Congressman Ron Paul

[Solid Fro]

 

[FoolKiller]

Omnis, I was in Florida this past weekend down in the Ponce Inlet/New Smyrna area and I noticed a huge viral Ron Paul campaign going on down there with Ron Paul signs put on various blank spaces and even stickers stuck on the condiments basket at a restaurant I went to.


Aside from the over-zealous traffic cops (speed limit enforced by air, really?) what's going on down there?

 

[YSSMAN]

We've got some Ron Paul banners flying in my overly-conservative home town, and there are a few signs and such up and down some of our most-traveled roads.

In all, Ron Paul is the only one with stuff up. Our primary is in less than three weeks, and I'm surprised by the lack of advertising and such. Ron Paul is the only one with stuff going, and my guess is that he stands a pretty decent chance of taking the GOP Primary if he can get enough of his word out to the pissed off factory workers and kids who are looking for a better alternative than Obama and whoever else seems to think they'll have a "positive" change in America.

 

[Keef]

I've seen two Ron Paul stickers on cars around here. Nobody in my shop knows who he is. The bottom line is that the old lazy man stereotype stands firm. All the guys I know are dumb and have given up; they think the big will win and there's nothing they can to change it.

I'm suddenly very frustrated. I've spoken to everyone and said "Do some research, you'll like him, I have no doubt. It's easy, just watch some videos. There's news and stuff all over the place. Type in Ron Paul and you'll be flooded with real information."

But they're old. Lazy. And dumb.

This is obviously not true for everyone, but it sure is in my situation. It's pathetic.

 

[Omnis]

Omnis, I was in Florida this past weekend down in the Ponce Inlet/New Smyrna area and I noticed a huge viral Ron Paul campaign going on down there with Ron Paul signs put on various blank spaces and even stickers stuck on the condiments basket at a restaurant I went to.


Aside from the over-zealous traffic cops (speed limit enforced by air, really?) what's going on down there?

Yeah, the Ron Paul support up in Orlando and Central/North Florida is amazing.

It's a bit subdued in comparison down here where I live mainly because most people are Democrats. But, as far as Republicans go, I've only seen one Rudy bumper sticker (pasted right next to a faded Bush/Cheney04), and Downtown Fort Lauderdale has Ron Paul stickers all over the place.

 

[Keef]

I actually just started watching his stuff today. I wish I would have been watching them all along so I'd know more about it. All his stuff seems really logical but I can't help but think that most people believe the logical way is the way to go. But I don't think anyone even knows if the logical way will work because nobody has ever tried it. The way we're doing it now isn't working so we might as well try something different...and easier!

 

[Omnis]

We had a constitutional republic at one point-- it's what made the country great in the first place. Now our country is owned by bankers, so I think we need to take care of that as soon as possible.

 

[YSSMAN]

...and Downtown Fort Lauderdale has Ron Paul stickers all over the place.

I could see that being the case after visiting. I'm sure that my cousin Mike isn't too happy about it...

 

[FoolKiller]

I actually just started watching his stuff today. I wish I would have been watching them all along so I'd know more about it. All his stuff seems really logical but I can't help but think that most people believe the logical way is the way to go. But I don't think anyone even knows if the logical way will work because nobody has ever tried it. The way we're doing it now isn't working so we might as well try something different...and easier!

You should read through some of his essays on his Web site. You realize he knows what he is talking about and adheres to how the founders laid out our country.



Also, I don't know if anyone saw the video on You Tube but some group of guys playing Team Fortress 2 found a way to block a door going out from their team's spawn point and so they were all trapped. Eventually he starts making them answer trivia questions to get out, but at one point he says, "Promise you will vote for Ron Paul and I'll let you out."

I'd post it here but it violates the AUP, as his teammates were obviously none too happy. Joystiq has it though.

 

[YSSMAN]

When, oh when, will Ron Paul be given a fair shot? Sure, he was given ample time to speak at the debate this evening, but my God, it just didn't seem as though it was fair at all. When everyone ganged up on him and his discussion of US foreign policy, I was about to pull my hair out. If my party is this incredibly stupid, save for Paul and Huckabee (only kinda), we seriously have issues.

I don't think I've been this frustrated after a debate, ever... Other than Paul and Huckabee, no one answered questions directly and rarely gave an adequate solution to a given problem. My former horse Guliani is a joke, and I just can't see him as a reasonable solution any longer. Thompson is an idiot, his joke about Romney preferring "Man Dates" was uncalled for and rather stupid. And McCain? Well, hes just "Old Man" McCain. I'm proud of him for bringing up global warming as a problem, but he really needs to adjust to be appealing to everyone.

After this one, I'm still sticking with Ron Paul. I pray that he and Huckabee and figure something out. They're the only ones making a shade of sense anymore...

 

[Omnis]

Ron Paul had some dynamite answers though. And the one about Obama... hopefully that'll pull the independents to his side.

