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[LSFDRX]

Off course I learned how to practise, I am a 47 year old musician playing guitar, piano, drums know how to sing, play a lot of gigs all over the world, teach children etc etc. Maybe you need to practise reading what people want to say. If you want to learn music for example I will ALWAYS use the method of succes and thus I never start with the notes or the musical Alphabet. And I will never start by handing you out 'Prokofiev Pianoconcerto'. Why? It is important as a (beginning) musician not to become frustrated. That does not mean some people want to learn that piece. So I always give you the option. I can call myself a good musician but I still can't play such a piece like it is written and I probably never will unless I play 16 hours piano a day. BUT there are a lot of simplified versions of that piece so even a 10 year old can learn how to play it and enjoy the melody of that piece. So back to the game it would thus be nice that somebody like me can at least FINISH every offline race in GT7 after countless times of practising. I already practised a hell of a lot like 2 hours a day every day and STILL can't even complete the race. So all I wanted to say, nobody needs to do anything, it is only a suggestion but it would be nice to give the option and nothing else just the option to lower the bar a little bit. So no need to lecture me about life or allude that I got everything without practising etc etc. You don't know me so don't judge as I didn't judge you before you did. It makes things less enjoyable and that is not the purpose of this community. It is a fact that 99,999 procent of all games have the option to finish everything at a rookie level. That is why nobody screams from the rooftop that he has finished Call of duty on a rookie level but few do on the hardest veteran level etc.

Nobody needs to "practice reading what people want to say". That's inference. You need to say what you want to say.

You have the options for easy/med/hard in offline races, you have bronze/silver/gold in the CEs and licenses, so what I guess you're saying is that you want PD to put in a completely different physics model for you? Or that you want sub-bronze goals? What you're saying is still very hard to grasp as your suggestions make no sense at all in the scope of how games and normal difficulty scales work. You can finish at a rookie level all you want, that's literally what easy/bronze is... nothing is stopping you aside from a skill issue that you seem to think isn't an issue and seemingly can't be improved. This is the game, this is how it is.

It is WILD to me that you, as a music teacher, are somehow suggesting that you've "practiced enough". When does anyone stop learning or stop refining their ability? You know who practices a lot? F1 drivers.... and they're some of the fastest drivers in the world. Yet they still know where their shortcomings are and know that they need more time practicing their skill to get better. Max Verstappen literally gets on SIM in his trailer right after many races... to PRACTICE more. You know another cohort that values life-long practice? MUSICIANS. When your music students are having trouble moving from a simplistic to more difficult rendition of a piece do you tell them "this is ridiculous, the artist should have written a simpler piece"?! No! They keep at it and work on it until they develop the skills to complete the piece to their satisfaction.

What you're arguing for is what the game already gives you... low skill options. "Simplified pieces" are the same as easy/bronze, and they literally are the same exact concept as playing a simplified music piece. The current low bars are 100% suitable for "beginners"; them not working for you is 100% indicative of your lack of skill and unwillingness to change bad habits, nothing else.

You want the bar to be lowered, but it's already VERY LOW. To most of us a race on easy mode is literally so boringly low-skill and slow it's not even competition. You might need to take a step back and re-assess how you're "practicing", because I've seen MANY others who just fundamentally can-NOT drive, and don't have the slightest idea what leads to being quick in the first place. Somehow they think what they're doing is the way it should be done despite them not achieving the results they feel they "deserve". Usually because they refuse to allow others to critique them, refuse to examine others that are clearly faster, or are unredeemably obstinate and ignorant.

If you can't beat a race on easy mode, you need to fundamentally re-assess what you're doing, watch others and how they do it, and practice in a way that actually leads to results. Because easy here is eaaasy. Like, fall asleep at the wheel and still win by 30 seconds easy.

Age is also not a factor, I'm 42 and faster than ever. And I'm not special, many of the quickest out there are in their 40s and 50s.

If you go into the GT7 pages on FB the overwhelming majority of people "screaming from the rooftops" are low level players showing off low level accomplishments, while the fastest ones rarely post anything. This phenomenon is true for many disciplines, because when you're actually getting good at something you realize how much more there is to learn, how much more you can improve, and how non-interesting your low-level accomplishments truly are. To not realize this is concurrent with not improving, and staying at low-skilled forever.

