COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Alaska gun deaths 2017 - 180 Covid-19 deaths 2020 - 20. Get a grip.

More testing = more cases
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Testing doubled, cases quadrupled. Explain.
 
Starting from July 15th, all Coronavirus data in America from hospitals were required by the Trump administration to be sent directly to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) instead of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). And now the results of this can be seen. Somehow, the amount of cases have stopped increasing as pointed out by this tweet.




You can see the data yourself here:
https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-positive


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It is possible that other sources have caused this downturn in positive cases, which is obviously a good thing, if it is in fact accurate, however, the way it correlates with the government mandate is not a good sign and will only cause more distrust from the public


Some sources about the CDC to HHS change

https://apnews.com/57de8f0d25d9066731e6bd8cad0373c4

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...cdc-seizes-control-of-national-covid-19-data/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/poli...tion-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html
 
Without sufficient proof & data showing it's indeed true, the only people who will blindly accept that at face value will be the same people who told you to stop listening to the same government about masks.
 
ProjectWHaT
Starting from July 15th, all Coronavirus data in America from hospitals were required by the Trump administration to be sent directly to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) instead of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). And now the results of this can be seen. Somehow, the amount of cases have stopped increasing as pointed out by this tweet.




You can see the data yourself here:
https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-positive


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It is possible that other sources have caused this downturn in positive cases, which is obviously a good thing, if it is in fact accurate, however, the way it correlates with the government mandate is not a good sign and will only cause more distrust from the public


Some sources about the CDC to HHS change

https://apnews.com/57de8f0d25d9066731e6bd8cad0373c4

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...cdc-seizes-control-of-national-covid-19-data/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/poli...tion-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html
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We as Americans should always make it a point of honor to righteously designate data manipulation like this in weirdo foreign countries like "China" but it is also our PATRIOTIC DUTY to accept whatever our government tells us is true.
 
Hydroxychloroquine+zinc+Z-pac was a great treatment for Covid-19. That is what I recall hearing on the news.

Then Trump praised it as a miracle drug.

Then the media attacked it, and democrat governors banned its use.

Here is a Houston Doctor.



I have seen news reports from even CNN, recently, that it is an effective treatment. If that is true, just think of the thousands of people that have died needlessly because of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Just let that sink in.
 
Chrunch Houston
Hydroxychloroquine+zinc+Z-pac was a great treatment for Covid-19. That is what I recall hearing on the news.

Then Trump praised it as a miracle drug.

Then the media attacked it, and democrat governors banned its use.

Here is a Houston Doctor.



I have seen news reports from even CNN, recently, that it is an effective treatment. If that is true, just think of the thousands of people that have died needlessly because of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Just let that sink in.
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The issue is that there's not yet a strong conclusion one way or another when it comes to using the drug to treat COVID-19.

It's not smart for Trump to come out and say 'yo this works 100%'. Because we don't know that. I had a look at some meta-analyses on Google Scholar, and they continue to state that we don't yet have concrete evidence to confidently state it's a miracle drug (@Joey D from what I remember you're more medial anthropology than sociocultural anthropology so you might be able to read the studies better than I did).

The medical sector cannot confidently state whether or not hydroxychloroquine is safe to treat COVID-19. Until enough studies state otherwise, it's potentially dangerous to use it as treatment. Because we don't know.
 
The origanal tweet was deleted by someone.

I found it and saved it to my own YT account. Here it is.

Here is what youtube said when I tried to upload it.

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Chrunch Houston
The origanal tweet was deleted by someone.

I found it and saved it to my own YT account. Here it is.

Here is what youtube said when I tried to upload it.

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Twitter canceled the video, so I got my own copy, When I tried to post it on Youtube, they canceled it before it was even posted. Why?
 
https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/f...o-of-doctors-making-false-coronavirus-claims/

Access restricted outside the US and the only other link is on CNN.

If Chrunch's Houston doctor is advising people against wearing masks and pushing for people to ignore studies showing hydroxychloroquine to be ineffective at the 15-day mark before all the facts are in then I'm not surprised it's being blocked. The article makes it sound like it's pushing an anti "big Pharma" conspiracy angle.
 
