You all forget to read the word OPTION. What difference would it make for you guys? Nothing. You still can play the whole game with the same level of realism and difficulty. What would change for hobbyists? They can learn to become good in a less frustrating way and get all rewards to may it be on a rookie level. Lets say you completed the rookie level, lets try normal and veteran etc etc. Thus this saying it wouldn't change anything gor you guys but be a great and more enjoyable help to many others. This scenario is called a win win.
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You have the OPTION to skip them or accept silver/bronze.
You have the OPTION to just enjoy the game the main actual game and come back to them later if you want.
You are target fixated and frustrated, the sensible thing is to say "nah, I'll come back to these and just enjoy the 99% of the rest of the game"
But again what you are asking for isn't practicable and results in hollow trophies for you, where you didn't earn them. They just become participation medals, and you are missing the point of them in the first place which is not the trophy, the credits or the time to beat they are there for you to practice and learn.
No like I said as they do in most fighting games. It is no fun when you play for the first time and get shot within a second each time you try a mission. So you start on a rookie level. I know how to drive as a hobbyist in GT7 since I am driving for 5 years now but NEVER even be able to complete the redbull or formula races and never will unless I make schemes and drive for 10 years more thus this part of the game is not for me. I never even got gold on ANY CE too. Maybe I am a slow driver then but I beg to differ. When I want to buy a car I need to grind on easier tracks for 10 hours etc etc. And that could all be fixed with an OPTION to lower the difficulty just a reasonable notch so a hobbyist can enjoy all races and all big rewards that come with CEs too.
I know and you are right but it is simply a debate over here. I am not mad or anything and I start by repeating for the fifth time, the game is awesome and deserves all credits.
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And I am a bit ashamed to post my driving skills. That is the result now the game caused. I feel inferior to almost everybody that plays this game because I even cant get all licenses, complete one formula race etc etc etc. Ok I still play on automatic with a controller for the last 5 years but hell do I need to olay 20 years more to at least be able to finish 3th in a F1 race?
Like I said I even can't finish 3th in ANY F1 race after 5 years of playing very often, like an hour or two, every day ...
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But GT7 is not a fighting game, you can do many different things in this game, that do not require to be good, that are accessible to beginners. It is not as if your only choice to access full content was to get gold on every license/CE.
The fact that the economy sucks is another debate. Missions, CEs and licenses would not change much on that matter even if you had an option to receive gold by lower the difficulty to whatever level you want.
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Me neither. And I don't get why it is an issue. It does not prevent me to have fun in this game nor to try to improve.
And it is the same for plenty games, I'll never have the level to be good at most, but as long as I am having fun... And if I don't have fun, there are plenty other games waiting for me.
Like I said I even can not complete all licenses in bronze ...
But you are right, there are missions, music rally, photo app etc etc That is why I love the game
I off course am having fun also. Otherwise this community would not exist. But it would be nice if you all comment on what would change for you guys if you implement the OPTION? Nothing. What would change for hobbyists? The option to learn in a less competing thus sometimes frustrating way. Win win thus
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I am not sure I can add more value to this discussion anymore:-) I understand the point, but I do not agree with it. And it is ok, we can agree to disagree. I like the game this way. The only thing I would love to see change is the “economy”. But even if it doesn’t change, I will accept it. I have set some goals and will do my best to learn and become very good at tracks that I care. All it all, just driving on-line with my brother is all I need. I have no expectations from life, but I strive to reach for the highest result in everything I care.
The game is awesome! I am grateful it exists!
The game is awesome! I am grateful it exists!
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Not sure 100% what you ask, but if you want to be able to get gold reward while you are currently unable to get bronze, for me it would mean that I'll rush all CEs to get credits and never come back, rendering CEs without any interest once the credits are harvested, and deprive me of a motivation to get better.
Licenses and CEs are here to help you learn how to drive, not to distibute participation medals and credits. And they offer lower enough thresholds so most players can validate them and not have their progression blocked when some event require some license.
If you've been playing everyday for 5 years and are unable to get bronze, you really should submit videos, so we can help you see what you can improve.
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It's a change that would affect very few people, and as a hobbyist why worry about getting medals in the first place?
You really need to stop looking at this 1 dimensionally and just realise that what you are suggesting which is one of the core learning mechanics in the game should ignore its entire purpose which is to teach a course to a good level to just be an automatic win.
I'm not going to post anything else on this thread but I ask you to self rationalise a little bit.
You say you are struggling doing some of the races and using some of the car classes. This is because you aren't "learning" as you play. Regardless of controller type or experience, it takes a certain level of learning as you go.
Imagine a scenario where cars or races are difficult so you barge your way passed the AI you win but you haven't learned any car control or the best way round a circuit. You then try a CE and aren't learning what it's teaching you and that is frustrating. It's a vicious circle at that point.
As a hobbyist I'd really suggest you focus on the game rather than intentionally curated mini games that are designed to be easy to approach but difficult to master.
Treat the CE as ultra hardcore death mode and play the "I just want fun" modes of the game.
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The more I read it the more I see that you did not understand game. You are frustrated for no objective reason and the solution to it is not what you will find on this forum.