Here's what you need to do if you're actually interested in improving: Do one of the races you're struggling with, when you're finished hit the "select' button, choose the record clip function, record a clip longer than the race, put it on youtube or share it in game, and let us see it. What's the worst that can happen? You get better?

I'll leave you with the famous Rita Mae Brown quote (NOT Einstein!): "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". Change things up... the game is already more than easy enough for any skill level.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Nobody needs to "practice reading what people want to say". That's inference. You need to say what you want to say.

You have the options for easy/med/hard in offline races, you have bronze/silver/gold in the CEs and licenses, so what I guess you're saying is that you want PD to put in a completely different physics model for you? Or that you want sub-bronze goals? What you're saying is still very hard to grasp as your suggestions make no sense at all in the scope of how games and normal difficulty scales work. You can finish at a rookie level all you want, that's literally what easy/bronze is... nothing is stopping you aside from a skill issue that you seem to think isn't an issue and seemingly can't be improved. This is the game, this is how it is.

It is WILD to me that you, as a music teacher, are somehow suggesting that you've "practiced enough". When does anyone stop learning or stop refining their ability? You know who practices a lot? F1 drivers.... and they're some of the fastest drivers in the world. Yet they still know where their shortcomings are and know that they need more time practicing their skill to get better. Max Verstappen literally gets on SIM in his trailer right after many races... to PRACTICE more. You know another cohort that values life-long practice? MUSICIANS. When your music students are having trouble moving from a simplistic to more difficult rendition of a piece do you tell them "this is ridiculous, the artist should have written a simpler piece"?! No! They keep at it and work on it until they develop the skills to complete the piece to their satisfaction.

What you're arguing for is what the game already gives you... low skill options. "Simplified pieces" are the same as easy/bronze, and they literally are the same exact concept as playing a simplified music piece. The current low bars are 100% suitable for "beginners"; them not working for you is 100% indicative of your lack of skill and unwillingness to change bad habits, nothing else.

You want the bar to be lowered, but it's already VERY LOW. To most of us a race on easy mode is literally so boringly low-skill and slow it's not even competition. You might need to take a step back and re-assess how you're "practicing", because I've seen MANY others who just fundamentally can-NOT drive, and don't have the slightest idea what leads to being quick in the first place. Somehow they think what they're doing is the way it should be done despite them not achieving the results they feel they "deserve". Usually because they refuse to allow others to critique them, refuse to examine others that are clearly faster, or are unredeemably obstinate and ignorant.

If you can't beat a race on easy mode, you need to fundamentally re-assess what you're doing, watch others and how they do it, and practice in a way that actually leads to results. Because easy here is eaaasy. Like, fall asleep at the wheel and still win by 30 seconds easy.

Age is also not a factor, I'm 42 and faster than ever. And I'm not special, many of the quickest out there are in their 40s and 50s.

If you go into the GT7 pages on FB the overwhelming majority of people "screaming from the rooftops" are low level players showing off low level accomplishments, while the fastest ones rarely post anything. This phenomenon is true for many disciplines, because when you're actually getting good at something you realize how much more there is to learn, how much more you can improve, and how non-interesting your low-level accomplishments truly are. To not realize this is concurrent with not improving, and staying at low-skilled forever.

Here's what you need to do if you're actually interested in improving: Do one of the races you're struggling with, when you're finished hit the "select' button, choose the record clip function, record a clip longer than the race, put it on youtube or share it in game, and let us see it. What's the worst that can happen? You get better?

I'll leave you with the famous Rita Mae Brown quote (NOT Einstein!): "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". Change things up... the game is already more than easy enough for any skill level.

Super well said!

 

[joeyv]

How does being talented in x equate being talented in y?
It doesnt necessarily do.
In this case being a musician doesnt mean you know anything about video game racing.
It only means you can play

Also, you age doesnt matter, there are people of younger and older who are both worse and better than you - in both being a musician as well as video game racing.

With these 2 facts, your wall of text has been reduced to:
"I dont want to accept the fact that the game Gran Turismo has an inherently higher difficulty level than I can handle with the effort I am willing to invest."
And that is as fine as it can be, because I cant do some other things I would like to do for various reasons, like playing sports because my physical fitness has had a rapid decline after hitting the age of 20.
But even before that I would never be able to compete at certian sports because I would have lacked the raw talent from the beginning.