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She's out here making threats.


Edit* This woman is a nutjob.
Fellow Americans. How long are we going to allow the enemy to take over our beloved nation. How long are we going to allow the gay agenda, secular humanism, Illuminati and the demonic New World Order to destroy our homes, families and the social fiber of America. It is only the church that was given the mandate by the creator of the universe to thread upon serpents and scorpions.
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Surprise, she's part of what is basically, another "freedom fighting" group.
 
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OMG (no pun intended). Did she get her medical degree from Hollywood Upstairs College?

My mind needs some HCQ or possibly bleach after reading her feed. Evangelism and medical science sound like a bad mix. Good pick, Chrunch.
 
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In my State of Washington, infections are roughly double (but leveling out) what they were in the first wave. But hospitalizations and deaths are well down. Here and now, it seems a disease mostly of the young, the vulnerable old being now deceased. In other news, we have many, not just a few, people being injected with a promising new vaccine, half of the volunteers receiving a placebo. For my part, I've gone back to taking private fencing lessons and will start a Spanish rapier class restricted to 5 students starting this week. Not sure this fits with current standards of lockdown, which is constantly shifting depending on jurisdiction. I will go for a haircut next month, taking place in a commercial yet supposedly heavily regulated environment. Possibly I have some immunity due to an anomalous flu I had last November, or my type O negative blood. And my new humidifier is puffing away! It was 93F here yesterday., but humidity is dropping. Locally, public schools will not reopen in the Fall. Reduction of lockdown is being rolled back and will not go forward for some time. Wearing masks is mandatory in public, but there are many scofflaws. Sometimes I try to shame them by suggesting they are white supremacists. :rolleyes:

From the Wall Street Journal

Coronavirus Is Back With a Vengeance in Places Where It Had All but Vanished
Hong Kong, Japan and Australia are seeing new waves of infections after relaxing Covid-19 restrictions

Updated July 27, 2020 7:20 am ET

Australia reported only a handful of new coronavirus cases in early June, while Hong Kong went three weeks without a single locally transmitted infection that month. Japan had already lifted a state of emergency in May after the number of new cases dropped to a few dozen nationwide.

All three reported new high-water marks in daily infection numbers in the past week, showing how difficult it can be to keep the virus at bay, even in places lauded for taking early and decisive action.

The number of infections in all three places are still small in comparison to the world’s hardest hit countries, but the fresh waves demonstrate the tricky balancing act authorities face as they attempt to reopen their economies.

One misstep can quickly undo the gains from weeks of closures, and public-health experts say some complacency and fatigue with social-distancing restrictions is inevitable in a long pandemic.

In Australia, the southeastern state of Victoria recorded 484 new cases on Jul. 22, eclipsing a nationwide high set in March. By Monday, the state’s daily infections had climbed to 532—with most in the capital, Melbourne.

“We reported only two cases on June 9, less than six weeks ago, and this shows how quickly outbreaks can occur and spread,” Australia’s deputy chief medical officer, Michael Kidd, said.

Victoria has accumulated some 7,000 new cases since June 9.

The state’s chief health officer, Brett Sutton, said this month it is conceivable that most, if not all, cases there could have stemmed from staff members failing to adhere to infection-control procedures at hotels housing travelers returning from overseas. Infection clusters have since spawned in schools, public-housing towers and aged-care homes.

“Clearly there has been a failure in the operation of this program,” Victoria state Premier Daniel Andrews said June 30. Authorities haven’t said what the nature of the protocol breaches were, but they are now the subject of a judicial inquiry.

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Melbourne, Australia’s second most-populous city, is almost halfway through a six-week lockdown. Wearing a mask or face-covering is mandatory when venturing outdoors for essential tasks—but daily cases are still in the hundreds and rising.

“We were so close to having eliminated it from the whole of Australia,” said Adrian Esterman, professor of biostatistics at the University of South Australia. “We were a fingernail from doing it, and this happens.” He said that if new daily cases remained at current levels, it would soon become unsustainable for stretched contact-tracing teams to track infections.

