Competitive Racing License

[danardif1]

Still stuck at U and had a terrible online experience at Monza last night in a GT4 race.

Got 4 contact warnings and none of them were avoidable or my fault. At the first chicane I took it very easy to avoid any collision but was rammed from behind at full speed. Trying to overtake the a guy down the straights twice and both times I was next to him he just swerved into me to prevent me from overtaking him. Then lastly after I managed to get by him at the very next corner he just rammed into me at full speed again...

Probably got a worse clean score than what I started out with when I booted up the game for the first time...

Sucks badly as I don't want to quit the race if I see it is a bunch of morons in the lobby because then I get heavily penalized for my skill score...which strangely enough went up by 1 after finishing 6th.

I share your pain man... I had a GT3 race yesterday at Spa where first I was spun out and then hit several times at the first corner even though I had started at the back due to joining the lobby late and missing qualifying. I then spent the race setting decent laptimes (equal to the leader so was catching the rest of the field) until the last lap where the 6th or 7th place car that I had caught up to decided that he didn't like the fact that I had taken maybe 3 seconds out of his lead the previous lap and just took me out.

I'd gone back up to F rating before that race and after I'd been sent back to U. Not my fault in the slightest.

 

[Animera]

I just got my B licence, just racing as fast and as clean as I can.

 

[Mr Tree]

@danardif1 and @R9NALD9 are you on ps4?
If so I ussually make lobbies at night that have at least a few drivers we know are clean. And if a few are that helps the way. Raced for a couple of hours yesterday only 3 larger incidents I which I was 'involved'.
So add Mr_tree13 if you want to join. No results are saved no manditory joining just some driverd who wa't clean driving

 

[Georgeagea]

Still stuck at U and had a terrible online experience at Monza last night in a GT4 race.

Got 4 contact warnings and none of them were avoidable or my fault. At the first chicane I took it very easy to avoid any collision but was rammed from behind at full speed. Trying to overtake the a guy down the straights twice and both times I was next to him he just swerved into me to prevent me from overtaking him. Then lastly after I managed to get by him at the very next corner he just rammed into me at full speed again...

Probably got a worse clean score than what I started out with when I booted up the game for the first time...

Sucks badly as I don't want to quit the race if I see it is a bunch of morons in the lobby because then I get heavily penalized for my skill score...which strangely enough went up by 1 after finishing 6th.

Man problem is clean racing in this game doesn't mean only not ramming or doing incidents!

Yesterday I made the huge mistake to race a new track for the first time online (yeah stupid I know).
I had some going wide in corners and quite some spins! I lost big time!

You need to not cross the track limits, stay away from pit lane entries, use pitlane speed limiter, etc... All of those count too!

 

[BSD200]

Let Pcars give Vadim a safety rating.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

At the first chicane I took it very easy to avoid any collision but was rammed from behind at full speed.

That's rough what happened in that race, but personally it would have been at this point I would've given up trying to overtake this person altogether. If they're not able to race clean the first time, they're probably not going to the 2nd, 3rd or 4th time. That's the sort of thing you have to consider if you want to get your safety rating up; let the position go now, and you'll reap the benefits later.

The game just recognises that as contact and that's that. So I try and get round the typical turn one carnage, get hit by some idiot, and that makes me unsafe?

There's three main points to why the game works this way:

1) It can't be easily exploited. There's no special conditions someone could discover where they could crash into people without being penalised. If you make contact, you get a warning/penalty, end of story.

2) Because the system works conservatively, and so can give out "harsh" penalties, in theory this encourages (or even forces) drivers to be more cautious than they normally might be. Which will be good for the online community as a whole.

2) The purpose of this system isn't to decide who are the clean/dirty drivers during a single race, but who are the clean/dirty drivers over a number of races. Which makes sense (unless you're of the "you're only as good as your last race" school of thought), and that's where the power of this system lies - over time, dirty drivers will tend to get involved in more crashes, while cleaner drivers will tend to get involved in less. By the law of large numbers, safety ratings essentially sort themselves out, and the fault/luck behind any one incident becomes irrelevant.

I shouldn't be penalised for the actions of others and this system was meant to get rid of that.

No, as per above, that's not what this type of system is meant to do.

I don't see it working as intended at the moment.

As with any system you could come up with, there's a tradeoff - here, to move up you're required to put bit of time and effort in, as well as sacrifice some wheel-to-wheel racing, but once you break through into a higher safety rating, the reward is getting matched with others who have had to adopt the same mentality, and hence will give you a much higher standard of racing. I'm up to C class now, but I've already seen quite a bit of very respectful driving from D and E drivers. Stick with it, I'm confident you'll see that it will work. 👍

 

[danardif1]

That's rough what happened in that race, but personally it would have been at this point I would've given up trying to overtake this person altogether. If they're not able to race clean the first time, they're probably not going to the 2nd, 3rd or 4th time. That's the sort of thing you have to consider if you want to get your safety rating up; let the position go now, and you'll reap the benefits later.




