COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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I'm not sure if any other state is doing this (I have to imagine they are), but in Utah, everyone who lives here is being supplied with masks free of charge...well I'm sure I'm paying for it somewhere along the line.

https://coronavirus.utah.gov/mask/

They're also working to distribute masks to grocery stores, homeless shelters, and anywhere else that sees public interaction.

We still have people refusing to wear a mask, but if anyone says they can find one or they can't afford it, then at least we all know they're full of crap.
 
Joey D
I'm not sure if any other state is doing this (I have to imagine they are), but in Utah, everyone who lives here is being supplied with masks free of charge...well I'm sure I'm paying for it somewhere along the line.

https://coronavirus.utah.gov/mask/

They're also working to distribute masks to grocery stores, homeless shelters, and anywhere else that sees public interaction.

We still have people refusing to wear a mask, but if anyone says they can find one or they can't afford it, then at least we all know they're full of crap.
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That is great to hear. What is the recommendation in regard to face masks over there? We are being told they are not very effective but I don't know if that's just because we don't have a very good supply of them in the UK.
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/15/europe/german-cafe-noodle-distancing-scli-intl-grm/index.html

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PzR Slim
That is great to hear. What is the recommendation in regard to face masks over there? We are being told they are not very effective but I don't know if that's just because we don't have a very good supply of them in the UK.
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It depends on who you ask really. The CDC initially said don't wear masks, then it changed its tune and said to wear them. Most states are promoting mask usage at the very least, some are even mandating it for those going out in public. Here in Utah it's not a mandate but our governor strongly recommended it, which is why we have the program to distribute masks to everyone.

Me, I'm wearing a mask, but I have no idea how effective it is. I figure it can't hurt to wear it. Worst case it does nothing, the best case it helps.
 
Dotini
Tests =/= hoax, joke, rumor, mirage, or panacea. Put your faith in tests. Put your belief in tests. Bet your life on tests. They are truth, ultimate reality. /s

Seriously, in Washington State, tests are conspicuous by their absence.

As of today, May 14th, Washington has conducted 261,080 tests. Our population is 7.615 million.
17,512 positive
243,568 negative

total deaths 975
91% over age 60
52% over age 80

For this, we have bought into a full lockdown and a $7 billon shortfall in the state budget.
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And what would the number have been with no lockdown? That's the point.

What number of deaths is acceptable with regards to the $7bn? 1000? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?
 
Joey D
It depends on who you ask really. The CDC initially said don't wear masks, then it changed its tune and said to wear them. Most states are promoting mask usage at the very least, some are even mandating it for those going out in public. Here in Utah it's not a mandate but our governor strongly recommended it, which is why we have the program to distribute masks to everyone.

Me, I'm wearing a mask, but I have no idea how effective it is. I figure it can't hurt to wear it. Worst case it does nothing, the best case it helps.
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At the very least it stops you touching your own mouth and nose and passing the virus into your system that way.
 
This Covid crap has finally hit close to home if you know what I mean. Got some bad news this morning, a leader of one our local car clubs (Impala Nation) passed away from the Corona. She was a few years older than me and in very good health.
 
ryzno
This Covid crap has finally hit close to home if you know what I mean. Got some bad news this morning, a leader of one our local car clubs (Impala Nation) passed away from the Corona. She was a few years older than me and in very good health.
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Sorry to hear that. Are there any indications of why she might have succumbed to the virus?
 
...Does anyone here have access to the information on the overall cost of getting treatment for Covid19?

There was an article in one of the local news websites that said it's on average about R150,000 here in South Africa. Tried to google, but all I got was a handful of articles from well over a month ago. The sample pool from the local news article was only 97 people, though, and I just wanted to get a better understanding of the costs involved if you need to get the medical assistance from a hospital.
 
JKgo
...Does anyone here have access to the information on the overall cost of getting treatment for Covid19?

There was an article in one of the local news websites that said it's on average about R150,000 here in South Africa. Tried to google, but all I got was a handful of articles from well over a month ago. The sample pool from the local news article was only 97 people, though, and I just wanted to get a better understanding of the costs involved if you need to get the medical assistance from a hospital.
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In the US it's going to depend on several things. Did you end up in the ICU or a regular hospital room? How long were you there? What sort of medication were you given? Were you on a vent? What state are you in? Did you go to a non/not for profit hospital or a for profit one?

It's also going to depend on whether or not you have insurance and if you do, whether or not it's government insurance or private insurance.