But other than that, I really like doing hardmodes in video games of all sorts of things, and most of the time I dont consider them difficult while sometimes I do and accept defeat.
With a bit of research it would be possible to verify this claim, but I dont see you wanting to do this - and it doesnt matter at all.

Meythia

You clearly didn't read my post. We were talking about practising not talent when I said I was a musician playing lots of instruments to prove that I know what hours of practising means. I was defending myself to the previous post that also reacted to something that wasn't read as I meant.
So your wall of text doesn't make much sense here.
I will stop posting over here now as asked. I can't explain myself in short sentences. I do now in long sentences and even then I got the feeling my clear and logical argument doesn't arrive as should be. Anyhow I don't like to invest more time in something that was mentioned as a detail in the first place.
The forum probably doesn't want to either.
I still stand by my argument though. Some people like to enjoy a game without such a big learning curve, lower gradual build up, no frustration and with emphasis on fun. For the rest off course awesome game. Take care everybody!

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I wrote it several times that I do understand your position but I cant agree with it. And I do not agree. I have the opposite view. And also 3 times I asked you why you need Gold and you never answered. I am being ignored. It was a simple and genuine question.

Meythia

You clearly didn't read my post. We were talking about practising not talent when I said I was a musician playing lots of instruments to prove that I know what hours of practising means. I was defending myself to the previous post that also reacted to something that wasn't read as I meant.
So your wall of text doesn't make much sense here.
I will stop posting over here now as asked. I can't explain myself in short sentences. I do now in long sentences and even then I got the feeling my clear and logical argument doesn't arrive as should be. Anyhow I don't like to invest more time in something that was mentioned as a detail in the first place.
The forum probably doesn't want to either.
I still stand by my argument though. Some people like to enjoy a game without such a big learning curve, lower gradual build up, no frustration and with emphasis on fun. For the rest off course awesome game. Take care everybody!

 

[joeyv]

Nobody needs to "practice reading what people want to say". That's inference. You need to say what you want to say.

You have the options for easy/med/hard in offline races, you have bronze/silver/gold in the CEs and licenses, so what I guess you're saying is that you want PD to put in a completely different physics model for you? Or that you want sub-bronze goals? What you're saying is still very hard to grasp as your suggestions make no sense at all in the scope of how games and normal difficulty scales work. You can finish at a rookie level all you want, that's literally what easy/bronze is... nothing is stopping you aside from a skill issue that you seem to think isn't an issue and seemingly can't be improved. This is the game, this is how it is.

It is WILD to me that you, as a music teacher, are somehow suggesting that you've "practiced enough". When does anyone stop learning or stop refining their ability? You know who practices a lot? F1 drivers.... and they're some of the fastest drivers in the world. Yet they still know where their shortcomings are and know that they need more time practicing their skill to get better. Max Verstappen literally gets on SIM in his trailer right after many races... to PRACTICE more. You know another cohort that values life-long practice? MUSICIANS. When your music students are having trouble moving from a simplistic to more difficult rendition of a piece do you tell them "this is ridiculous, the artist should have written a simpler piece"?! No! They keep at it and work on it until they develop the skills to complete the piece to their satisfaction.

What you're arguing for is what the game already gives you... low skill options. "Simplified pieces" are the same as easy/bronze, and they literally are the same exact concept as playing a simplified music piece. The current low bars are 100% suitable for "beginners"; them not working for you is 100% indicative of your lack of skill and unwillingness to change bad habits, nothing else.

You want the bar to be lowered, but it's already VERY LOW. To most of us a race on easy mode is literally so boringly low-skill and slow it's not even competition. You might need to take a step back and re-assess how you're "practicing", because I've seen MANY others who just fundamentally can-NOT drive, and don't have the slightest idea what leads to being quick in the first place. Somehow they think what they're doing is the way it should be done despite them not achieving the results they feel they "deserve". Usually because they refuse to allow others to critique them, refuse to examine others that are clearly faster, or are unredeemably obstinate and ignorant.

If you can't beat a race on easy mode, you need to fundamentally re-assess what you're doing, watch others and how they do it, and practice in a way that actually leads to results. Because easy here is eaaasy. Like, fall asleep at the wheel and still win by 30 seconds easy.

Age is also not a factor, I'm 42 and faster than ever. And I'm not special, many of the quickest out there are in their 40s and 50s.

