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Changes to GT Auto or New Features.
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What we want is getting rid of the longest loading time menu of the game. Aero, rims, etc. can go into "tuning" altogether, without animations if that means getting lower loading times.
And half of GTauto features are extremely annoying, not "realistic". It takes about 5 minutes to change oil (and restoration in general) if you are in an online lobby and want to take the fgt for a walk, and that happens with every single standard car (more than 800) and will eventually continue to happen with all cars (premiums included) over and over and over.
It is not farfetched to say I have spent more time on the menus than playing the game. That's insane.
Remove GTauto, restoration (including oil) and do some cleaver menu design and that will be reduced to 10% while still being Gran Turismo.
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You want realism? Let's have it take days/weeks/months to have your car repaired and to do modifications like it does in real life. Until your car is done, you will be stuck using something else. GT will definitely be untouchable in realism then.
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Sorry, can't drive it because the free roam menu road is icy, and can't drive around at working hours anyway. GTTaxes too.
If I could decide 1 (one) thing in which PD could use my input it would be the menus, and by that I mean everything that is involved into making GT6 a lot less frustrating, annoying and time wasting than GT5.
I sincerely don't understand how they went from the awesome GT1 menus to what we have now. It must have been a new employee or something, because who on his right mind thinks it is right having a pseudo mandatory oil change and restoration in a videogame or that watching the same animations 1000+ is fun.
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Ok. I can agree with that. It should take a longer time for your vehicle to be finished with engine overhaul, chassis overhaul, etc... but not everything takes as long as you're saying it is. I could go outside right now & put a new exhaust on my GTI in about 30-45 minutes. I wouldn't take me days or weeks to install new parts. I have about 1200 cars in GT5. I wouldn't mind driving something else while one of my cars is in the shop.
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How is that fun, especially in a videogame.
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@hobanator: I was actually being sarcastic but if that's your idea of a fun game, more power to you. I personally would lose all hope for GT if that were to happen.
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GT Auto does not teach you how or when to change oil. It does not teach you how to paint a car (in fact, the system as it is now is completely at odds with reality). It does not teach you how to change wheels on a car, or what happens when you do so. Even when you change your body kit, the GT Auto system is needlessly restrictive (spinning, uncontrolled camera that you can only sort of manipulate to see different angles).
All it does is add (annoying, unavoidable) window dressing and complexity to basic customization.
You cannot learn how to fit an exhaust or carry out any automotive maintanence by pressing a button in a videogame menu and watching a dodgy animation of someone carrying out the task. If it does there is a lot of people laying under their cars and getting a face full of oil.
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My proposal is as follows, abolish the Tuning Shop and the maintenance section of GT Auto as all these things can indeed be done from the garage menu (and makes it easier to change oil online to name just one example) as it can be done in a garage in real life too.
Keep one section (let's call it GT Auto for the sake of convenience
) for everything regarding visual/optical customization which might be more helpful judging the appearance of a car than the garage screen.Here you can add wheels/wings and whatnot and paint/add livery to the car and see the car in different light settings (like the dealership) and where the preview actually includes seeing the paint applied on the actual car before finalizing it.
I'd like to see the paintchip system changed too, every paint from every car included should be available in a selection screen to purchase (not collect) from the start and additional to that a function where you can create your own custommade paint like every other driving game (not replacing the paintchips entirely as I really like the option to use existing paints).
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I'm not saying it teaches you how to do these things, but it teaches you that these things are necessary in life & come at a cost in order to maintain & care for your car. I was one of the lucky ones that had a father to teach me proper car care at an early age. It's terrible that most students in schools don't get to learn this stuff due to lack of shop classes in schools (at least where I'm from). & most people can't afford to go to a trade school. But GT at least teaches you the values of regular maintenance.
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Since when GT is a life school. I'd say it does the opposite by making new drivers crash (there are some studies and articles about that btw).
Again, it is not something fun to do nor insightful nor realistic.
Do you play videogames to do your virtual cars pseudo mandatory maintenance? Don't you appreciate the huge amount of hours we wasted in GT5 due to those menus and others?
It's a game, for fun. Any idiot knows you have to maintain your car and since GT can't teach you HOW you maintain your car it's not going to serve much point. You seem to be forgetting that the younger generation are the most impatient gamers, they want to get on any play the games. If you force them to carry out maintanence they're not going to pay attention to what they're virtually doing, they're just going to click everything until it's done. Do you think most people know or care what is happening when you restore a chassis? No, they just do it because they know it makes their car better.
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Well I actually do care about these kinds of things. I really do hope that GT Auto stays & becomes more advanced in future GT titles. And if GT6 is released on PS4, maybe the loading times won't be as long on a next gen, more advanced console. & I can understand not wanting to watch certain things such as an overhaul or oil change. It's amusing the first few times but it does get boring quite fast. But if people don't take an intrest in maintaining ones car, then in 5 or 10 years time, we are at the mercy of overcharging mechanics. GT Auto I feel helps capture at least some of that intrest.
