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- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
CORE | Australian V8 Supercars / Season FinishedFinished
- Thread starter ItzRacing
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- 1,133
- Murray Bridge
- ItzRacing
I've been racing for 14 years and have learnt at what points i have a right to hold my line. If 2 cars are going into a corner side by side (this isnt even a real corner either) they should both be able to come out side by side. There was plenty of overlap and i was moving across towards the wall to give Mike plenty of room to race me cleanly. If you look closely at the photos you will see i have already moved across the track towards the outside wall and the exiting of the turn clearly isnt finished yet. If I thought it was a completely blatant move, I would have given out a penalty, but i didn't think it warranted a penalty so its just a gentle reminder to be a little bit more cautious. As a result, the warning (that is all it is) still stands and I will not be discussing this any further, as we have all made our points and any discussion that continues from this will just be taking it around to the beginning of the circle again.
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- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
- 2,810
- Tasmania, AU
- stigsdaddy
Well I've watched the replay and I disagree that you ran wide, you cut in towards the apex more than I thought when I watched the replay from your car but whatever man. It definitely is a corner too, considering from the replay my car had red front tyres going through there, and I remember one lap with worn tyres I actually had to back off to prevent clipping the wall on the exit, so it's definitely a corner.
I'll also add that at no point in that corner did you lift off the throttle, you turned in from quite wide towards the apex, and even after we touched, you kept the throttle planted right till you hit the wall.
I'll also add that at no point in that corner did you lift off the throttle, you turned in from quite wide towards the apex, and even after we touched, you kept the throttle planted right till you hit the wall.
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- Melbourne
- MTLA1984
I feel there is more than enough room to run 2 wide through that section. The continuation of holding the line which forces contact is not right when 2 cars can fit on the track provided. If it were me in the situation running door to door i would know that being in Mikes position i have the inside line for the next real turning point after the straight and continue to hold that which would ask Itz to back off and slot in behind. This was in my opinion an avoidable incident and a simple warning is fair enough.
and i am team mates with both guys and have done a considerable amount of time on track with both, i am not biased toward either one.
and i am team mates with both guys and have done a considerable amount of time on track with both, i am not biased toward either one.
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- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Just going to add i've done V8 racing and managed side by side through there as well.
- 1,133
- Murray Bridge
- ItzRacing
What everyone needs to realise is that by giving a warning, essentially I'm just slapping his wrist and saying 'just try not to do it again'. I'm definitely not deeming him at fault enough to penalise him and take the race win which he deserved away from him.
- 2,810
- Tasmania, AU
- stigsdaddy
There is enough room to run side by side depending on if the driver on the outside stays on the outside, but in this case, Itz turned in towards the apex, and I wasn't left room to continue on my line, which I was entitled to, being on the racing line. I wasn't running right out to the wall, and after the contact, he kept the throttle nailed flat to the floor until he hit the wall, which tells me he had no intention of avoiding contact. My front tyres were already on the limit, and I was understeering, I couldn't simply turn more to give him more space, or I would have. I would have had to hit the brakes on apex to get more turn in, lifting off the throttle wouldn't have given me enough to alter my line, this would have meant giving away a position to someone who was on the outside, behind me (I don't care if I was only slightly ahead, I was ahead, and the driver on the outside needs to be at least half a cars length ahead to be able to lay claim to the corner), and off the racing line. That was my corner, I was not doing anything wrong.
This whole thing has just sapped all the fun out of this series. It is supposed to be fun, it's a game ffs and you're making the rules stricter than Formula one, and making up new rules as you go along, since I didn't actually fall foul of any of the CORE rules.
For this reason I have decided to no longer take part in this series. I have nothing to prove by continuing to win, and since it is being taken way too seriously, and I am being blamed for something where I was not in the wrong, it's just taken the fun out of what could have been a great series.
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- Melbourne
- MTLA1984
ok? so you put yourself in a position which forced contact on another driver unless they took action? is that what you meant?, the other driver doesnt know this, he just drives the line he is given and if someone hits him because they are out of control i think its pretty clear cut. Door to door racing around that corner is more than possible.
as i have mentioned in private msgs, goodluck with it all mate. sorry to see you go but if thats what you chose than i wish you the best.
- 2,810
- Tasmania, AU
- stigsdaddy
Nope, if you're suggesting that in racing you shouldn't drive to the limit of your car then I obviously didn't get that memo. When you are driving a car on the limit through a corner, it drifts towards the outside of the corner, that is normal, it is the reason why the driver attempting a pass around the outside is the one who needs to make sure no contact is made. He had more than enough room to give me room, and he drove onto my line, and would have known full well it would result in contact. After the contact, he could have lifted to prevent his car going into the wall, but in the replay his throttle stayed planted at 100% until he hit the wall.