If you go into the GT7 pages on FB the overwhelming majority of people "screaming from the rooftops" are low level players showing off low level accomplishments, while the fastest ones rarely post anything. This phenomenon is true for many disciplines, because when you're actually getting good at something you realize how much more there is to learn, how much more you can improve, and how non-interesting your low-level accomplishments truly are. To not realize this is concurrent with not improving, and staying at low-skilled forever.

Here's what you need to do if you're actually interested in improving: Do one of the races you're struggling with, when you're finished hit the "select' button, choose the record clip function, record a clip longer than the race, put it on youtube or share it in game, and let us see it. What's the worst that can happen? You get better?

I'll leave you with the famous Rita Mae Brown quote (NOT Einstein!): "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". Change things up... the game is already more than easy enough for any skill level.

I thank you for your reaction but like I said I will stop posting over here although I like the respect the community shows as well as their offers to help.
I simply can't get my message through. Off course a musician needs to practise for life as everybody needs to do to become good at anything. I was only talking about the way to get there and the way practise evolves. But I repeat myself for the 1000th time over a detail here so thank you all but I am going to stop posting about this matter. The game is perfect, the reward system too, there is absolutely no frustration getting somewhere and every baby can do the formula races while being onehanded and sleeping in easy mode. Have it your way.

I wrote it several times that I do understand your position but I cant agree with it. And I do not agree. I have the opposite view. And also 3 times I asked you why you need Gold and you never answered. I am being ignored. It was a simple and genuine question.

I isn't about the gold. It was about a detail concerning the difficulty level of the game. Like I said, just finishing some races would be nice. GT is awesome but lots of people that do NOT play the game and know it say the same thing as me. It often is the main reason that somebody leaves the game for what it is. Friends who come over on a visit like to play all sorts of games but this one is quickly rejected just because of them only being busy crashing. Maybe I should put it the other way around. The game can't be played without lots of practise and it should be nice if there was a sort of arcade option that it could. That detail is the only suggestion I wanted to make over here.

'Nobody needs to "practice reading what people want to say". That's inference. You need to say what you want to say.'

???? Can't you see how wrong this is?

That means communication is a one way traffic lane.
The talker needs to put out his argument in a clear way that is right BUT the listener has an obligation to not misinterprete what he means.

No?

Anyway thanks for all reactions. I am going to practise now since GT7 is an awesome game as said a lot of times

 

[Nebuc72]

Anyway thanks for all reactions. I am going to practise now since GT7 is an awesome game as said a lot of times

This is all very confusing. You seem to enjoy the game and enjoy the practicing so your 'option' of lowering the reward times would remove a bunch of the gameplay that you seem to be enjoying.

 

[crome]

What I wanted to say is, it should be much better to give an option to get gold in everything in a more enjoyable way AND an option for people who want it to be more chalenging.

I isn't about the gold. It was about a detail concerning the difficulty level of the game.

The talker needs to put out his argument in a clear way that is right BUT the listener has an obligation to not misinterprete what he means.

The fact that no one seems to get what you're trying to say (according to you) does not cause you to stop and question if maybe your argument wasn't as clear as you think it was?

Anyway, to maybe add something constructive now that you explicitly said your issue lies with the difficulty of the driving experience itself, not the results you achieve: did you experiment with assists? There's a bunch of them, designed specifically to make the physics more approachable: https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gt7/manual/drivingoption/03

 

[Lightpilgrim]

The whole idea of this game is to be hard because it is hard in real life. There are other games that have the arcade mode: NFS, Motorfest, soon Forza Horizon, etc, etc. Just different purposes.

I isn't about the gold. It was about a detail concerning the difficulty level of the game. Like I said, just finishing some races would be nice. GT is awesome but lots of people that do NOT play the game and know it say the same thing as me. It often is the main reason that somebody leaves the game for what it is. Friends who come over on a visit like to play all sorts of games but this one is quickly rejected just because of them only being busy crashing. Maybe I should put it the other way around. The game can't be played without lots of practise and it should be nice if there was a sort of arcade option that it could. That detail is the only suggestion I wanted to make over here.

I actually think AC and iRacing are a lot more difficult

 

[Lomic]

You are a bit versatile.

At the beginning of this thread, you were complaining that gold in CEs was too difficult and asked to get an option to lower the bar.
Collective answer : there are levels like bronze and silver, so everyone can find an objective at reach.

After that you asked to be able to finish "F1" races.

