*COMPLETED* SNAIL-Porsche GT3 SuperCup Challenge: Congrats to our Season 3 Champ, fruitloop31!!

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Who's open to moving this Series to ACC after this season in Sept. '22?

  • I have a PS5 and a copy of ACC and am ready to race for next season.

    Votes: 9 47.4%
  • I have a PS5, and would purchase ACC to continue racing the Porsche Cup

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • I am getting PS5 soon and would purchase ACC to be ready to race in Sept. '22

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • I plan to get the PS5, but won't have it by September.

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • I have no plans to get the PS5 in the short term.

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Total voters
    19
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And how the F—- do I get this into GT7? Where an 8 year old when ya need one! WTF….
 
And how the F—- do I get this into GT7? Where an 8 year old when ya need one! WTF….
Lol, hit the link and then select the attachment icon (paperclip). Then go to your livery editor, and then to collection.
 
Lol, hit the link and then select the attachment icon (paperclip). Then go to your livery editor, and then to collection.
Collection shows zero in GT auto….

Can you share link with tuning car to 507? I don’t operate through a laptop, nor do I keep this open on safari. I have to access each time through g-mail. Which is a true pain in the ass!

Why is each time I’m in the tuning menu, i have to exit for changes to apply? WTF is with that…

Can’t get to 507! At 508…

I have……

Hate, hate and more hate!

“I sit here looking at a 5lb lump hammer, then turn to view my console!”

Something’s gotta give…. 🤣
 
Why is each time I’m in the tuning menu, i have to exit for changes to apply? WTF is with that…
Actually you can hit the triangle button I think to apply. Over to the left of the tuning screen will be a red warning with the correct button to apply the tune. Pretty sure that's how it works. It definitely updates the PP numbers.
 
Absolutely!
Depending on what happens in the next 2 to 3 weeks, if GT7 doesn't have their online lobbies sorted, I may be proposing a continuance of the seasons on Sport until they do. For now, we'll keep on the plan with fingers crossed.
 
Actually you can hit the triangle button I think to apply. Over to the left of the tuning screen will be a red warning with the correct button to apply the tune. Pretty sure that's how it works. It definitely updates the PP numbers.
Mine doesn’t! Not gonna lie…. Every adjustment only shows after I exit the menu.

How did they mess this up? They had the perfect template in using GTS. Yet they didn’t…. 🤷

Thanks for the prompt response pal…
 
Depending on what happens in the next 2 to 3 weeks, if GT7 doesn't have their online lobbies sorted, I may be proposing a continuance of the seasons on Sport until they do. For now, we'll keep on the plan with fingers crossed.
Supported in full!

My car defaults to AT when on track. I have to pause and deselect MT, then reselect for this to work. Each time I leave track to the PiT. My car defaults back to AT.

Also unable to zero out traction control when all the aides are turned off.
Not sure how the custom settings changes that, but in my case I am unable to drive without TC.
 
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I just posted this within Gt4 thread….

I think it’s all time to be honest. This is not a finished and polished version, and may take months to get to that point, where it works for all of our Snail groups racing. I paid $100 for the PS5 anniversary edition, and wished I hadn’t. I doubt I’ll race with my PS4 with GT7, but also feel that the GTS setup even dated, still leant to providing us with a very competitive level of racing. As of late, I believe the racing has become even closer. I completely believe as with my initial note to continue with GTS, as I didn’t believe it would be the pick up and play game that some were expecting! With a week gone, it turns out that GT7 is definitely not where we need it to be, nor is the general consensus amongst others online feeling supportive either. I truly believe we continue both leagues for at-least the next month, while these errors and updates become applied.
Excited for tonight’s practice in GT3, but it’s not going to shine with love from the majority! 🙏🏻❤️🇺🇦
 
Something to keep in mind for tonight
So Praiano released another porsche tune for the 997 (older gen 911).

Because I'm so bored at work today and have nothing really better to do - I analyzed both tunes. It seems that in general you want the Porsche to have the following:

  • Front bar stiffer than the rear bar
  • Rebound (both front and rear) stiffer than compression
  • Rear natural frequency stiffer than front
  • same or more rear camber than fronts
  • some toe out in the front
  • .3 toe in on the rear
  • Low Initial Torque and accel settings
  • High Decel setting

There are some minor differences I'm going to test tonight to see which is better but for those trying to fine tune I figured this would be a good start.
 