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As people have told you many times now already, the option does not need to be implemented. It exists and it is called "bronze". Just imagine that when you do a CE, it does not show you "gold", "silver" and "bronze" labels but "hard", "normal" and "easy".
There is absolutely no need to feel inferior for only managing bronze, but IF you feel that way, why would that change if you had a switch to to make gold less hard? You would still know you're not competing at the very top level, and that's exactly what the medals communicate.
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I said I wasn't going to post anything again but for lurkers and everyone who wants to learn there is a Pinned Thread at the top of this forum...
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The central: HOW TO gold all licences, mission challenges and track experiences thread (video guides inside)
Hey guys, so I thought it would be nice having a single thread, where all input/help/videos/discussion would be stored. I think that could actually be a nice help for those, trying but still struggling to gold some of those challenges. Please post your runs of any of those challenges as well...
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Circuit Experiences (and licences) already offer different reward levels aimed at different skill levels. Bronze times in GT games have always been quite large, presumably to be as inclusive and encouraging as possible for new or less dedicated players.
Control methods aren't ever really a problem. I completed the hardest offline challenge in GT history - the Vettel time trials in GT5 - on a controller with automatic transmission.
If you're not able to beat target times in GT7 then it's your place to study, practice and improve as a driver. That's the point of motorsport and racing games. If you don't want to do that and just want to enjoy driving for its own sake, fine. Do that and stop worrying about the times.
Control methods aren't ever really a problem. I completed the hardest offline challenge in GT history - the Vettel time trials in GT5 - on a controller with automatic transmission.
If you're not able to beat target times in GT7 then it's your place to study, practice and improve as a driver. That's the point of motorsport and racing games. If you don't want to do that and just want to enjoy driving for its own sake, fine. Do that and stop worrying about the times.
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Everyone thinks he is godlike as a kid until proven otherwise.
On this forums, there are lots of people who will happily do the proving - or in nicer words: help you understand why and where you are so slow that you dont meet the current targets.
All this requires are 2 things: accepting you are slow + asking for help.
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I think you can do it even thinking you are fast. And then more experienced drivers will point out things you did not perceived and you will progress.
Although in this case Joey does not think he is fast/good or else.
But he could get help anyway, if he wants.
He won't get an "OPTION" to lower gold times though 😅
Off course I learned how to practise, I am a 47 year old musician playing guitar, piano, drums know how to sing, play a lot of gigs all over the world, teach children etc etc. Maybe you need to practise reading what people want to say. If you want to learn music for example I will ALWAYS use the method of succes and thus I never start with the notes or the musical Alphabet. And I will never start by handing you out 'Prokofiev Pianoconcerto'. Why? It is important as a (beginning) musician not to become frustrated. That does not mean some people want to learn that piece. So I always give you the option. I can call myself a good musician but I still can't play such a piece like it is written and I probably never will unless I play 16 hours piano a day. BUT there are a lot of simplified versions of that piece so even a 10 year old can learn how to play it and enjoy the melody of that piece. So back to the game it would thus be nice that somebody like me can at least FINISH every offline race in GT7 after countless times of practising. I already practised a hell of a lot like 2 hours a day every day and STILL can't even complete the race. So all I wanted to say, nobody needs to do anything, it is only a suggestion but it would be nice to give the option and nothing else just the option to lower the bar a little bit. So no need to lecture me about life or allude that I got everything without practising etc etc. You don't know me so don't judge as I didn't judge you before you did. It makes things less enjoyable and that is not the purpose of this community. It is a fact that 99,999 procent of all games have the option to finish everything at a rookie level. That is why nobody screams from the rooftop that he has finished Call of duty on a rookie level but few do on the hardest veteran level etc.
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If its a race you have the "option" to change the difficulty level in settings, if the lowest setting is still to hard to complete a race or win it then unfortunately you've either picked the wrong car or your driving needs improving.
If it's a race you can lower the difficulty, if its Circuit Experience then there's Bronze and Silver targets that are the "option to lower the bar", if you still can't get to this then there is clearly an issue with your driving.
You can spend hours practicing to nail two pieces of wood together with a banana... doesn't mean it's going to work, if you'r not using the right tools you can practice all you like for no real benefit.
GT7 has these options you keep trying to reference, the problem isn't the game, it's whatever car choice, racing line choice and/or braking and throttle application you are doing.
I'd advise uploading a video of your driving where people can help pin point areas where you can improve on.
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How does being talented in x equate being talented in y?
It doesnt necessarily do.
In this case being a musician doesnt mean you know anything about video game racing.
It only means you can play
Also, you age doesnt matter, there are people of younger and older who are both worse and better than you - in both being a musician as well as video game racing.
With these 2 facts, your wall of text has been reduced to:
"I dont want to accept the fact that the game Gran Turismo has an inherently higher difficulty level than I can handle with the effort I am willing to invest."
And that is as fine as it can be, because I cant do some other things I would like to do for various reasons, like playing sports because my physical fitness has had a rapid decline after hitting the age of 20.
But even before that I would never be able to compete at certian sports because I would have lacked the raw talent from the beginning.
But other than that, I really like doing hardmodes in video games of all sorts of things, and most of the time I dont consider them difficult while sometimes I do and accept defeat.
With a bit of research it would be possible to verify this claim, but I dont see you wanting to do this - and it doesnt matter at all.
