Chase for NASCAR Sprint Cup S2 Champs: RFLX_Niop, Hendrick, Chevy

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MustangRyan
That is absolutely not true. Races have been won before by drivers that were caught up in accidents. Daytona is actually the best place to make up track position, you just need three or more cars and the willingness to work together to get back up there.

Also, I firmly believe that cautions breed cautions. You put the whole group that just wrecked right back together, and they'll wreck again. There were zero consequences from their first accident.
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I don't think the 'cautions breed cautions' argument really applies to this group, we could, and have, run in a pack for a long period of time without a wreck. Everybody is unbelievably clean and knows when to back down in the pack. And there is really a consequence of the first accident, five + cars are half a lap behind and have had their tyre strategy altered by spinning and wearing them out.
 
MustangRyan
That is absolutely not true. Races have been won before by drivers that were caught up in accidents. Daytona is actually the best place to make up track position, you just need three or more cars and the willingness to work together to get back up there.

Also, I firmly believe that cautions breed cautions. You put the whole group that just wrecked right back together, and they'll wreck again. There were zero consequences from their first accident.
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Yea I got wreck by ace's car go in the wall and i got no drafting partner to get back up.
 
You all make good points n my other league uses them and it really does throw the strategy out the door. And cautions can breed cautions for drivers with no set strategy. I like how we have no cautions. It puts an emphasis on tunes, tire wear, skill and strategy. With cautions you only need a decent tune and some skill. I have won more than my share of races that were under caution because I took full advantage of the offset in strategies. And have done this many times. Ask dowhat n mudd. They will agree :lol: but funny thing is when you are the one wrecked, you would wish for a caution. Eitherway racing happens and I'm to the point where I'm confident in this groups ability. And an accident is just a tiny mistake. That's what I like about our group. You gotta be perfect to win. No one can just show up here n win with no practice or strategy in place.
 
SUfan21
Perhaps you could outlaw pitting under cautions?
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It's not even the pitting, it's making up lost track position when you clearly shouldn't.

Imagine if we had cautions this past Saturday.

Furi and Rflx wreck after our first stop, and a caution comes out. Rflx and I have pitted, have fresher tires, and we need less fuel on our last stop than those who have yet to stop (everyone else).

Even if the leaders stop under caution, they still have to stop again because of the number of laps remaining to get tires. We just got back in the race, and now have the best chance to win, when we didn't deserve to be.

The only people that gain from this transaction are the guys that didn't deserve to.

If you think that teams wouldn't try to exploit this once, or wouldn't be at the very least accused of doing it in a case like was described above, then you're a lot less cynical than me.
 
I gotta agree with Ryan and Ken. I am strongly against cautions in this particular league.
 
These arguments all make sense if you assume that someone has been involved in a wreck because it's somehow their fault, or they have a lack of skill. Which clearly isn't the case. Personally I think it's a good idea and I mean this happens in real life, but what do the teams do? They adapt, improvise their strategy and make the best of a bad situation. In other words you have to work for the win, racing shouldn't be predictable, pit strategies shouldn't work out 100% of the time.

I can see whatever argument I put forward you're going to try and shoot it down regardless though :lol: No worries.
 
The bottom line is this, if we were to have any form of cautions implemented in this league, the cautions (or lack thereof) would always cause someone to get upset.

It's not possible for us to know during the race what caused a particular accident and whether or not it warrants a caution. I don't want any blame on a race's outcome blamed on cautions, because then arguments about favoritism will start, people wil get more upset, and people will rage quit.

Yes, our league does race very clean, but I believe that is a direct result of racing for two seasons without cautions to bail out drivers that make bad decisions. Yes, unlucky drivers sometimes get caught up in the crossfire, but that too is a part of real NASCAR. It's why we run light damage instead of full damage.
 
Yea and this is a game not real life. In real life you bet your a$$ there's cautions. Because of possible injuries and debris on the track. GT5 luckily doesn't simulate that, so there's no need. There is a game called NTG11 and they have cautions :lol: That and other things seperate our league from a typical nascar league. What other nascar league does road courses like us? Like the only people I ever see in open lobbies at suzuka east are drifters. What I'm saying is we are a rare and unique breed. We should keep it this way.
 
I'm 100% against cautions. Sure, sometimes they will help the unlucky guy who got caught up in someone else's wreck. But EVERY caution can potentially ruin a race for a driver or team who had the best strategy and was in route to a win. It's the thought of not running cautions that keeps us as clean as we are. If we run cautions, there will be alot more aggressive moves that will cause more wrecks.
 