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Something to keep in mind for tonight
So Praiano released another porsche tune for the 997 (older gen 911).

Because I'm so bored at work today and have nothing really better to do - I analyzed both tunes. It seems that in general you want the Porsche to have the following:

  • Front bar stiffer than the rear bar
  • Rebound (both front and rear) stiffer than compression
  • Rear natural frequency stiffer than front
  • same or more rear camber than fronts
  • some toe out in the front
  • .3 toe in on the rear
  • Low Initial Torque and accel settings
  • High Decel setting

There are some minor differences I'm going to test tonight to see which is better but for those trying to fine tune I figured this would be a good start.
Are we keeping clutch stock and brake pads stock?
 
Cross posted from main thread. Support going back to GT sport for Porsche / Michelin cups until GT7 lobbies properly fixed.


EDIT: maybe we could go back on GT Sport for the time being ? No need for a new qualifier, we just run our races as usual on Sport until GT7 is functional for our needs. Just an idea here, nothing serious
Historical experience suggests to me that PD might get lobbies fixed on the 3rd try. So later this summer. But I’m not tracking any other threads or news so maybe they are actively working on a real solution. I would be shocked.

Given just how broken things are at the moment I’m ready to go back to GT sport for snail lobby races. We could start on Sunday if the BoD picked a set of combos for us to start off a March season. I guess I’m assuming PD is still supporting GTS lobbies?

I’ll be coming back to GT7 when I want some pretty scenery with changeable weather. Or doing some BoP tuning to the extent possible with @llNovall and his entourage.
 
All as raced up as you can. Clutch, pads, carbon rotors, etc.
I was going to ask you are we running TCS tonight but just read an article on how the cup car don’t not come with TCS or ABS😭😭😭 I’m glad we get ABS! I’m just getting to practice with it now and while it’s rewarding when you hitting the apexes… OMG it’s scary 😂.

In the article the journalist explained how he almost crash the Cup car in the first 5 min. It’s a good read and good luck to all tonight I will not be pushing crazy hard tonight!!
 
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The driving is way better than GTS though… ITs a bummer about the lobbies hopefully they fix them up asap!

@llNovall I have no clue how you hit 1:59 on hards! I’m on mediums doing 2:01/2

Also that slow turn you went over In physics section at first was tricky but if you keep some throttle around it, it keeps the rear planted… obviously you know that from your lap time 😂
 
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The driving is way better than GTS though… ITs a bummer about the lobbies hopefully they fix them up asap!

@llNovall I have no clue how you hit 1:59 on hards! I’m on mediums doing 2:01/2

Also that slow turn you went over In physics section at first was tricky but if you keep some throttle around it, it keeps the rear planted… obviously you know that from your lap time 😂
Raul ran a 1:59.1 last night…
 
The driving is way better than GTS though… ITs a bummer about the lobbies hopefully they fix them up asap!

@llNovall I have no clue how you hit 1:59 on hards! I’m on mediums doing 2:01/2

Also that slow turn you went over In physics section at first was tricky but if you keep some throttle around it, it keeps the rear planted… obviously you know that from your lap time 😂
Raul ran a 1:59.1 last night…
Then you fellas won't like this 😉
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I have GT7 Digital and Sport in PS4, if we have to run on sport for a month or two untell fixes for GT7 I’m in, little worried the physics are different but I’m already done with Cafe races so I need my clean online fix for me that’s the only reason for me
To get wheel faster.

So don’t need to post two different threads I’ll buy Lexus and get that information for u tommorow @llNovall even I’m still reserve other series, u do a lot much appreciated

Last side note, u are gifted Nova at liveries, if u ever bored couple months down the line a racing livery uniform would be cool like that awesome mountain Bike one u did for the Lexus hint hint lol.
 
fSomething to keep in mind for tonight
So Praiano released another porsche tune for the 997 (older gen 911).