He also attempted another pass two corners later in which he dove toward the inside from too far back, and contacted my left rear quarter, which was only a very light contact, but resulted in me needing to lift and countersteer to keep control. I wouldn't expect anything to be said about that, because in my mind it was a racing incident and no harm was done, but I could have easily done what he did and keep the foot planted and not countersteer and I would have lost control into the wall. Where's the line?
Anyway, I don't care about opinions, because I provided a link to known racing regulations on this topic, including FIA sporting regulations, and real world examples of this exact situation which supports my view.
Good luck with the series.
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- Tasmania, AU
- stigsdaddy
Red tyres happens when you're on the grip limit, in order to alter your line on the inside you need to brake to get more turn in, which is not necessary when you have the racing line. I wasn't out of control, to suggest that is ridiculous.
Look up the racing regulations of any real life series and you'll see I'm right. I've used facts to back my side, and precedents from decades of these regulations. You've only argued with some vague, loosely defined OPINIONS of what you think clean racing is.
Look up the racing regulations of any real life series and you'll see I'm right. I've used facts to back my side, and precedents from decades of these regulations. You've only argued with some vague, loosely defined OPINIONS of what you think clean racing is.
- 1,133
- Murray Bridge
- ItzRacing
Okay here is the easy way to sort this, using the rules that Mike has brought up.
Looking at all the case studies between Hamilton and Rosberg, the following driver was always at fault because the following driver was never far enough alongside for the defending driver for there to be a legitimate reason for the attacking driver to continue his course. I was all but dead level with you and had every right to continue taking the corner side by side with you. Without suffering from contact. If 2 cars are side by side, one car cannot just take a away the line of the other driver, regardless of whether they were on the racing line or not. It doesn't matter who was involved, the verdict would have been exactly the same.
It is sad that you feel you have to leave the series over a minor issue which has only been dragged heavily into public forum by people from outside the series, who have interests in other series that are similar to this. If you want to, you are more than welcome to continue racing in the series and there will be a space left available for you to rejoin if you choose. I suggest that you go away and have a long think about it over the weekend and work out what you really want to do. I'm more than happy to continue racing with you and know that we will both be more than capable of racing each other cleanly from now on.
As far as I'm concerned, any further additions to this debate will not be discussed any further, unless people get in contact with me via PM. This has gone on for far longer than necessary.
Looking at all the case studies between Hamilton and Rosberg, the following driver was always at fault because the following driver was never far enough alongside for the defending driver for there to be a legitimate reason for the attacking driver to continue his course. I was all but dead level with you and had every right to continue taking the corner side by side with you. Without suffering from contact. If 2 cars are side by side, one car cannot just take a away the line of the other driver, regardless of whether they were on the racing line or not. It doesn't matter who was involved, the verdict would have been exactly the same.
It is sad that you feel you have to leave the series over a minor issue which has only been dragged heavily into public forum by people from outside the series, who have interests in other series that are similar to this. If you want to, you are more than welcome to continue racing in the series and there will be a space left available for you to rejoin if you choose. I suggest that you go away and have a long think about it over the weekend and work out what you really want to do. I'm more than happy to continue racing with you and know that we will both be more than capable of racing each other cleanly from now on.
As far as I'm concerned, any further additions to this debate will not be discussed any further, unless people get in contact with me via PM. This has gone on for far longer than necessary.
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- Tasmania, AU
- stigsdaddy
You obviously haven't looked at either those incidents involving Rosberg and Hamilton, or where you were in relation to me in the replay. At no point were you dead level, you were always slightly behind, just as Rosberg was when hamilton cut his line off in Bahrain. In F1, you, the car on the outside, need to have half a car length lead to have a claim to the line. You turned onto my line in the race, even though you were behind, and you were never going to make that corner doing that. You knew that, which is why you didn't bother to back off the throttle, and just drove into the wall at full pelt, instead of backing off. My guess is you thought it would cause you damage, and by default you'd inherit the win by handing me a penalty for your own mistake.
I won't continue this any more, because I refuse to argue over something that is a well established fact in real racing. If you think your opinion on the incident is how you want the rules to be, so be it, but perhaps you should write some more specific rules, instead of the extremely vague one's on CORE's website, which I didn't breach.
