ShobThaBob
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I didn't think that was set in stone. And I hope its not. $50k is cheap enough. I dont want the Corvette name tarnished by seeing highschool girls getting them for their 16th birthday presents (example: V-6 Mustangs). Nothing against Mustang by the way. Want a cheap Vette? Buy a Camaro.
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As opposed to the predominantly white middle aged dentist clientele that they have now?
They aren't going to lop 20,000 off the price. Probably 10 at most, but more likely just bringing it to the same price as the outgoing C6; still well out of the range of all but the most spoiled of teenagers.
They aren't going to lop 20,000 off the price. Probably 10 at most, but more likely just bringing it to the same price as the outgoing C6; still well out of the range of all but the most spoiled of teenagers.
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Dude, you have any idea what the odds of that happening are?
I don't know if you noticed, but they're too occupied by that fashion accessory called the Fiat 500.
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RACECARDude, you have any idea what the odds of that happening are?
I don't know if you noticed, but they're too occupied by that fashion accessory called the Fiat 500.
Lol Fiat.
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Hmm I wonder what the ZR1 will bring to the table.
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Hopefully widebody like the C6 Z06/ZR1. Non bicycle width tires, lower, and less ugly rear than it is currently. Z06 near 600hp and ZR1 700hp baby. Oh and how about a less angular rear. I hate the center bar taillight it reminds me of the Cadillac CTS and I hate origami. I just hope they make the Z06/ZR1 really stand out in appearance from the standard vette.
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I still am not onboard with the styling. I didn't like the C6 at first, but within a few months, I started to come around. The C7 though...it already looks aged. I actually think the Camaro looks more fresh somehow.
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2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51 has 3.8-Second 0-60 MPH Time: http://bit.ly/11QkrxR
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Oh I got reasons...1. CAMARO TAIL LIGHTS. Hey, I like change as much as anyone else but the Vette's tail lights are simply sacred ground. They were kind of square in the C4, but still largely resembled the standard, famed round tail lights. The Vette's rear fascia was something largely untouched since the C3. Already people are plotting to fit their C7 Stingray with a conversion kit that honors its lineage and doesn't resemble a lesser sports car.
2. $100,000. What the hell kind of a MSRP is that? Hey, I understand that this particular "Stingray" version is nice and all but the Vette didn't come all this way on an outlandish MSRP. I believe the pervious standard Vette (6.2L C6) had 430hp and was less than half the price. The Z06 had 505hp and did nudge that $100,000 price point from time to time, depending on the dealer but it was the most equipped Corvette money could buy; that is until the ZR1 and then things started getting ridiculous, but its a ridiculous car.
What I see in this C7 is Chevy spent a lot of time redesigning different components, but I feel they over complicated what typically was a simple car. Which brings me to my next point...
3. 7 Speed Manual Stick Shift. 7 Speeds. 👎 Since the C4, the Corvette was known to have a pretty solid 6 speed transmission. So why fix something that isn't broken to begin with? What does anyone need 7 speeds for? This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say Chevy has over complicated something that should be simple to them. Its laborious to drive a 5 speed, much less a 6 or holy crap a 7 speed trans.
This new 7 speed tranny has some un-needed technology in it that that kind of takes the control out of your hands, and it senses and tries to predict the next shift you'll make. WHY! This isn't the first time they've dabbled too much in shifting technologies. The C5 was known for its skip shift technology which a lot of Vette owners did away with. Anyone driving around in a $45,000 V8 sports car deserves the full brunt of gouging gas prices. Right off the bat we've got two components that aren't necessary that undoubtedly drove the price tag way up for no damn reason at all. I feel like people might trash this 7 speed crap and fashion an old school sixer in there.
4. LED trim in the headlights. I'm seeing this more and more and it doesn't look more out of place than on the new gen Viper (which is ugly as hell BTW) but I wasn't surprised when I saw it yet again on the Vette. What is the point? Why do we need this? Can we not do something a little more original?
I think it started with Audi and though I hate them with a passion I had to admit that it looks good. But somehow car companies saw this as a price point and just about EVERYTHING has this LED trim around the headlights. I don't see played out features in the car industry very often and if I do they aren't memorable enough but this LED trim thing is definitely on P.O. status.