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm hoping so as well. Honestly, I think that may have been one of the most important things that was said in the debate this evening. Add to that the mess thats currently going on with the Fox News deal (Ron Paul was kicked out, no reason given, NewsCorp stocks plummet, NH GOP pulls sponsorship of the debate), Ron Paul is looking very good right now to a lot of independent voters.

Lets hope the youth are truly motivated not just for the Democrats, if we want change in this country we all have to get out there, make our voices heard, and make sure we cast our votes.

EDIT:

Facebook isn't working for me right now. Must have caused a bunch of folks to log on and make their voices heard.

Both Paul and Obama were leading the other candidates by a large margin, and the other questions posed seemed to be pushing that further. Romney came off like an absolute idiot when he said "Drug companies aren't the bad guys." That alone makes me sad to be a member of the GOP...

 

[Omnis]

Romney came off like an absolute idiot when he said, "I'm Mitt Romney."

Anyway, today's Rasmussen tracking poll puts Ron Paul at third place for 14%:

McCain 31%
Romney 26%
Ron Paul 14%
Huckabee 11%
Giuliani 8%
Thompson 5%

 

[Tornado]

Thompson is an idiot, his joke about Romney preferring "Man Dates" was uncalled for and rather stupid.

You were expecting intelligence and serious from someone who didn't believe in John McClane?

And McCain? Well, hes just "Old Man" McCain. I'm proud of him for bringing up global warming as a problem, but he really needs to adjust to be appealing to everyone.

Then no one would vote for him.

 

[Omnis]

Speaking of McCain, did you guys see this video?



This guy is insane. Captain Ahab McCain. Check out the expression on all of the people's faces.

 

[Tornado]

This guy is insane.

In his defense, everyone who was going to vote for him already knew that.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Speaking of McCain, did you guys see this video?



This guy is insane. Captain Ahab McCain. Check out the expression on all of the people's faces.

Considering we've been in the Middle East for what, 25+ years in some capacity or another, McCain isn't wrong.

Now, do we want to be there for that long? No, I don't.

Do we have to be there that long? No.

Would we be safer being there that long. Yes, I do. Because, going away now isn't going to solve anything.

Is there a better way than 'baby sitting' the Middle East for the next 30 years? Yeah, but how? We cannot just walk away from it like Paul suggests.

 

[YSSMAN]

No, we certainly can't just "walk away," but we certainly can make better decisions as to how to apply our foreign policy. What Ron Paul talks about is the truth; Since World War II, foreign policy decisions made by American Presidents, and yes, even Congress has slid the world into a deep resentment of America and everything we do.

How do we fix that?

Well, you do what you can I suppose. Getting out of the Middle-East, discontinuing the constant picking on countries that generally have no quarrel with us, and the immediate discontinuation of supporting anti-democratic regimes needs to happen now. Romney and Guliani were flat wrong when they singled out the people if Islamic faith as the only ones who wish harm to us, its that same "arrogant" stance in foreign policy that has gotten us in trouble time and time again.

People often forget that we regularly knocked off political leaders in the 20th century for not following our policies. Everywhere from South America to the Mid-East, we've done it. And for what? Because we were afraid of people democratically electing governments that actually chose to follow the social issues of the country and create policies that meant something?

The continuation of the Bush Doctrine, despite its few merits in cases in which national security is in grave danger, just won't work anymore. Responsible, compassionate foreign policy, what President Bush ran on in 2000, is what we need now. Paul and Huckabee, it appears, are the only candidates who can deliver on that.

 

[Bram Turismo]

I probably shouldn't stick my nose in this too deep since I'm not an American but...Why doesn't Ron Paul get as much attention as Hilary and Obama do on TV? I only hear debats and this and that, just between these 2...

Hell, what do all of these even stand for? How does Paul have his views on the Iraq war?

 

[Omnis]

I probably shouldn't stick my nose in this too deep since I'm not an American but...Why doesn't Ron Paul get as much attention as Hilary and Obama do on TV? I only hear debats and this and that, just between these 2...

Hell, what do all of these even stand for? How does Paul have his views on the Iraq war?

Go to Issues on http://www.RonPaul2008.com

 

[Bram Turismo]

Wow, this guy makes sence...I've been watching a lot of the debats on Youtube lately, but Dr. Paul seems to use facts, real facts, more then the others tend to do... *runs for cover*

 

[Keef]

Mitt Romney uses Rogain. That means he's uncomfortable with his own body, and that means that he's concerned with looking good on TV an impressing the women of the nation as well as the issues. It's too bad people are actually dumb enough to vote for Mr. Hollywood because he's pretty. What a loser!

 

[YSSMAN]

Good news!

Rumors are flying here in Grand Rapids that Ron Paul is coming to town! I'll do my best to see if I can get in, but so far, I haven't received any official confirmation via E-Mail.

I'm looking forward to the next two weeks here in Michigan. They should be very interesting indeed...

 

[Swift]

I still say that RP's foreign policy is radically misinformed. I agree that we shouldn't "police" the world. But to have no military presence anywhere in the world outside of our borders, in this world, is just plain stupid.