I won't continue this any more, because I refuse to argue over something that is a well established fact in real racing. If you think your opinion on the incident is how you want the rules to be, so be it, but perhaps you should write some more specific rules, instead of the extremely vague one's on CORE's website, which I didn't breach.
- 1,133
- Murray Bridge
- ItzRacing
Well, we are only a few hours away from round 2 of the series!
I hope everyone has been getting plenty of practice over the last couple of weeks.
I have sent a message to everyone over PSN, but could everyone who is racing tonight please add MTLA1984 on PSN. He will be our room host tonight. He has a much better connection than I do, so hopefully it will create a more stable room and we wont have anyone dropping out tonight.
I hope to see you all on the track tonight
I hope everyone has been getting plenty of practice over the last couple of weeks.
I have sent a message to everyone over PSN, but could everyone who is racing tonight please add MTLA1984 on PSN. He will be our room host tonight. He has a much better connection than I do, so hopefully it will create a more stable room and we wont have anyone dropping out tonight.
I hope to see you all on the track tonight
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- Killing-Heidi
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- Victoria
- Killing-Heidi
it was brilliant fun mate. i was pretty out of whack tonight. damage in race 1 and 3 caused my G27's wheel on a mass angle!
after watching the reply. memto89, was that you in the Chev man? what a classic crash, i think it was race 2?
i couldn't stop rewinding and watching SOO frigging cool. i was happy i wasn't caught up in it lol.
i was really struggling not to cross over chicanes with such damage, so, sorry to anyone i may have tapped into.
other than that, Glen showed his true form tonight. a lot of fast racers i must add to. great to have MT back and his flying as usual!
couldn't ask for a better field tonight. well done all. @ItzRacing and CORE sure has set up an awesome season of V8's. looking forwards to more racing
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- memto89
I'm not so sure the guys that got caught up in it will say the same haha
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- Murray Bridge
- ItzRacing
Yeah, definitely agree with you there @memto89. It was definitely a great night of racing.
I had a really awful night and to be honest I probably deserved my results! lol
But being buried in the pack meant i got to take part in some really good racing.
I'm not sure what happened with Scotty on the last corner of race 1, but i definitely tried to not run into you. I'll check the replay to see whether it was my fault.
Race 2, I had an awesome battle with @Killing Heidi and memto at the start and buried myself in the sand as a result. Still managed to come through the field to cross the line in 2nd. Sorry to @bencrow_, I was a little too ambitious in my passing attempt on you and will accept the penalty for that one.
Race 3, was very interesting driving with a very damaged car, i knew I was in a reasonable position that i would never regain if i pitted, so my best option was to try and hang on! I could handle the left rear damage easily on its own. Sorry to @Glenalz81 about the contact, i hope i didnt do any damage to you.
Finally well done to Glen on his round Win!, you were the most consistent driver over the night and thoroughly deserved the 2 race wins and all the points. Also congrats to @Mtla1984 for taking out race 3. It was good to see you get a well deserved win after a rough night.
All in all, i thought it was a very fun night! I think we do need to work on getting a few guys up to speed a bit more, it will be really enjoyable to have everyone really close together. Its obvious that the Mustang needs restricting to equalize things though.
Now, its time to work doing stewards reports, race results, points and testing all the cars to try and help everyone out!
I had a really awful night and to be honest I probably deserved my results! lol
But being buried in the pack meant i got to take part in some really good racing.
I'm not sure what happened with Scotty on the last corner of race 1, but i definitely tried to not run into you. I'll check the replay to see whether it was my fault.
Race 2, I had an awesome battle with @Killing Heidi and memto at the start and buried myself in the sand as a result. Still managed to come through the field to cross the line in 2nd. Sorry to @bencrow_, I was a little too ambitious in my passing attempt on you and will accept the penalty for that one.
Race 3, was very interesting driving with a very damaged car, i knew I was in a reasonable position that i would never regain if i pitted, so my best option was to try and hang on! I could handle the left rear damage easily on its own. Sorry to @Glenalz81 about the contact, i hope i didnt do any damage to you.
Finally well done to Glen on his round Win!, you were the most consistent driver over the night and thoroughly deserved the 2 race wins and all the points. Also congrats to @Mtla1984 for taking out race 3. It was good to see you get a well deserved win after a rough night.
All in all, i thought it was a very fun night! I think we do need to work on getting a few guys up to speed a bit more, it will be really enjoyable to have everyone really close together. Its obvious that the Mustang needs restricting to equalize things though.
Now, its time to work doing stewards reports, race results, points and testing all the cars to try and help everyone out!