There's three main points to why the game works this way:

1) It can't be easily exploited. There's no special conditions someone could discover where they could crash into people without being penalised. If you make contact, you get a warning/penalty, end of story.

2) Because the system works conservatively, and so can give out "harsh" penalties, in theory this encourages (or even forces) drivers to be more cautious than they normally might be. Which will be good for the online community as a whole.

2) The purpose of this system isn't to decide who are the clean/dirty drivers during a single race, but who are the clean/dirty drivers over a number of races. Which makes sense (unless you're of the "you're only as good as your last race" school of thought), and that's where the power of this system lies - over time, dirty drivers will tend to get involved in more crashes, while cleaner drivers will tend to get involved in less. By the law of large numbers, safety ratings essentially sort themselves out, and the fault/luck behind any one incident becomes irrelevant.



No, as per above, that's not what this type of system is meant to do.



As with any system you could come up with, there's a tradeoff - here, to move up you're required to put bit of time and effort in, as well as sacrifice some wheel-to-wheel racing, but once you break through into a higher safety rating, the reward is getting matched with others who have had to adopt the same mentality, and hence will give you a much higher standard of racing. I'm up to C class now, but I've already seen quite a bit of very respectful driving from D and E drivers. Stick with it, I'm confident you'll see that it will work. 👍

I completely agree with your points mate, its just frustrating that I have given a few hours of each day to this game since release only to be stuck in the lower ratings because of the actions of others impacting on my own efforts to race cleanly.

Let Pcars give Vadim a safety rating.

Still better than a lot of the GT3 crowd on this game

 

[StefanMac]

I just did a 15 lap GT3 race around Bathurst, drove 99% cleanly (1 minor contact warning at the start) was in the lead for the whole race after turn 1, started with about 13 people, ended with only 2 including myself. Was kinda disappointed to only gain 12 points on my license when i've gotten more from lesser results (i think). :/

 

[Double Ayyys]

I just did a 15 lap GT3 race around Bathurst, drove 99% cleanly (1 minor contact warning at the start) was in the lead for the whole race after turn 1, started with about 13 people, ended with only 2 including myself. Was kinda disappointed to only gain 12 points on my license when i've gotten more from lesser results. :/

Shoot. 12 points in one race.... best I've got is 8 and thought that was an awesome bump in just one race. To each their own.

 

[Friday_GTRP]

Let Pcars give Vadim a safety rating.

Nah, don't think it is vadim's fault. You can clearly see from the video that physics and ffb are way off .......

 

[StefanMac]

Shoot. 12 points in one race.... best I've got is 8 and thought that was an awesome bump in just one race. To each their own.

I'm really not 100% sure but i feel like i have, I know i've lost more than 12 points so maybe it's that i'm thinking of.

 

[Double Ayyys]

I'm really not 100% sure but i feel like i have, I know i've lost more than 12 points so maybe it's that i'm thinking of.

You can view your increases and decreases in your profile in the bottom left corner (the bar graph).

 

[rono_thomas]

ended with only 2 including myself.

This is the problem.

i've gotten more from lesser results (i think)

Beating one other person isn't a great result. The worst you could have done is finish second.

 

[StefanMac]

This is the problem.



Beating one other person isn't a great result. The worst you could have done is finish second.

This is what i thought.. it's a shame it's affected by others quitting, oh well.

 

[R9NALD9]

That's rough what happened in that race, but personally it would have been at this point I would've given up trying to overtake this person altogether. If they're not able to race clean the first time, they're probably not going to the 2nd, 3rd or 4th time. That's the sort of thing you have to consider if you want to get your safety rating up; let the position go now, and you'll reap the benefits later.

I totally get what you are saying and agree. The issue is that he was slower than me and I'm a pure racer that wants to race. If I held back to stay behind him I most certainly would've been caught by more rammers from behind.

I simply don't see the appeal in just going flat out into other cars and ruining my own and everybody else's race...

Anyways, really loving the game and online. Just frustrating! I feel I'm a above average racer on a controller...not very fast but very consistent. So it is frustrating to see I'm stuck in lower levels due to other people not playing the game the way it was intended. 12 online races in and still stuck at U...I really want to get a platinum on this as it would only be my 2nd ever platinum. That is how big of a fan I am of Pcars

Also worried that the better cleaner racers will soon limit their lobbies to the higher levels leaving me with the bottom feeder rammers.

 

[rono_thomas]

I totally get what you are saying and agree. The issue is that he was slower than me and I'm a pure racer that wants to race. If I held back to stay behind him I most certainly would've been caught by more rammers from behind.

I simply don't see the appeal in just going flat out into other cars and ruining my own and everybody else's race...

Anyways, really loving the game and online. Just frustrating! I feel I'm a above average racer on a controller...not very fast but very consistent. So it is frustrating to see I'm stuck in lower levels due to other people not playing the game the way it was intended. 12 online races in and still stuck at U...I really want to get a platinum on this as it would only be my 2nd ever platinum. That is how big of a fan I am of Pcars

Also worried that the better cleaner racers will soon limit their lobbies to the higher levels leaving me with the bottom feeder rammers.