To give you a rough ballpark estimate, you can assume $2,500 a day for a standard inpatient stay and $4,000 a day for ICU. So, someone who stays two weeks in the ICU following by two weeks in a standard inpatient unit, you're looking at (14 x $4000) + (14 x $2500) for a grand total of $91,000. This is pretty rough though and could easily be half that or double that depending on what needed to be done. Assuming someone how insurance, they're probably on the hook for 10% of that, or $9,100. But many insurances have a cap on how much you have to pay out of pocket, so someone could only be on the hook for $2,500 when it's all said and done. This also assumes everything is billed correctly, which is asking a lot since medical billing is notoriously bad.

I'm not sure offhand what Medicare/Medicaid (taxpayer-subsidized insurance) charges. If I could run charges through our system to give you an idea I would, but that gets into a grey area.

I know if I ended up in the hospital for a month with COVID-19, including 14 days in the ICU, I'd probably owe $800-$1,000. But I have excellent insurance and not everyone is that fortunate.
 
Dotini
Should you put somebody's head on a spike? Would Neil Furguson do?
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No, our politicians and decision-makers will be held to account by a full independent judge-led enquiry when we come out the other side of this.
 
PzR Slim
No punches pulled.
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1932
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No editors editing either. When you see it... :lol:

I'm a little confused on the final section too. What is the "public health" that has "been decimated" with a decade of austerity, given that the DOH budget has increased by £30bn in real terms over the last decade?

It seems to be quite a political piece in general in fact.

Edit: Well, here's the money shot:
Gabriel Scally, visiting professor of public health

"Such is the furore about SAGE’s composition and operations, that David King, the UK’s former chief scientific adviser, established an alternative “Independent SAGE” with a diverse membership including from public health, which advises publicly on the UK’s response to covid-19."

GS is a member of Independent SAGE.
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That'll be why it's a political piece.

Edit: Hoo boy, he's an ex-NHS public health director, who resigned his Civil Service job in DOH in 2012 after his own department staffing was cut. That's a nice axe he's got to grind there :lol:
 
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Joey D
In the US it's going to depend on several things. Did you end up in the ICU or a regular hospital room? How long were you there? What sort of medication were you given? Were you on a vent? What state are you in? Did you go to a non/not for profit hospital or a for profit one?

It's also going to depend on whether or not you have insurance and if you do, whether or not it's government insurance or private insurance.

To give you a rough ballpark estimate, you can assume $2,500 a day for a standard inpatient stay and $4,000 a day for ICU. So, someone who stays two weeks in the ICU following by two weeks in a standard inpatient unit, you're looking at (14 x $4000) + (14 x $2500) for a grand total of $91,000. This is pretty rough though and could easily be half that or double that depending on what needed to be done. Assuming someone how insurance, they're probably on the hook for 10% of that, or $9,100. But many insurances have a cap on how much you have to pay out of pocket, so someone could only be on the hook for $2,500 when it's all said and done. This also assumes everything is billed correctly, which is asking a lot since medical billing is notoriously bad.

I'm not sure offhand what Medicare/Medicaid (taxpayer-subsidized insurance) charges. If I could run charges through our system to give you an idea I would, but that gets into a grey area.

I know if I ended up in the hospital for a month with COVID-19, including 14 days in the ICU, I'd probably owe $800-$1,000. But I have excellent insurance and not everyone is that fortunate.
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'Merica.
 
PeterJB
So me and mum drove to Bristol Airport this morning to get tested, not a very pleasant experience. Only two other cars there getting tested. We had to stay in the car and were given the kits with not very helpful instructions. Had to blow our nose, put gloves on, and then rub the swab on our tonsils for 10-15 seconds without touching you teeth or tongue; easier said than done. I managed about two seconds of it while mum soldiered on to five. Then had to twist it around in your nostril for 10-15 seconds, this was much easier, albeit very irritating. We then put the swab in the vial and sealed it in the bio-hazard bag, only to be told we had to seal it in the plastic bag we given it in first, then seal that in the bio-hazard, despite the instructions saying nothing about the plastic bag. We were also told we could now remove our gloves while we tear the bio-hazard bags open to get at the vials, replace the bar codes and put them in the new bags and return them, which all kinda defeated the purpose of wearing the gloves in the first place. Should get results in a couple of days.
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Test came back negative. I've hardly left the house at all in the past two months so I'm not surprised.
 

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