Community Poll: Are you fully dedicated to realism?

[Tornado]

Terrible excuse

Don't cherry pick. Read the second sentence and you might understand why this:

The fact that you have trouble pushing buttons while driving has no bearing on whether cockpit view is realistic or not.

And similar sentiments expressed by you for why cockpit view is the only way to be realistic is silly. The only reason you would say such a thing is if you were ignoring the reasons given to you in response to your assertion.

I feel it's perfectly fair. I'm the one who made the poll, you can't argue with the question I'm asking.

I'm pretty sure this thread has so many posts because people can argue with what you are saying, because the poll as it is presented is ridiculously biased. The fact that you made it that way on purpose doesn't change that. It isn't even consistent with itself because of how arbitrary some of the "not realistic" things are.

Sitting closer and farther from your screen(depending of the size of it) is the natural form of adjusting the POV in GT5. And also exists the ingame distance options for an easy match.

PoV ≠ FoV.

 

[MrGrado]

If you are fully dedicated to realism, wipe your GT5 data after a heavy crash (even if it wasn't your fault).

 

[MoLiEG]

I don't completely fit in any of the 2 cathegories... but overall, I'd say no...

 

[GranTurismo916]

No, I don't use cockpit view/I use ABS only/I race dirty and clean (depending on the room)/I don't like using heavy damage/I use tire wear

This is me

 

[robrabbitman]

I don't like to race cockpit very often, simply because it's too cumbersome for me. I wish I had a wheel, because then I'd probably be more dedicated to realism. As of now, I need ABS and damage plus tire wear is too irritating with stupid drivers in the room.

 

[GrEn]

How is not using ABS and traction control not realistic? LMP and GT drivers are out in the open proclaiming their use of traction... GT5 does not exactly have the most realistic physics in the game, just saying.

Nevertheless, cockpit view, a racing wheel with max sensitivity, no lines and other aids and comparable TCS and ABS (usually just at level 1) to real life is my thing.

 

[McClarenDesign]

I can't answer the poll. I use third person view, but I drive clean, I don't use aids, and I prefer tire wear.

This and then some. If you want realism, go out and do it. If you want entertainment, turn on the PS3.

 

[iamsupernasty]

This Poll is retarted.

 

[lintels123]

This Poll is retarted.

How?

 

[iamsupernasty]

How?

Because the options don't make sense. You could be fully dedicated to realism, but not belive the cockpit view is indicitive of reality so you choose not to use it. Or maybe you are so dedicated to realism that you use AIDS on cars that have AIDS in real life. How do you answer the poll in those instances?

The OP asked a question that the poll does not align with accurately.

 

[TyrrellRacing]

I'm not quite understanding those who say they can't vote on the poll; either you do everything in the OP or you do one or more of the things in the other option. It doesn't matter if you personally perceive yourself to be a "realistic racer".

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The question is simple :
Are you fully dedicated to realism in GT5?

Answering Yes, then you must do all these : I use cockpit view, I don't use aids, I race clean, and I prefer to race with heavy damage and tire wear. This means you are fully dedicated.


Choose No, if any of these applies to you : I don't use cockpit view or I use aids or I race dirty or I don't like using heavy damage or I don't like using tire wear. This means you are not fully dedicated, nothing less, nothing more.

There's no bias or silly poll, it' just a simple question.

 

[iamsupernasty]

Answering Yes, then you must do all these : I use cockpit view, I don't use aids, I race clean, and I prefer to race with heavy damage and tire wear. This means you are fully dedicated.


Choose No, if any of these applies to you : I don't use cockpit view or I use aids or I race dirty or I don't like using heavy damage or I don't like using tire wear. This means you are not fully dedicated, nothing less, nothing more.

There's no bias or silly poll, it' just a simple question.

But that is my point, why does adding aids or using cockpit view change your dedication to realism?

