looks at the sim driving/racing industry as just a game they way just about everyone outside of the sim driving/racing industry does. I think most of us on this side of the equation over emphasize our importance, relevance and influence outside of the game itself.

Exactly. We really need to stop with this foolish belief that we are on the same level of fans for Shooters, RPGs and other big genres. We're hardly anywhere close to having a major influence.

 

[2clicks]

It seems that the NFS devs have never stopped sucking up to Porsche ever since the release of Porsche Unleashed. They will see to it that PD are under their thumb with regards to the licensing unless they can pay their way out, like what T10 did. PD might have the notion that "EA are going to end up screwing us over in the long run, so why risk it?" New RUFs are probably the middle ground, which is a shame considering I would really like to drive those Porsche LMPs again.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Actually, I don't think I ever knew why EA bothered with an exclusive license with Porsche other than to just have something to brag about. I mean, it isn't like it would effect their sales much if they didn't have an exclusive contract with them right.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I have always been under the impression that the exclusive license deal was connected to the NFS Porsche Unleashed game [best NFS title to date] where they had nothing but Porsche cars.

It is a bit ridiculous that they have had that license now for 15 years or more and never made another version of that game. IMO most NFS titles since have been pretty much garbage and none of them comes close to Porsche Unleashed, no where near close.

 

[Cowboy]

There actually was a Porsche in gt3. It was just hidden in the games data.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I have always been under the impression that the exclusive license deal was connected to the NFS Porsche Unleashed game [best NFS title to date] where they had nothing but Porsche cars.

I figured that was the reason for the exclusive license in the first place, so they could model as many Porsches as they want, but I still wonder why they bother keeping the exclusive license for a long time afterwards. Not only is it just about pointless in my opinion, but it's also a waste of money (not that EA can't afford to waste money, but still).

 

[LeGeNd-1]

This is probably a naive point of view, but if you want Porsches in GT or any other game the best way you can help is by not buying any NFS or EA products. If EA goes bankrupt then the license will finally be freed. Despite the latest NFS games selling poorly it's gonna take something really major to bring down a company like EA though.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I see you have no hope for GT, you didn't just say NFS online racing is roughly on par with NFS did you? I know you're comparing to "PC" racing, let's see how hardcore professional everybody is in pCars on PS4/XB1. There's always going to people not taking the racing 100% serious with good sportsmanship.

No hope for GT? Not sure where you get that from. I have done very little online PC racing, that part you are assuming, but I do have vast experience in GT5 and GT6 and while there are some true professionals out there, your average GT pilot is far from it. I suspect it is the same on most game outside of well run, organized, league racing, PC or otherwise, with the possible exception of iRacing. If Porsche really cared about how their product was showcased in a racing game, I suspect that's where they'd look first. Obviously they don't, which is why they are in NFS, the highest bidder.

Again, I guarentee you NFS isn't selling because of Porsche, it's selling simply because of the type of game it is and it's fun for lots of people. I would also doubt GT would sell much more if Porsche was in.. it's the core game that counts. But clearly we see what importance almost all manufacturers see in a game like GT on a gaming console and it can't be denied it's a pretty good advertising platform.

You guarantee it based on what? Porsche is simply part of a whole package that apparently works for NFS. When the package stops working, they re-evaluate..now that I can guarantee. The game has it's fans, like GT has it's fans and iRacing has it's fans.

Is GT good advertising? Is any driving game good advertising? Are you aware the companies usually pay for advertising? Are companies paying GT for the privilege of being in the game?

Agreed that there's pretty low value to manufacturers in the driving/racing industry overall, but I believe what's really good is that Gran Turismo keeps heading in the direction with adding brand new models, Concepts and VGT like they have been and many more people will buy GT7 and wheel and enjoy the fun of racing and always have something new from the automotive world to test out.

Every game adds new models, it's the nature of the business. Arguably then, Forza is doing a much better job than GT in that regard I'm sure you'd agree:
http://forzamotorsport.wikia.com/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_5/Downloadable_Content

GT7 will sell well, there's still enough goodwill in the series to push a few million units in the first edition on the new platform.