I agree with that niop. Say after pit stop I'm behind and I start working a three car pack to gain time back to leaders. I would push as the third car and would have no fear. Because in the back of my mind I would know that if we wreck we will restart behind the leaders.

And BTW: IRL they are now hitting 194mph solo and 2 sec faster a lap solo (46.3) than they were last year. Which was 188mph and 48.3. That was very close to our regulations. Did we ever consider offsetting this to meet their times/speeds? Idc if we do, I would actually prefer we use our current regs. But it would make it interesting for owners in S3 to keep up with their homework.
 
I think we should use cautions in one situation and one situation only: Big Lag Wrecks. They dont happen all that often and would help offset the unfairness of lag incidents where 90% of the field is screwed over (case in point: Daytona 250)
 
SUfan21
I think we should use cautions in one situation and one situation only: Big Lag Wrecks. They dont happen all that often and would help offset the unfairness of lag incidents where 90% of the field is screwed over (case in point: Daytona 250)
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I have said before that I am completely OK with throwing one caution in the very first lap or two of a race where someone's obvious and severe lag causes a large accident.

In this case, the lagging driver would be asked to immediately leave. The field would be reformed, and restarted, with no pitting allowed. It would have to occur in the very first lap or two, before the field has had time to spread out and before any kind of different pit strategies had time to play out.

The lag experienced in the middle of the Daytona 250 still wouldn't get a caution under this criteria, because it was well after the start of the race, and all the cars on track were in very different places, both in track position and pit strategy. Once you get to accidents in the middle of a race, we're back to judgment calls on my part, and there's no way that I am always going to be able to verify whether or not the accident was caused by lag if I'm not always close enough to the accident to see it. The best policy here is one that is 100% consistent, and that is to not throw a caution for anything other than glaringly obvious lag in the first lap or two of a race.

It's going to be the responsibility of the other drivers on track to identify a lagging car, and ask the lagging driver in voice chat to safely clear the track.
 
Cowboys965
*Cue annual Jakob "may I join"*
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Don't encourage the lad.. *insert some run down depressed face*
 
By the way, for those that haven't noticed, you can get a sneak peek at our Season 3 thread here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=244859



Be sure to check out the posted schedule and format for the All-Star Race, and feel free to discuss them here for now. :)

Once this season is complete, the final results have been posted and discussed, and we have all of the new team owners in place, the new thread will be reopened and this thread will be locked. New driver signups/registrations, and new team owners announcing driver signings will take place in the new thread, once we get to that point.
 
MustangRyan
By the way, for those that haven't noticed, you can get a sneak peek at our Season 3 thread here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=244859



Be sure to check out the posted schedule and format for the All-Star Race, and feel free to discuss them here for now. :)

Once this season is complete, the final results have been posted and discussed, and we have all of the new team owners in place, the new thread will be reopened and this thread will be locked. New driver signups/registrations, and new team owners announcing driver signings will take place in the new thread, once we get to that point.
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Looks awesome man, especially the all star weekend. Great work 👍

EDIT: Oh there's one thought I've had, you could add a link to the website Chqr made? :)
 
And, have another page strictly for The Sprints, so we can update the nominations throughout the season so it's all in one place.

Also, I'm really hoping that S3 can be a 10:30 race start time, as I get so much grief around a 10:00 pm Saturday start, cutting into other people's weekend evenings. Waiting on Drops reply to this.
 
Love the S3 schedule. Are there any plans to do anything special with the highlighted crown jewel races?
 
Having to prioritise my practicing so I can practice for all my events this week. Wednesday is DTM at 2 tracks. Friday is IndyCar. Saturday is the TOCA 100 followed immediately by the Brickyard 500 here. DTM will get the least practice, then IndyCar, then TOCA, and then this gets the most.
 
TomMcD
Looks awesome man, especially the all star weekend. Great work 👍

EDIT: Oh there's one thought I've had, you could add a link to the website Chqr made? :)
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I'm currently waiting on updating the website for S3 until the Nationwide sign-up thread pops up. No point updating it just as the season's over.

EDIT: Fan vote for the All-Star Race entry for S3 xD?
 
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Chqr
I'm currently waiting on updating the website for S3 until the Nationwide sign-up thread pops up. No point updating it just as the season's over.

EDIT: Fan vote for the All-Star Race entry for S3 xD?
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I like the idea of the fan vote. But who's our fans :lol:??
 
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