It would be different if it was the 3rd or 4th sport car to do it after Audi, because the novelty wouldn't have worn off yet. But it wasn't. Its perhaps one of the latest cars to receive the treatment. Chevy, for $100,000 can we at least not blatantly rip off styling queues from one of its competitors? 👎
5. So far not impressed with the color choices I've seen.
Horrendous neon red or some kind of gun metal dark grey? You know a car company is trying too hard when one of its options is a NEON RED. It looks like it was painted with a gel pen. The damn car looks like it glows in the dark. Once again it doesn't take but a few moments to refer back to the Vette's lineage where its loudest colors have been Millennium Yellow (C5) and Victory Red (C6). I don't recall louder colors than these in the Vette's long history of production because it never needed them. And I'm kind of put off on this whole neon color thing since I started seeing neon green/pink wheels on mundane colored WRXs and Civics. Then I saw what looked to be a neon orange SRT Viper TA. Good lord what is SRT doing with the Viper?6. You know a car is well designed when it doesn't need the influence of neon colors. Unfortunately I side more with the C5/C6 Vettes in over body design, though not a fan of the ZR1. This new Stingray is just simply too busy and suffers from obvious clash originating from subtle elements in its design. I'm sure Chevy took a more Ferrari-esque approach, you know function over form. But that doesn't always make a beautiful car. When I see a Ferrari I can admire its design, as if looking at the gears of a Rolex watch ticking away. You just have to appreciate what we can do in this world and things like a Ferrari and Rolex watch inspire those kinds of admirations.
This Stingray Vette doesn't do that. I'd compare my admiration for its design in much the same way I could appreciate a Frisbee in mid flight. I'm sorry it just looks cheap and way over done with all of its techy little queues. I prefer a more simplistic design with the Vette because I consider it a rather simple machine. I feel like that's were in recent times, the Corvette has really proven itself. Its a low profile car with just enough form over function that it works great both aesthetically and functionally. My favorite example of this is the C5, the 2004 Z06 in particular. Lots of performance engineering behind it but not really at the cost of screwing up its lines.
The ZR1 is the best example of a Vette trying too hard. Chevy slapped on a bunch of aeros, put a cut out in the hood, and made the car work on an entirely different level than what it was meant for. Surprisingly it worked, but still the ugliest Corvette in history. This C7 Stingray with all its vents, diffusers, and wings comes in a very close second. I'm sorry, but Chevy never really put that much attention to detail in a Vette and it takes itself far too seriously. It looks like something you'd launch into space, rather than cruise down main street with.
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A perfect example of someone not doing any research.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/26/embargo-friday-4-26-12-30pm-est-2014-chevrolet-corvette-sting/
How about better fuel economy? Because, you know (nah, you don't or you wouldn't have posted this), fuel economy has become a large selling point for sports cars. The shorter gear ratios should also allow for quicker performance.
Secondly, how in the hell is it any more laborious driving a 5-speed over a 6-speed? Lord, are you weak or something that you can't move that gear lever into an extra slot in the gearbox?
Third, drive one & then comment. If it works anything like Porsche's 7-speed manual, it won't feel any different to a typical manual gearbox, but with an extra gear to get used to.
I can't tell if the rest of your post can be seen as legitimate opinions or more uninformed drivel.
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I truly don't understand the 7 speed gearbox honestly. A lightweight sports car with a very broad torque curve does not need 5-6 short ratios.
As engine technology gets more and more refined engineers continually increase the usable torque band of engines, especially with turbocharging. It's now very common to see maximum torque figures listed in generously wide ranges rather than in peaks. And yet paired with these 'wonderful' new engines, we have gearboxes that increasingly reduce the RPM range in which each gear works? I don't understand it.
Also, I don't really see how having an extra cog could really increase fuel efficiency. The 7th gear in the C7 Corvette is very likely the same or similar ratio as the 6th gear in the C6 Corvette. And what do you get for it in return? One more aggressive ratio? For better acceleration above 150mph? In a street car? Come on now...
Edit: Just read that gears 1-6 are essentially the same as the C6, with a taller overdrive added for 7th. I really don't see the point of that. Why not just make 6th gear longer? The C7 will have three overdrive ratios. Honestly, why? WHY?! One for cruising at 60? One for 70? One for 80? The car is predominantly for the US market...we don't exactly have autobahns with sustained high speed cruising here...
Manual trans should be 1-4 nicely spaced ratios and 1, possibly 2 overdrives. And aircooled. I need to buy my Porsche 964 already...
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Actually not really. Because DCT.
As engine technology gets more and more refined engineers continually increase the usable torque band of engines, especially with turbocharging. It's now very common to see maximum torque figures listed in generously wide ranges rather than in peaks. And yet paired with these 'wonderful' new engines, we have gearboxes that increasingly reduce the RPM range in which each gear works? I don't understand it.
Also, I don't really see how having an extra cog could really increase fuel efficiency. The 7th gear in the C7 Corvette is very likely the same or similar ratio as the 6th gear in the C6 Corvette. And what do you get for it in return? One more aggressive ratio? For better acceleration above 150mph? In a street car? Come on now...