For example, some cars have ABS and TCS that cannot be turned off. Maybe somebody is so dedicated to realism that they only drive cars as they would have been driven in real life. Now because of this wacked out pole, you are forcing them to vote that they are not dedicated to realism when obviously that is not the case.

Catch my drift?

If that doesn't make sense to you, then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[TyrrellRacing]

But that is my point, why does adding aids or using cockpit view change your dedication to realism?

For example, some cars have ABS and TCS that cannot be turned off. Maybe somebody is so dedicated to realism that they only drive cars as they would have been driven in real life. Now because of this wacked out pole, you are forcing them to vote that they are not dedicated to realism when obviously that is not the case.

Catch my drift?

If that doesn't make sense to you, then we will have to agree to disagree.

The poll answers don't make much sense to most of us, but the poll is still valid. Whether or not anyone is "dedicated to realism" is subjective but according to the poll, you are "dedicated to realism" if you fit the criteria stated in the first option.

All the poll is useful for is finding what percentage of people do use cockpit view, don't use aids, race clean, race with heavy damage and tire wear. I'm finding it hard to believe that 2/3 of the people who voted do all these things though, I bet a large majority just voted "yes" as they perceive themselves to be realistic racers even though they don't do all that is stated in the option.

I would perceive myself to be a "realistic racer" but had to vote "no" as I don't use cockpit view. My own view of what constitutes realistic racing is irrelevant when it comes to the poll.

 

[JaySin85]

I'm dedicated to realism, but usually race without heavy damage. Not because I don't want to, but because it's hard to find a good online race with this setting. Then when I do, someone rams me into a wall anyways, so I don't bother. Would love to have some longer races that include heavy damage though.

I also only use cockpit view on premium cars...

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

But that is my point, why does adding aids or using cockpit view change your dedication to realism?

For example, some cars have ABS and TCS that cannot be turned off. Maybe somebody is so dedicated to realism that they only drive cars as they would have been driven in real life. Now because of this wacked out pole, you are forcing them to vote that they are not dedicated to realism when obviously that is not the case.

Catch my drift?

If that doesn't make sense to you, then we will have to agree to disagree.

In real life, ABS, TC or ASM can be turned off, take out the fuse or disable it via the provided switches in the real car.

The problem with GT5 aids is that they are not really representation of real life aids like TC, ABS or ASM. They are nothing but simple programming that help the driver controlling the car, the aids do not simulate how the real one would do in a real car. For example, ABS in GT5 is like a god mode for braking, it stabilize the car, "perfectly" preventing lock ups on all 4 wheels at almost any speed or direction, which enable a driver to mash the brake with no worries of implication. Do that in real life, it won't be the same, as ABS in real life works in totally different way and regarding cars equipped with ABS, drivers still need to modulate the brakes to get the best of it, but that is not the case in the game.

Some who answers yes, consider that not using aids is more realistic as it gives all the burden of driving to the driver, steering, braking, accelerating all are depend on the driver. Anything that makes the car easier to drive by reducing the workload of driving is considered not realistic.

Personally I never use any of them, I just don't like it when I'm driving, the computer/game interferes and making the job easier. That is after all, my preference of driving.

The question of the poll should have been different, something like this :

Are you fully dedicated to challenge yourself to drive without aids and to drive the most realistic way ?

 

[grog]

The question of the poll should have been different, something like this :

Are you fully dedicated to challenge yourself to drive without aids and to drive the most realistic way ?

Right you are, I would vote on the poll if it was more straightforward.

More options would let us see the range of just how hardcore players are rather than a black and white yes or no.

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

I think it out and out insulting that anyone would be just arbitrarily grouped in the same category as "I race dirty"... just because one parameter doesn't meet your standards. Lose the insulting inference and you might get more positive feedback.

Just my 2 cents worth against yours. Add it up and you CAN make some change.

