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It is possible that COVID-19 could cause us Americans to become even worse at this.
 
Biggles
My assumption is that "there is no standardisation when it comes to any statistics or testing" is a big part of the explanation. As a consequence, it's really hard to know what is really going on internationally. Did China really have so few cases/deaths? Does Brazil really have so few cases/deaths? Does Russia really have so few cases/deaths? etc.
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Without questioning the lack of standards regarding statistics (which is plausible), and not entering the conversation about China and Russia err... accuracy, I can only talk about Brazil.

Yes, there is a clear situation of undernotification here. Despite some local mayors and governors efforts, nationwide we are only testing people when there is a clear combination of symptoms, and we already have a long queue for results, including deaths. This is happening because... there is a lack of testing materials. Although a lot of universities are researching ways of testing locally, this demands time (and production scale), so in a short time, we are dependent on imports.

But with the irresponsibility of our president, we delayed efforts for importing goods from China, at the same time that his sons (all politicians) and the Education Minister (a resentful polemicist, incompetent and goofy as hell) used the situation to offend China and the Chinese Embassy with racist and xenophobic attacks, only increasing the tension with them (which by the way, is our biggest economic partner, to see their lack of responsibility. This doesn't change the fact that China is a nasty dictatorship, but there are right times and right ways to call that, not when you depend on them, and not with racism).

During that, on a plane stopover in the US, some materials that were already in the way for us, including paid ventilators, were "deflected", in a kind of modern piracy move. But this will not be condemned by our Foreign Affairs Minister, since he is neglecting coodenating efforts internationally. This is because... he believes that we should be subservient to, quote, "the God of Donald Trump", and everything is part of a globalist communist plot, involving the WHO, UN, the opposition, the media, and Europe (UE = communism for them, yeah...), and he also joined the attacks... to China. Remembering that the Itamaraty Palace, a historic diplomatic pride for us, is now led by this lunatic, really grinds my gears.

And yesterday, amidst all the efforts from cities and states to maintain social distancing, our wannabe dictator joined a far-right protest demanding... a military coup, with him as supreme leader...

And to add:

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/16/bolsonaro-fires-health-minister-brazil-coronavirus/
 
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Warte
Without questioning the lack of standards regarding statistics (which is plausible), and not entering the conversation about China and Russia err... accuracy, I can only talk about Brazil.

Yes, there is a clear situation of undernotification here. Despite some local mayors and governors efforts, nationwide we are only testing people when there is a clear combination of symptoms, and we already have a long queue for results, including deaths. This is happening because... there is a lack of testing materials. Although a lot of universities are researching ways of testing locally, this demands time (and production scale), so in a short time, we are dependent on imports.

But with the irresponsibility of our president, we delayed efforts for importing goods from China, at the same time that his sons (all politicians) and the Education Minister (a resentful polemicist, incompetent and goofy as hell) used the situation to offend China and the Chinese Embassy with racist and xenophobic attacks, only increasing the tension with them (which by the way, is our biggest economic partner, to see their lack of responsibility. This doesn't change the fact that China is a nasty dictatorship, but there are right times and right ways to call that, not when you depend on them, and not with racism).

During that, on a plane stopover in the US, some materials that were already in the way for us, including paid ventilators, were "deflected", in a kind of modern piracy move. But this will not be condemned by our Foreign Affairs Minister, since he is neglecting coodenating efforts internationally. This is because... he believes that we should be subservient to, quote, "the God of Donald Trump", and everything is part of a globalist communist plot, involving the WHO, UN, the opposition, the media, and Europe (UE = communism for them, yeah...), and he also joined the attacks... to China. Remembering that the Itamaraty Palace, a historic diplomatic pride for us, is now led by this lunatic, really grinds my gears.

And yesterday, amidst all the efforts from cities and states to maintain social distancing, our wannabe dictator joined a far-right protest demanding... a military coup, with him as supreme leader...

And to add:

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/16/bolsonaro-fires-health-minister-brazil-coronavirus/
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So it's not that bad then? :ouch:
 
We still aren't in a health catastrophic environment... Yet. The numbers aren't alarming (cynically) right now, even with the subnotifications. Like I said some posts before, most mayors and governors acted relatively properly, declaring social distancing measures, creating temporary hospitals and/or increasing beds, anticipating the rise of the curve... but we aren't testing. Right now there is no race towards hospitals, what maybe is causing some relaxation which, unfortunately, can create the catastrophe... And with the ideology of the president and his supporters not helping, wanting only to impose their far-right distopia...

Politically and economically, we are in a deep mess.
 
Warte
We still aren't in a health catastrophic environment... Yet. The numbers aren't alarming (cynically) right now, even with the subnotifications. Like I said some posts before, most mayors and governors acted relatively properly, declaring social distancing measures, creating temporary hospitals and/or increasing beds, anticipating the rise of the curve... but we aren't testing. Right now there is no race towards hospitals, what maybe is causing some relaxation which, unfortunately, can create the catastrophe... And with the ideology of the president and his supporters not helping, wanting only to impose their far-right distopia...

Politically and economically, we are in a deep mess.
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I have been watching Brazil as an important test case for both a BRICS country AND a country with a "warmer climate". If the virus manages to take a strong hold there, it spells another serious blow to the world economy & the potential for many more hundreds of thousands of coronavirus deaths.
 