The essence of it is to rank up you have to be less of an out and out racer in the lower ranks, its more crash avoidance thats the priority.

Its a numbers game, if your involved in crashes through your fault or not in every race, you will not rank up.

Great racers adapt.

 

[Mr Tree]

My 2 cents run 6-10lap monza with gt3 class. Standing start.

It's an easy track with a very prdictable mash up in the first corner. You learn to minimize issues at this corner very fast and everything after that it's mostly clean racing. Also the newer players usually can handle the track rather well reducing unpredictable incidents you can't avoid due to beeing close to that racer.

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

I am really enjoying the points system and (most) people seem to be embracing it.

Racing is cleaner and people kinder. Gosh, people out of the pits let you pass when you are setting a time! Heaven.

Few weeks more and first corner rammers would be stuck with a low safety rate and the rest of us can move on.

The only improvement I can think of is to leave U for unassigned and another (lower) letter(s) for dirty drivers. It's a bit unfair to assign new starters the lowest possible rating.

 

[fasj6418]

Yes, it still has it´s share of problems, but i´m already seeing the differences. Fewer dropout also because people find out they are losing 30 points so you really have to be mad to rage quit.

In a month of two most of the moving chicanes or first corner rammers will be sorted out.

I´m actually more annoyed at how many mistakes i´m making than anything else. Almost every race is the first time with that car on that track, so i just need to be more patient and don´t push as much as i want to.

 

[ojgt]

Just had a lobby with minimum racing license set to F1300 but still people with safety rating U could join the lobby as long as their number was high enough. Is it really supposed to work like this or was it some kind on bug/error? Was hoping we could restrict the "unsafe" drivers from joining by setting the minimum license needed. Ps4.

 

[Bealdor]

This is the problem.



Beating one other person isn't a great result. The worst you could have done is finish second.

This is what i thought.. it's a shame it's affected by others quitting, oh well.

That's not how it works fortunately. Every player that quits before the end will count as a beaten opponent for your rating.
When you win in a 12 car lobby you've beaten 11 drivers, no matter how many of them quit/disconnect before the end.

 

[Double Ayyys]

Took 10 races to go from a C to a B safety rating for me. And I have a total of 32 online races. Even with a few nudges here and there (max has been 2 times I've been bumped in one race) my rating and score are progressing.

 

[Double Ayyys]

Rating

 

[TRGTspecialist]

Got up to B rank this morning, + earned the trophy. From E->D->C->B, each level up took roughly 10 races on average. Onwards and upwards

 

[SabuRo]

I just finished an online race at Barcelona (the short version), and tried to be as careful as possible to get my safety rating up, but unfortunately the race director doesn't really like me.

At the start half the field thought they were driving the full GP track, which resulted in a massive turn 1 pileup. As I knew this would happen I held back a bit at the start, avoided any collissions and passed all the crashed cars in turn 1. The smile on my face disappeared quickly when I saw a message from the race director to give back 19th place. (I was up to 12th by then) To avoid a penalty I just stopped to let everyone pass me again. (which barely worked in 30 seconds, the 19th car passed me with a few seconds left)

A few laps later the same happened again: two cars collided in front of me and ended up in the gravel. I just drove by them and was told to give my position up again. I was stupid enough to be mad about this and didn't give the place back, so got a drive through penalty.

I guess I'll just drive at the back from now on and never pass anyone to get rid of this U rating finally.

 

[rono_thomas]

I was stupid enough to be mad about this and didn't give the place back, so got a drive through penalty.

Young apprentice, emotions are of the darkside...

Outside of track limits is the path to the darkside. Track limit warnings leads to anger. Anger leads to times deleted. Hatred leads to drive through penalties.

 

[Anomalistics]

Just had the most insane race at bathrust. I finish 1st with no penalties and the hud indicates as such. Two people pass me on the cooldown lap and I lose two places on the hud.

Scoreboard at the end also updates, despite the engineer saying I got p1.

Lol, gg. Please fix this.

 

[zr1chris]

I finally had an overall decent afternoon in the online lobbies. Started out at U1446 and got up to E1486.

About to jump back on here in a minute.

 

[Corsa]

Also worried that the better cleaner racers will soon limit their lobbies to the higher levels leaving me with the bottom feeder rammers.

Already happening.
I'm currently on C, and always looking for lobbies D or better.
I'm more than sure there's some great drivers starting out in U, but it's the way the system works and I like accountability and proving your clean over time.

 

[Double Ayyys]

Already happening.
I'm currently on C, and always looking for lobbies D or better.
I'm more than sure there's some great drivers starting out in U, but it's the way the system works and I like accountability and proving your clean over time.
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Some of the leagues aren't starting until 2nd week of October so you have time to get your rating to an A or an S.

After 42 races I just hit A1511

Also the official Project Cars 2 site declares at a C rating or lower is when you are considered safe. To partake in the higher level special events I think I read you'll need to be at least an S2000. It'd be one heck of a grind for me to get that but just something to shoot for. Wishful thinking anyway.