Then that a baby should be able to do them one handed while being asleep...

There are plenty of assists to make things easier for beginners : https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gt7/manual/drivingoption/03

Heck even "auto-drive" that helps you brake and steer ! I've discovered it once, while using my son's account to get him some credits by doing the TT.
Plus all the other assists (TS, CSA, ASM... and visual aids while driving). Sure you probably won't win all events using those, even on the easy difficulty, but at least you'll be able to learn while having fun.

To enjoy Gran Turismo, you have to learn how to improve, and the game offers many ways to learn, like CEs and Licenses, with demos, ghosts, explanations.

Sure gold in those is hard, but it does not block your progression, it is meant to reward the players that invest more time in the game.

Getting better at the game is the core principle of thousands of games, and some are much hardcore than GT7, without any options to take you by the hand and teach you with baby steps.

If you don't accept that, then maybe you should check other games.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

It is insane hard for me to get to Silver in TT at Monza with F3500. I am 1 sec off Silver and I try my best, but just can’t. If I had more time, like 2 more weeks, I would probably be able to as I see I am improving. But this is the way forward: get better, not make the game easier

 

[Lomic]

It is insane hard for me to get to Silver in TT at Monza with F3500. I am 1 sec off Silver and I try my best, but just can’t. If I had more time, like 2 more weeks, I would probably be able to as I see I am improving. But this is the way forward: get better, not make the game easier

TTs are worse than CEs and licenses, as the thresholds are set by the best players in the world, so they keep getting harder to get the more the time passes.

But they also are a very good way to improve.

And plenty people to help on this forum, to find ways to improve.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

TTs are worse than CEs and licenses, as the thresholds are set by the best players in the world, so they keep getting harder to get the more the time passes.

But they also are a very good way to improve.

And plenty people to help on this forum, to find ways to improve.

I can see that and understand it. But this is great…it is the reality. You know where you are vs the others, you research and practice and, when successful, you will have a great feeling of accomplishing something, improving.

 

[joeyv]

Guys I keep on getting reactions of people that just don't read a message right.
I NEVER said the level should be so a sleeping baby can manage????
But last time I try. Just type in 'GT7 too difficult' on reddit and look at the million topics. Then type in 'GT7 too easy' and look if you can find one message.
I like practising and getting better. I like the game. BUT after such a long time it would be nice just to have an option so I just can manage to just finish all races. That was it! Thanks for the driving assist comments. For example the F3500 car I just cant drive without crashing it or pit 10 times for ST... etc etc Have a nice evenig you all!

 

[Lomic]

I NEVER said the level should be so a sleeping baby can manage????

Then who said that :

The game is perfect, the reward system too, there is absolutely no frustration getting somewhere and every baby can do the formula races while being onehanded and sleeping in easy mode.

 

[crome]

Then who said that :

To be fair, he was obviously being sarcastic here. Doesn’t change the fact that he kept moving the goalposts in long-winded and hard to parse messages, then blaming everybody else for not getting his point 😟

But seriously, no hard feelings, glad you‘re enjoying the game. Maybe one day you‘ll get addicted to the endorphin rush of accomplishing something in the game you didn’t think was possible, and start to understand our side of the argument.

/thread

 

[330_D]

This feels more and more like a Troll.

 

[Tommy_D]

Guys I keep on getting reactions of people that just don't read a message right.
I NEVER said the level should be so a sleeping baby can manage????
But last time I try. Just type in 'GT7 too difficult' on reddit and look at the million topics. Then type in 'GT7 too easy' and look if you can find one message.
I like practising and getting better. I like the game. BUT after such a long time it would be nice just to have an option so I just can manage to just finish all races. That was it! Thanks for the driving assist comments. For example the F3500 car I just cant drive without crashing it or pit 10 times for ST... etc etc Have a nice evenig you all!

There are 3 difficulty settings in the game: easy, normal and hard. You also can use cars that are way more powerful and faster than the AI in ~50% of all the races. The game is not too hard. Adjust your difficulty setting to easy and pick cars that have a much higher PP rating than what the game suggests. If you get in to a race that has a hard limit on the PP rating, then pick a car that is right at that level or search on this site to see what others have used for that race.

Honestly, this game is not hard. It takes almost no practice to be able to win races in the game. Considering how much time you have said you have put in to the game, you should be able to win most of the races the game has.