Japan has seen a similar resurgence. The seven-day average for daily new cases in Tokyo more than quadrupled this month to 258 as of Sunday. Across Japan, there were a record 981 cases recorded Thursday. The government has again moved to secure hotel rooms to quarantine the infected after releasing most of the rooms it had previously requisitioned.

Officials said many of the new cases were young people linked to nighttime entertainment districts and that more parties and gatherings in general have contributed to the spread.

Last week, Japan’s government pressed ahead with a $10 billion cash-back campaign to promote domestic tourism—rolling it out earlier than planned but now excluding trips to and from hard-hit Tokyo.

Asked about the second wave, a spokesman for Prime Minister Shinzo Abe referred to a statement Wednesday in which he defended the government’s balancing of economic reopening and virus prevention.

Mr. Abe said, “The situation is significantly different from what we saw under the state of emergency in April,” because most of the new cases involve young people and hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. He said the government would “maintain sufficient vigilance against the spread of infections” while gradually reopening the economy.

Facing the prospect of a protracted recession after a year of antigovernment protests followed by the pandemic, Hong Kong’s government gave every adult permanent resident $1,290 to encourage people to spend and revive the recession-hit economy.

On June 16, city authorities lifted restrictions on indoor gatherings, restaurants and gyms. New local infections ceased—until July 5.

Why Some States Are Narrowing Access to Covid-19 Tests
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Why Some States Are Narrowing Access to Covid-19 Tests
As demand for Covid-19 testing outpaces supply, some health agencies are narrowing recommendations for who should get a test. WSJ’s Stefanie Ilgenfritz explains why the message about testing changed. Photo: Go Nakamura/Getty Images
Since then, Hong Kong has racked up more than 1,300 new cases, 87% of them locally transmitted. Within days of the cash handouts reaching residents, renewed social distancing saw fresh closures or restrictions on gyms, bars and restaurants.

Local epidemiology experts say they believe missteps by the government, such as exemptions for some foreign arrivals—including pilots, airline and cargo-ship crew—from testing or the 14-day mandatory quarantine, were factors in the latest wave of coronavirus. The city contained an initial outbreak brought by visitors from Wuhan, China, in late January, and then a second wave in March as travelers and students returned from overseas.

Hong Kong has tightened regulations following the latest outbreak—starting July 29, travelers from the U.S. will be added to a list of high-risk countries, requiring them to provide a negative test before flying and proof they have booked a hotel for their quarantine before boarding their flights.

“The problem is we have a lot of exempted persons,” said Dr. Leung Chi-chiu, chairman of the Hong Kong Medical Association’s advisory committee on communicable diseases. Between April and mid-July, at least 161,000 arrivals in Hong Kong were exempted from testing and having to quarantine, according to official figures.

The city’s health officials identified a number of recent clusters related to at least nine taxi drivers and their family members, and people who had visited the same restaurants. Six crew members from six different cargo ships in Hong Kong waters were confirmed carrying the virus, while airline workers have also tested positive since they were subjected to mandatory testing from July 8.

On Sunday, Hong Kong said it would start barring passenger and cargo ships from replacing crews, except for those unloading freight in the city.

Lockdown fatigue also played a part, said infectious-diseases expert Joseph Tsang Kay-yan, as the city’s residents have been living under social-distancing restrictions for more than six months.

Most of Australia has enjoyed prolonged spells without locally-transmitted infections. The relative speed at which the initial outbreak was contained and the low mortality rate, public health experts say, may have contributed to a sense of complacency by the time the second wave hit, despite constant government warnings.

Mr. Andrews, Victoria’s premier, said last week that a sample from this month’s outbreak showed nearly 90% of people didn’t self-isolate between showing symptoms and getting a test. Even after taking a test, he said, more than half didn’t self-isolate while awaiting their results.

“Pretending that it is [over] because we all want it to be over is not the answer,” he said. “It is indeed part of the problem.”
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/corona...ces-where-it-had-all-but-vanished-11595842202
 
Chrunch Houston
Hydroxychloroquine+zinc+Z-pac was a great treatment for Covid-19. That is what I recall hearing on the news.

Then Trump praised it as a miracle drug.