Have a good one

 

[FormulaKimball]

I mean no offense to people who can't vote yes

Too late

3rd person views defined as not realistic would be understandable, but "realism = cockpit view only"? Wheel users have plenty of reasons not to select a camera view which displays another wheel on the screen, and its animation of movement is half the wheel's actual travel.

Also, a hardcore "I'm dedicated to realism" attitude, that shuns driver aids yet allows ABS, doesn't make sense.

I'd be happy to vote in an objective, sensible version of this poll.

 

[HOODFIELD]

If you yourself don't own a wheel with a clutch your poll/thread is garbage. (not that is wasn't already)

I mean no offense to people who can't vote yes

Yes you do, your the one who typed "I race dirty" into your poll? If you removed that phrase this thread would pan out a lot differently.

 

[twitcher]

A very biased and elitist poll, but I gave it a go anyways. According to your poll, I am "undedicated to realism"...

I don't use cockpit view, I don't use damage (sometimes use visible only), I only use tire wear under specific circumstances, and racing dirty is a trick that's always up my sleeve (you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin)......wow, that really makes me look like an undedicated noob...

I drift in GT5. That's all I do....I do races for credits, but that's it. So, with that in mind:

-I don't use cockpit view because the wheel and hand movements are awful, and very unrealistic. Plus, there is no animation for the handbrake...very unrealistic. I like the hood view best, because it offers the best view while also being able to see the front corners of the car.

-I don't use damage, as it takes away from my gamig experience. The beauty of drifting in a video game is being able to throw your car into a drift and not have to worry about fixing it if you mess up. My goal is to execute ideal drifts...if I spin out or smack a wall, I know I've made a mistake. I don't need a red flashing engine icon and reduced performance to let me know I screwed up.

-I don't use tire wear majority of the time, because most of my time is spent in extended drift sessions on CH tires. The wear rates of CH tires are not realistic (the same can be said for the torque/wheelspin model, which contributes to the ultra fast wear rates of CH tires). Tire wear is sometimes used for comps (which are usually very short runs) to enhance difficulty.

-I don't race "dirty" but I'll admit I've purposely spun people out while drifting. I've only ever done it to people who have repeatedly got in the way, even though they had a chance to move aside.

"Dirty racing" seems like a very broad term. Each person you ask will have a different opinion on what they consider dirty....and a lot of what some people consider as "dirty" is not actually dirty, but just part of the sport of racing (/cry I got bumped...ya, suck it up princess, racing is a contact sport).

Anyways, I hope your dedication to realism helps you sleep at night. Nice attempt at crapping on everyone who thinks differently than you though.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

So playing the game the hard way and cleanly is considered elitist. What should we call the opposite ? Why bother having a go at the poll if the poll does not suit you and in the end it's just another rant.

 

[ghskilla]

Does using the F2007 with TCS count? I mean, they did have them in the 2007 F1 season...

I don't use TCS on the 2007, by the way.

 

[Snaeper]

So playing the game the hard way and cleanly is considered elitist. What should we call the opposite ? Why bother having a go at the poll if the poll does not suit you and in the end it's just another rant.

Ridox, I commend people who challenge themselves and play the game "the hard way". I challenge myself from time to time and race with few aids and low-grip tires. In fact one of my favorite forms of online racing is to do Shuffle with no Aids, which I think is one of the best challenges in the game.

However, judging by how TomBrady goes about communicating to others in other threads shows to me that he is an elitist. Others like him might be much more respectable individuals, yourself included.

From this thread:

1- Physics that are as realistic as netkar pro A.K.A. the most realistic sim to date
2- Full mechanical damage that can't be shut off, especially not online
3- Course maker, but much improved with 10 environments, including one that's the side of a mountain so we can make some awesome touge point to point stages
4- More customization, full aero kits, multiple options for each body kit part, engine and drivetrain swaps, but some limitations (a modded prius should never be able to beat a ferrari, that's blasphemy)
5- Better backrounds and trees
6- Better Hood view
7- More force feedback strength
8- Better Off-track/grass physics, and get rid of the stupid built in aid the kicks in when we drive on grass
9- better weather effects like puddles and rain drops streaking across all views like in F1 2010
10- Better engine sound, more ambient sound effects when going through different environments, but keep the same car on car collision sounds, they're awesome

What good would that do?