Because I'm so bored at work today and have nothing really better to do - I analyzed both tunes. It seems that in general you want the Porsche to have the following:

  • Front bar stiffer than the rear bar
  • Rebound (both front and rear) stiffer than compression
  • Rear natural frequency stiffer than front
  • same or more rear camber than fronts
  • some toe out in the front
  • .3 toe in on the rear
  • Low Initial Torque and accel settings
  • High Decel setting

There are some minor differences I'm going to test tonight to see which is better but for those trying to fine tune I figured this would be a good start.
All of that gets a big 👍 from me, as I've been finding tuning more closely aligns with real life than before. It makes me happy to see this post, as I used to do setup for a (meager) living and now I just do it for free, and in the past I have generally avoided tuning as much of it in GT has been counterintuitive to someone who goes about it with real setup experience. That's why a lot of the best tunes in the past have been the result of trial and error, rather than doing what is correct from an engineering standpoint.

In general(most cars), you want most of the roll resistance on the non drive wheels, particularly with a powerful rear drive car so that it puts down power better. This is why some formula cars have Z-bars on the rear suspension rather than a sway bar, to increase axle rate in pitch but providing zero roll resistance so the drive wheels stay on the ground in roll. Porsches are known for this in real life as well. The spring rates should always be stiffer on the rear of a 911 due to the higher axle weight and motion ratio. While higher natural frequency in rear is often personal taste but it makes a lot more sense when dealing with a car with a large tyre width stagger. Also bonus for realism. Likewise, the additional camber in rear is due to the rear having a higher terminal roll angle due to higher weight compared to the front axle, despite higher frequencies. Also points for realism. In real life, I always prefer toe out in the front, with the rare exception of a super twitchy FR platform. The biggest limitation in real life is that high excessive toe out causes tramming and inside tread/shoulder tyre wear, but since that isn't a factor in the sim I can't think of a time I didn't run some toe out in front in GT where tuning was permitted. In real life the amount of toe out you want is also directly related to the amount of camber you are running. The silly amount of toe in in the rear is just a symptom of an unstable car needing a band aid to provided on throttle stability. In short, toe in on the drive axle puts power down a LOT better. Anyway, rather than carry on further with my unsolicited ramblings I'll just remark that I am delighted to find the tuning now more closely aligns with real life.

:cheers:
 
All of that gets a big 👍 from me, as I've been finding tuning more closely aligns with real life than before. It makes me happy to see this post, as I used to do setup for a (meager) living and now I just do it for free, and in the past I have generally avoided tuning as much of it in GT has been counterintuitive to someone who goes about it with real setup experience. That's why a lot of the best tunes in the past have been the result of trial and error, rather than doing what is correct from an engineering standpoint.

In general(most cars), you want most of the roll resistance on the non drive wheels, particularly with a powerful rear drive car so that it puts down power better. This is why some formula cars have Z-bars on the rear suspension rather than a sway bar, to increase axle rate in pitch but providing zero roll resistance so the drive wheels stay on the ground in roll. Porsches are known for this in real life as well. The spring rates should always be stiffer on the rear of a 911 due to the higher axle weight and motion ratio. While higher natural frequency in rear is often personal taste but it makes a lot more sense when dealing with a car with a large tyre width stagger. Also bonus for realism. Likewise, the additional camber in rear is due to the rear having a higher terminal roll angle due to higher weight compared to the front axle, despite higher frequencies. Also points for realism. In real life, I always prefer toe out in the front, with the rare exception of a super twitchy FR platform. The biggest limitation in real life is that high excessive toe out causes tramming and inside tread/shoulder tyre wear, but since that isn't a factor in the sim I can't think of a time I didn't run some toe out in front in GT where tuning was permitted. In real life the amount of toe out you want is also directly related to the amount of camber you are running. The silly amount of toe in in the rear is just a symptom of an unstable car needing a band aid to provided on throttle stability. In short, toe in on the drive axle puts power down a LOT better. Anyway, rather than carry on further with my unsolicited ramblings I'll just remark that I am delighted to find the tuning now more closely aligns with real life.

:cheers:
Great input, and never hesitate to drop in...I enjoy your posts and input on car handling and tuning everytime you do. Always welcome sir.👍
 
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