Then the media attacked it, and democrat governors banned its use.
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No, not even close.

Hydroxychloroquine might work in certain circumstances with certain patients. It is not a miracle drug by any means and it was attacked for good reason. Trump touted it without any scientific backing or really any trials at all, that's dangerous and just plain ignorant. Now that there's been more study done with the drug, we're seeing that in some patients it does improve their condition. However, we're also seeing that in other patients it raises their heart rate (which is bad for a potential cardiovascular disease like COVID) and increases liver enzymes.

It also wasn't banned by Democrat governors, but please, don't let that get in the way of spouting right-wing propaganda. What really happened was that some governors, who are Democrat, put in restrictions to limit stockpiling the drug.

Chrunch Houston
I have seen news reports from even CNN, recently, that it is an effective treatment. If that is true, just think of the thousands of people that have died needlessly because of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Seriously, this is Trump Derangement Syndrome. Trump is so stupid when it comes to anything medical you'd have to be a drooling idiot to believe anything he says regarding it.

Chrunch Houston
Twitter canceled the video, so I got my own copy, When I tried to post it on Youtube, they canceled it before it was even posted. Why?
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Well for one, it's a private company so it can ban whatever videos it wants on its platform. I know Trump and his faithful wants to be Commies and control what private businesses do, but they really can't. It was also banned because it's utter tripe that pushes misinformation that's dangerous. Keep that crap on Facebook or whatever social media platform people shout about things that are completely wrong.

Daniel
(@Joey D from what I remember you're more medial anthropology than sociocultural anthropology so you might be able to read the studies better than I did).
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I was a medical anthropologist many moons ago (8-9 years ago), now I'm just an analyst in healthcare. I do a bunch of work with predictive modeling and figuring out ways to get more patients to see clinicians in the shortest amount of time. Although if you watched me work you'd swear I just sat on the phone all day while goofing off online, then doing real work after everyone goes to bed.

With that said, there are far more intelligent people who frequent this thread that can give a better explanation than I can (i.e. @Touring Mars ).

McLaren
I'll admit I didn't Google these backgrounds very hard so my ignorance may be showing, but I don't see much expertise in virology coming out of this group. A 3rd of the group are eye doctors.
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I looked them up in various systems I have access to:
Dr. Urso is an ophthalmologist, but specializes in oculoplastics (essentially plastic surgery around the eye area) meaning he's more than just a dude that fits people for glasses.
Dr. Todaro doesn't practice medicine as far as I can tell and instead sells blockchain solutions.
Dr. Held is an ophthalmologist who doesn't take in health insurance, but based on an internet search seems to be a legit doctor as well.

Why these people are qualified to speak on drugs for a respiratory or cardiovascular disease is lost on me though. It'd be like asking a pharmacist to talk about knee replacement options. While they might have a better idea than the average person, they aren't specialized at all. Really the people that should be speaking about hydroxychloroquine are pharmacists, infectious disease doctors, internal medicine doctors, and cardiovascular doctors. They are probably the most qualified to actually say something that's meaningful.

Dr. Gold, Dr. Clark, and possibly Dr. Ladapo are the only ones on that list that probably have any kind of insight into the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine.
 
Chrunch Houston
The video I was trying to post is in that article.
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She goes against everything research has found though, especially with putting her staff on Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic. All research to this point has found that Hydroxychloroquine does not work as a prophylactic and is potentially harmful to patients. The risks do not outweigh the non-existent rewards.

I hope the Texas Medical Board investigates her and ultimately removes her license to practice medicine. What she's doing is dangerous and borders on malpractice.
 
UKMikey
https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/f...o-of-doctors-making-false-coronavirus-claims/

Access restricted outside the US and the only other link is on CNN.