Submerged
I've not seen this before, is it possible to give the full name?
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It's an acronym for the emerging nations - those that are not quite fully developed, yet well on the way: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.
 
Submerged
I've not seen this before, is it possible to give the full name?
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Quick Google search returned that it is an acronym of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. I had never heard of it either.

EDIT: And beat to the punch multiple times.
 
Blitz24
Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. These are considered the 5 emerging national economies.
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Famine
It's an acronym for the emerging nations - those that are not quite fully developed, yet well on the way: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.
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Brett
Quick Google search returned that it is an acronym of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. I had never heard of it either.

EDIT: And beat to the punch multiple times.
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Biggles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS

Large emerging countries with the potential for attaining economic super-power status. I suppose it's confirmation of the importance of globalization.
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Thank you all for replying and providing information on it, as I wasn't entirely sure if the Google search I did before I came back just now was what @Biggles was referring to

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52350082

Showing that the oil prices have gone negative in the US market, as a result of the Covid-19 issue, on top of the other factors with the suppliers of the oil production nations.
 
Submerged
Showing that the oil prices have gone negative in the US market, as a result of the Covid-19 issue, on top of the other factors with the suppliers of the oil production nations.
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There's always some sort of action & reaction taking place in the markets. In this case, one would assume that rock bottom oil prices will have a positive impact on the economies of oil importing countries like Japan & China ... but don't quote me on that. :dunce:
 
Biggles
I have been watching Brazil as an important test case for both a BRICS country AND a country with a "warmer climate". If the virus manages to take a strong hold there, it spells another serious blow to the world economy & the potential for many more hundreds of thousands of coronavirus deaths.
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Indeed.
Right now and as far as I know, the cities with most confirmed cases are São Paulo (subtropical), Manaus (rainforest), Recife and Fortaleza (litoranean, tropical), but there are confirmed cases in all states.

Edit: Rio de Janeiro too.
 
Warte
Indeed.
Right now and as far as I know, the cities with most confirmed cases are São Paulo (subtropical), Manaus (rainforest), Recife and Fortaleza (litoranean, tropical), but there are confirmed cases in all states.

Edit: Rio de Janeiro too.
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Sounds like Brazil is a large country ... I mean in a climatic way. Here, in Canada we've just got cold, really cold & extremely cold. :indiff:
 
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Just got in from work, we are currently struggling to get Bread and Flour in.

Apart from that there is no news...
 
We seem to have had a downturn too, Parcelforce are only sending out half of our bike orders, so DPD are having to pick up the slack. We're still operating on 4 day (more like 7 day) delivery schedule.
 
Well, it's discouraging. New Jersey has the 2nd highest infection rate (and 2nd highest fatality rate) in the US. We're far behind New York but we'd be number 8 on the list of countries. Pretty staggering considering we have a population the size of Switzerland. But the discouraging part is that today was the 4th highest in terms of new confirmed cases since the Pandemic started, and significantly higher than the last two days. And the day isn't over yet. It looks like our curve isn't ready to flatten anytime soon.
 
Richard Horton is the editor of The Lancet, a famous medical journal.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...bility-says-lancet-editor/ar-BB12UmAC?ocid=st

How good are the parties going to be when this is over.
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Danoff
People dying of disease is not the same thing as dying of a war. There is a huge moral subtext to that image that is just abandoned for sensationalism.
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This.

Johnson is here dealing with having sent by his own orders, young men to their deaths half a world a way in a war he is having to sell to the American people as just and necessary.

Plus the modern context that the war, as we all know, wasn't just, and certainly wasn't necessary, and could have been fought much more effectively particularly during the LBJ administration.

It doesn't even compare in the slightest.
 
Colorado is set to partially lift restrictions on April 27th.

Danoff
IMHO, he should set a target date of like... April 20 for state governors to ease back on restrictions. And he should set that date now, and stick to it, so that businesses can actually plan.
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Danoff
Why yes.
No particular reason, other than that it is not so near term as to discard what we have paid so dearly for, and yet not so long term that we cannot enable businesses to plan a recovery. Would you prefer April 13th or 27th? Either might be defensible.
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Today is April 20th (which is the date I threw out), but I consider April 27th to be within the error bars of what I posted on March 24th given that I explicitly mentioned it above. So... I called it. You heard it here first. I mean... at least with respect to Colorado.

I'm happy to hear that we're looking to roll back restrictions starting in a week. I'm somewhat expecting it to cause a rapid up-tick in cases and another shutdown though.

That beings said, if people can be smart, and cautious, maybe we can avoid that.


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Interesting that Colorado is reporting zero additional deaths or cases today. I wonder if that was orchestrated... I'm guessing not.
 
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For Americans, have any of you got your stimulus check yet? I'm still waiting on mine and when I go to the IRS website, it tells me it can't find me. I just want to be stimulated damnit!

No, but for real, I just want to buy a bunch of stuff from local businesses. Liquor mostly, but you know, from local distillers.
 
Joey D
For Americans, have any of you got your stimulus check yet? I'm still waiting on mine and when I go to the IRS website, it tells me it can't find me. I just want to be stimulated damnit!

No, but for real, I just want to buy a bunch of stuff from local businesses. Liquor mostly, but you know, from local distillers.
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I don't qualify for stimulus.
 

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