Edit: Just read that gears 1-6 are essentially the same as the C6, with a taller overdrive added for 7th. I really don't see the point of that. Why not just make 6th gear longer? The C7 will have three overdrive ratios. Honestly, why? WHY?! One for cruising at 60? One for 70? One for 80? The car is predominantly for the US market...we don't exactly have autobahns with sustained high speed cruising here...
Manual trans should be 1-4 nicely spaced ratios and 1, possibly 2 overdrives. And aircooled. I need to buy my Porsche 964 already...
Edit 2: The future of sports car driving:
Actually not really. Because DCT.
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For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would be against increasing fuel efficiency that is achieved without any negative impact on the performance or how "fun" the car is otherwise. Fuel costs add up, and if I can squeeze a few more mpg out of the car easily and only when I want, then why would I consciously prevent myself from doing that? I drive a car with 5-speeds, and the gears and final drive ratio combination is way too short. I wish I either have a taller final drive ratio, or a 6th and 7th gear for cruising down the highway.
And it's "laborious" to drive a 5 speed manual? What makes the 5th, 6th and the 7th speed particularly laborious? Is the 4th or 3rd or 2nd gear laborious to shift to also? How is that any different from shifting into 6th or 7th gear?
I don't see this as a problem at all. First and foremost, it's a styling cue. Every single car has taken inspiration from something else from somewhere in the past. Also, as almost all cars nowadays have daytime running lights, it makes a lot of sense to have the always-on lights be LED, since LEDs have a much longer lifespan than conventional bulbs.
This red isn't particularly out of line with the reds that some previous Corvettes have been offered with. In my opinion, some of the bright greens and yellows that were offered in the 60s and 70s were more "neon" than this.
This.
And this too.
The less gears you have, the more compromises between acceleration and fuel economy you make.
If in 6th gear, I'm cruising at 60mph at 1800rpm, giving me say 30mpg, but if I'm in 7th gear, I'm cruising at 60mph at 1200rpm, giving me say 32mpg, I'm happy to take the car that would give me 32mpg instead of 30mpg. Does the difference matter for one gallon of fuel? Probably not. But does the difference matter for all the fuel used over the lifetime of the car? Absolutely.
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👍 lol. I know they were going for the '67 68 69 Camaro lights on the refresh and I love that look but they did manage to somehow screw it up to look like Prelude lights.
Wut?DEATHSARTHE
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Because it'd probably get even better MPG the faster you're going. The torque would likely allow it to do 100mph at around 2k rpm. Sick.
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And again, that's something just about nobody will ever do because it's illegal in the car's home market. I can understand a 7 or 8 speed DSG or automatic because they shift so quickly and seamlessly that it doesn't really matter. But 7 speeds in a manual transmission is too many.
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Not necessarily. You know how I said the less gears you have, the more compromises you have to make between acceleration, top speed and fuel economy (taken to the extreme, imagine a 1-speed transmission versus a 6-speed transmission)? By adding a 7th gear, the 6th gear can be designed for a smaller range of vehicle speeds, allowing it to be better optimized for a specific set of characteristics. The 6th speed can now be left for a fair compromise between acceleration and fuel economy, but the 7th gear can be used for terrible acceleration but fantastic fuel economy, for those times when acceleration is not needed.
Also, with varying speed limits on different roads, it does make sense to cruise at 50 mph, or 40 mph, or 30 mph, depending on the road you're on. In those situations, rather than having to choose between a way too tall 6th gear and lug the car, or a shorter 5th gear that keeps the car's revs higher than necessary, the 6th gear could be shorter, allowing the engine to turn over at a lower speed.
The more gears you have, the closer you essentially get to a CVT.
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But they haven't even done what you said. It's the same gearing as before, but with simply an additional overdrive.
If CVT's were exceptionally better than a standard 5 or 6 speed gearbox, I would agree that more ratios = better. But they have proven to not be substantially better/efficient, and attempting to approach CVT levels of ratio selection with a conventional gearbox is just ludicrous. This is a large displacement V8 we are talking about, 6th gear can probably start the car from rest if you really wanted to. I can cruise in overdrive at 30mph in my 2 just fine. It has less than 100lbs*ft of torque.
If CVT's were exceptionally better than a standard 5 or 6 speed gearbox, I would agree that more ratios = better. But they have proven to not be substantially better/efficient, and attempting to approach CVT levels of ratio selection with a conventional gearbox is just ludicrous. This is a large displacement V8 we are talking about, 6th gear can probably start the car from rest if you really wanted to. I can cruise in overdrive at 30mph in my 2 just fine. It has less than 100lbs*ft of torque.
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Being from Texas, you should be quite familiar with the reality of high speed limits. It's completely reasonable for people to be traveling at 5-15mph over the speed limit. So it's quite easy to imagine that MANY people will be doing this and getting away with doing it in front of police officers.