What good would having mechanical damage on permanently do?

Did you seriously just ask that?

EPIC FAIL!!!!!!

Can you turn damage off in your real car?

 

[Tornado]

So playing the game the hard way and cleanly is considered elitist.

Not at all. On the other hand, playing the game in your own way and constantly judging others when they don't play it to your arbitrary and contradictory standards is being elitist (which TomBrady has done more than enough in this thread that I don't even need to look up the stream of examples from others he's posted in like Snaeper did above); and paying lip service against the idea by saying you aren't and but then continuing to act the same way doesn't change that.

Why bother having a go at the poll if the poll does not suit you and in the end it's just another rant.

Why bother making the poll at all if you are going to structure it the way it was in the OP?

 

[rumblina]

I don't use Cockpit view so I am lumped in to the same category as a dirty racer? WTF?!?!? Poll is broken imo. Is this a troll thread?

 

[1241Penguin]

I don't use Cockpit view so I am lumped in to the same category as a dirty racer? WTF?!?!? Poll is broken imo. Is this a troll thread?

Oh rumblina, no wonder you did so much better than me in my Z series. I should have DQ'ed you, you dirty racer!

 

[Diogo Gomes]

Your signature says "Proud DFGT Addict", so where are your realistic clutch and handbrake?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ridox, I commend people who challenge themselves and play the game "the hard way". I challenge myself from time to time and race with few aids and low-grip tires. In fact one of my favorite forms of online racing is to do Shuffle with no Aids, which I think is one of the best challenges in the game.

However, judging by how TomBrady goes about communicating to others in other threads shows to me that he is an elitist. Others like him might be much more respectable individuals, yourself included.

From this thread:

Not at all. On the other hand, playing the game in your own way and constantly judging others when they don't play it to your arbitrary and contradictory standards is being elitist (which TomBrady has done more than enough in this thread that I don't even need to look up the stream of examples from others he's posted in like Snaeper did above); and paying lip service against the idea by saying you aren't and but then continuing to act the same way doesn't change that.


Why bother making the poll at all if you are going to structure it the way it was in the OP?

You guys made good points, the OP should have changed the question and gives more options to answer it at the poll. I have stated this before in my previous post.
I never judged others or belittle others who uses aids, all I have been doing here in GTP is shown others how I preferred to play GT5, and how great the experience it is to drive without any sort of help from the game, to give yourself a real challenge. Some member did took it rather hard and called me elitists in several occasions, simply for mentioning about ABS in GT5.

Today I had several shuffle races hosted by McLarenDesign, Clean and Relaxed room, as usual I never use any aids ( including ABS ). Some other drivers drove a lot faster than me as they use either one or all of these aids : TCS, SRF, AS. But I don't mind at all, it was fun to see them sliding around, then grips like a race car . I just want close and clean racing. Alas, glitches and network errors ruin my day, I got booted by the server, cars were shaking, teleporting after several races

What I want to say is, no matter aids, or view or damage or tires preferences, all that matter is fun for the player and others while racing. Sometimes I had fun in Cops room or dirty shuffle/Nascar, even though I played the game the hard way and cleanly.

Those who race cleanly, join this event hosted by R1600Turbo, I will be there too.


Pirelli 458 Challenge @ Suzuka - Sat. 8/18 - 2PM EDT **NEED DRIVERS**

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=260680

ABS is optional in this event, yet I don't mind, losing or winning is not really the point, fun is.

 

[Samus]

Your signature says "Proud DFGT Addict", so where are your realistic clutch and handbrake?

Never noticed that.