This is probably a naive point of view, but if you want Porsches in GT or any other game the best way you can help is by not buying any NFS or EA products. If EA goes bankrupt then the license will finally be freed. Despite the latest NFS games selling poorly it's gonna take something really major to bring down a company like EA though.

Why take a negative approach? We should be petitioning PD/Kaz to bring Porsche to the series. EA going bankrupt will not necessarily reduce the price of the license in the future. GT is supposed to be the golden console driving sim, outbid the rest of the contenders for the license.

 

[occasionalracer]

Why exactly would this be considered a "Gesture"? Are you suggesting that Porsche hates RUF, the very company they send those unmarked chassis to?

I'm not suggesting Porsche hates RUF. I'm suggesting if Porsche gets the feeling PD and others are OK with having RUF's represent the beautiful Porsche chassis, it may give them the impression it's good enough. Wouldn't you think it'd be a bit of a turnoff if PD modelled 10 stunning premium RUF's and put them in GT7? I think there's a reason not a single RUF is HD, and I think the reason is they're sitting and waiting with respect for Porsche.

So you're saying people who play arcade-style games are automatically not Motorsports fans? You sure are doing a lot of labeling.

Totally saying that.. the likelyhood that those playing arcade-type of games for fun are also predominently playing GT or Forza or iRacing, pCARS, AC, Rfactor etc. where actual understanding of car behaviour and racing etiquette is required.. is low, At this stage Porsche has no place in NFS games and be enjoyed so much more in GT by gamers and motorsports fans. (the fact Logitech wheels may not be supported could be a bit of a blow though)

Exactly. We really need to stop with this foolish belief that we are on the same level of fans for Shooters, RPGs and other big genres. We're hardly anywhere close to having a major influence.

But we are heading in the right direction where the gap to reality is closing, the problem is many people don't want to spend money on a wheel and perhaps don't have the patience to get into racing at a more elite level.. I think and hope GT7 will set a great standard for more people to joinin The Real Driving Simulator world.

 

[occasionalracer]

No hope for GT? Not sure where you get that from. I have done very little online PC racing, that part you are assuming, but I do have vast experience in GT5 and GT6 and while there are some true professionals out there, your average GT pilot is far from it. I suspect it is the same on most game outside of well run, organized, league racing, PC or otherwise, with the possible exception of iRacing. If Porsche really cared about how their product was showcased in a racing game, I suspect that's where they'd look first. Obviously they don't, which is why they are in NFS, the highest bidder.

Ya, "highest bidder", which is sad because in the grand scheme of thing that money is almost worthless when they are asked at events like 24h Nürburgring why they're not in GT but in a kids game..

You guarantee it based on what? Porsche is simply part of a whole package that apparently works for NFS. When the package stops working, they re-evaluate..now that I can guarantee. The game has it's fans, like GT has it's fans and iRacing has it's fans.

Based on common sense, it's a couple top dog execs at EA who are thrilled to have the privilage of the exclusive license in their hands, what they've done with the brand is something both parties can be laughed at for knowing there are games with a much higher respect and reflection of the automotive world.. literally every other manufacturer sees this, so.. somethings wrong here.

Is GT good advertising? Is any driving game good advertising? Are you aware the companies usually pay for advertising? Are companies paying GT for the privilege of being in the game?

Every game adds new models, it's the nature of the business. Arguably then, Forza is doing a much better job than GT in that regard I'm sure you'd agree:
http://forzamotorsport.wikia.com/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_5/Downloadable_Content

GT7 will sell well, there's still enough goodwill in the series to push a few million units in the first edition on the new platform.

I've always wondered about this question and how it plays out, there's very little public information about what contracts like this look like, but I assume it's more often than not a mutal agreement where both parties happy to be helping each other.. and yes I believe sometimes PD even get's payed (lately) with some of those exclusive additions we have seen. It's definitely an advertising platform that can grow.. the fact GT6 has not sold stellar amounts is a little sad but we can hope PS4 will push this game like hotcakes and even more people are exposed and appreciate all the great things PD has done and are doing.