I would love to get rid of the income tax. It will NEVER happen. There are too many vested interested in the IRS, accounting and a host of other services that are tied to income tax. But that isn't RP's fault.

 

[Solid Fro]

Mitt Romney uses Rogain. That means he's uncomfortable with his own body, and that means that he's concerned with looking good on TV an impressing the women of the nation as well as the issues. It's too bad people are actually dumb enough to vote for Mr. Hollywood because he's pretty. What a loser!

The same could be said about Silky Pony and his partner from four years ago.

Hell, if Rogain works that well, I'll pick some up right now.

 

[Blake]

I’d like to ask a question about Paul’s education policies. I was talking to a friend last night and I couldn’t come up with an answer to this question: does RP support a standardised national curriculum and testing?

I wouldn’t have thought so because he doesn’t want to keep the department of education; but I wonder how you can assess a student’s competence if there is not a standard measure. And if there is no department of education who develops the national curriculum?

 

[Azuremen]

I’d like to ask a question about Paul’s education policies. I was talking to a friend last night and I couldn’t come up with an answer to this question: does RP support a standardised national curriculum and testing?

I wouldn’t have thought so because he doesn’t want to keep the department of education; but I wonder how you can assess a student’s competence if there is not a standard measure. And if there is no department of education who develops the national curriculum?

The schools develop their own curriculum, obviously. We attempted to have a national standard with the No Child Left Behind act and similar bits of standardized testing and found they are all pretty much fail.

Privatize the schools and let people choose how to spend the money. Worlds better than the current system we have going now.

 

[YSSMAN]

I still say that RP's foreign policy is radically misinformed. I agree that we shouldn't "police" the world. But to have no military presence anywhere in the world outside of our borders, in this world, is just plain stupid.

I guess it depends on how you look at it.

I really don't see it being viable for us to have as many troops located in otherwise "non-hostile areas" as a good idea anymore. We don't need to be in Germany or Japan, we certainly don't need to be in Australia or parts of South America either. And yet, there we are, bossing folks around as usual.

Do I like the "get out of the Middle-East immediately" policy? No, not really. But, at the same time, being informed enough as to what we've done there (and in other parts of the world), it becomes increasingly clear that we need to stick to our own stuff. Our rather long history of taking out political leaders for really stupid things is just well, depressing. People wonder why the terrorists want to kill us, its quite simple: We gave them more than enough of a reason to be pissed off and retaliate... Hell, we even trained most of the folks who are training more people to kill us today. It was our Anti-Soviet literature of the 1980s that gave Osama (and the like) to try and rise against US power. Because we told them to.

At the very least, we can choose to "be nice" about things with our next President. Talking to our enemies, more often than not, will get more things done than chucking bombs at them and not putting enough boots on the ground.

Until the rest of the GOP field realizes that we without a doubt have the largest military and have no reason to expand it (Rudy, are you listening? We spend more than the rest of the world COMBINED), I don't think Ron's words will mean a damn thing. There isn't a single country or organization that thinks they can take our military on one-on-one, and more often than not, my guess is that they'd prefer to make a deal than sit through another situation like Iraq...

 

[Blake]

The schools develop their own curriculum, obviously. We attempted to have a national standard with the No Child Left Behind act and similar bits of standardized testing and found they are all pretty much fail.

Privatize the schools and let people choose how to spend the money. Worlds better than the current system we have going now.

And then how do employers or universities assess a student’s competence if there is no standard curriculum?

I am not sure how the current system in the U.S. works. Is an employer expected to know the curriculum of every school in the U.S. to know what someone from a particular school is capable of? For example, if a student completed Chemistry at X school, would an employer/university have to know that X School’s Chemistry curriculum does not cover something as well as Y school’s curriculum?

 

[Swift]

Until the rest of the GOP field realizes that we without a doubt have the largest military and have no reason to expand it (Rudy, are you listening? We spend more than the rest of the world COMBINED), I don't think Ron's words will mean a damn thing. There isn't a single country or organization that thinks they can take our military on one-on-one, and more often than not, my guess is that they'd prefer to make a deal than sit through another situation like Iraq...

You were making reasonably good sense till you got to this part. I think we need MORE money into our national defense. Why? Because the Iraq thing proves that we don't have enough to be in more then one front at a time. Whether or not the Iraq war was "legal" is irrelevant. It's really pitiful that we had to quite literally rebuild a lot of the armed forces just so we could do Afghanistan and Iraq. That's so radically sad. It should have, from a logistical standpoint, been cake. Obviously the Iraq strategy was jacked at some points. But the fact that the soldiers didn't have the proper equipment for the job is unforgivable.

That's where I think RP is missing the boat ant Gulliani is very correct. To be a world power, you have to have the ability to wield said power. If you want to get out of some of the none threatening places in the world, Ok, I can deal with that. But to cripple our military power by cutting spending is suicide for the country

Maybe they would talk. But MOST won't. But to be honest, what would we even say? Acquiesce or we'll bomb you? Seriously, think about it.