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Is it really? Well I know plenty of people that go to places like Firestone & Jiffy Lube for routine maintenance & end up getting ripped off. Thankfully, most of my friends now talk to me or do the work themselves before going to a mechanic. My friend took her Mercedes to Jiffy Lube for an oil change, got charged $40, and her car didn't run any better. After she told me, I took a look at her car & found out that the Didn't even change the oil. It just shows how most of these people take advantage of someone if that person knows very little about cars. I'll admit, there are some honest mechanics out there, but most of them can't be trusted. I almost got in a fist fight at Firestone because the mechanic working on my parents truck, didn't know how to fix a simple problem. So they are not only untrustworthy, but also complete morons
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Other people can continue this, so I'm just going to say that the GT series is not a educative games franchise. Also GT5 has several misconceptions on the tuning and maintenance side, and in the end every single person in the world that buys a car knows you have to fill them with gas (which GT5 does not say) and change oil (which a game cannot teach you how to do).
I'll repeat myself. If you go to google (1 second) you'll see the GT and NFS series have caused more harm than good on teaching people about cars. I'd go as far as saying both have indirectly killed people, which is why both say at the very beginning that it is a fictional game so everything featured there shouldn't be done in real life....and that includes changing oil every 5 seconds.
I'll repeat myself. If you go to google (1 second) you'll see the GT and NFS series have caused more harm than good on teaching people about cars. I'd go as far as saying both have indirectly killed people, which is why both say at the very beginning that it is a fictional game so everything featured there shouldn't be done in real life....and that includes changing oil every 5 seconds.
How would GT help in that particular situation?
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GT5 doesn't say you have to fill your car with gas? Have you heard of something called a fuel gauge? It's this little gauge on the botton left of your in race screen that says whether or not you need fuel. even when you pit, it gives you an estimate of how many liters you will need to complete the race. As far as I know, you only need to fill your car when driving it. not during menu screens. And as for the 'Not an educative series' comment, I suppose the museum cards feature, detailed vehicle descriptions & lisence tests are all for fun? You really need to think about what your saying before you say it.
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No I meant in that exact situation you gave with your friend getting (or not) an oil change. How would GT help her not get conned there? Is she supposed to drain the oil herself and notice it's old/dirty, just like it is in GT? Oh but wait she wouldn't know how to because GT doesn't actually show you how to drain the oil or where the sump plug might be. A man just rolls under a car and it automatically happens.
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Well I just mean that people should try to do it themselves by looking up the proper procedure, or come to a reliable, trustworthy friend like myself first. I'm not saying GT tought me how to do an oil change, but it did encourage me to do the task on my own & save me $40 at a garage. I actually changed her oil for no charge, & now she knows to go to me first.
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I don't think the aim of a videogame like GT should be (or is) to teach or remind people to perform mundane real life tasks, it's there to simulate the exciting parts of cars and car ownership as realistic as possible without the chores of real life.
It's also strange to assume people in general are unable to make a distinction between fantasy and reality themselves or that a game would even be able (nevermind whether it's desirable) to have that educating effect in the first place.
I doubt the First Person Shooter genre would be very popular if it included things like eating, sleeping, boredom and lying in a hospital until you recover.
People mostly just want the action aspect of war as realistic as possible, not the downsides which they are perfectly aware of most of the time.
If we had to depend on videogames for education, even when it only concerns additional info, then I'm afraid it isn't only overcharging mechanics in the near future you have to worry about.
It's also strange to assume people in general are unable to make a distinction between fantasy and reality themselves or that a game would even be able (nevermind whether it's desirable) to have that educating effect in the first place.
I doubt the First Person Shooter genre would be very popular if it included things like eating, sleeping, boredom and lying in a hospital until you recover.
People mostly just want the action aspect of war as realistic as possible, not the downsides which they are perfectly aware of most of the time.
If we had to depend on videogames for education, even when it only concerns additional info, then I'm afraid it isn't only overcharging mechanics in the near future you have to worry about.
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I somewhat agree with you. Although that was the object of GT in the first place; to blur the lines between virtual and reality in not just visual aspects, but also in characteristics. I wouldn't mind if they moved GT Auto & the tuning shop to the garage menu, because so far, the only performance parts you can't do from the garage menu is weight & engine upgrades. But getting rid of it altogether is crazy. If you get rid of oil changes & overhauls, you might as well get rid of tire changes and fuel consumption. I recall Jeremy Clarkson testing a Honda NSX in GT4 on Laguna Seca & trying to match it in real life. He said he couldn't beat it due to the lack of brake fade & the fact that he used an NSX-R in GT4, but not on the actual track.
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