If Chrunch's Houston doctor is advising people against wearing masks and pushing for people to ignore studies showing hydroxychloroquine to be ineffective at the 15-day mark before all the facts are in then I'm not surprised it's being blocked. The article makes it sound like it's pushing an anti "big Pharma" conspiracy angle.
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TBH, the state of studies on HCQ is absolutely pitiful. There was that meta-analysis that was retracted almost immediately for being so flawed (although it did seem to show that high doses on very ill patients was a bad idea). This study from Brazil seems very small, took so long, and was also on hospitalized patients (albeit "mild to moderate"), that I'd rather summarise it as finding "no apparent benefit" for that group - in other words it didn't add much to our knowledge (just perhaps reaffirms that HCQ is no miracle cure). The UK study on any prophylactic effect from HCQ only started in May and is unlikely to provide anything of statistical significance given the subdued numbers of infected currently - so that may present absence of evidence as evidence of absence in the same way that I suspect the Brazil study of doing.

After months, we seem to know very little more about its effectiveness, particularly as a prophylactic or in treatment non-hospitalized patients. I do in part blame the overblown reactions to high-profile, non-medical proponents like Trump and Bolsonaro for this lack of progress. Crackpot doctors don't help either, but should they be silenced for "misinformation" when what they have are unproven - not disproven - claims? I couldn't make it through much the video so correct me if I'm wrong, but if the main claim is that HCQ is a benefit for a GP's patients, outside of hospital, then we cannot categorically say that is false based on evidence. At best we can say it's not proven to be true.


Joey D
She goes against everything research has found though, especially with putting her staff on Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic. All research to this point has found that Hydroxychloroquine does not work as a prophylactic and is potentially harmful to patients. The risks do not outweigh the non-existent rewards.
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Your posted just as I'd finished typing the above, and maybe I spoke out of ignorance - I was not aware that any studies had reported on prophylactic use, let alone reported harmful effects regarding COVID outcomes from such use. Can you fill me in?
 
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Your posted just as I'd finished typing the above, and maybe I spoke out of ignorance - I was not aware that any studies had reported on prophylactic use, let alone reported harmful effects regarding COVID outcomes from such use. Can you fill me in?
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Sure thing.

This is one of the latest papers:
A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease

Postexposure therapy with HCQ did not prevent SARS-CoV-2 disease and infection in healthy individuals exposed to a PCR-positive case. Our findings do not support HCQ as postexposure prophylaxis for Covid-19.
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Here's another one from last month:
A Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Postexposure Prophylaxis for Covid-19

After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure prophylaxis within 4 days after exposure.
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As for the risks involved, this comes from the Department of Health and Human Services.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drug...oroquine-Cholorquine - 19May2020_Redacted.pdf

It found that many patients who took hydroxychloroquine suffered "QT prolongation" which is an abnormal heart rate that can lead to tachycardia. It also found that some patients had increased liver enzymes and hyperbilirubinemia, which leads to jaundice (yellowing of skin commonly seen in babies). There were other side effects, including mental and neurological, but those seem to be relatively small in number. Also when compared with a placebo, it was found those taking hydroxychloroquine had more side effects than those who weren't, adding to the credibility of the findings.

Will hydroxychloroquine cause severe issues in every patient? Nope, but there's pretty good evidence that it's not exactly a safe drug to use for the hell of it. I certainly wouldn't take it prophylactically, however, if I was under supervised medical care I would consent to taking it experimentally if I had a particularly severe case of COVID.
 
Joey D
Sure thing.

This is one of the latest papers:
A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease



Here's another one from last month:
A Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Postexposure Prophylaxis for Covid-19
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Thanks very much. If I were one of those crackpot doctors I could weasel around and say the studies aren't large enough, but basically they show that HCQ does not have much promise for postexposure treatment of any kind.

Which in my mind also suggests that preexposure prophylaxis is also unlikely to be a benefit, although that is not studied in those reports.

edit: there appears to be some concern about the limitations of the June 3rd study (Boulware et al) expressed by the lead author around numbers and adherance, and seems to be a potentially significant difference in effectiveness depending on how soon after exposure the treatment started...
Additional notes from the NEJM editorial: "This trial has many limitations, acknowledged by the investigators. The trial methods did not allow consistent proof of exposure to SARS-CoV-2 or consistent laboratory confirmation that the symptom complex that was reported represented a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Indeed, the specificity of participant-reported COVID-19 symptoms is low, so it is hard to be certain how many participants in the trial actually had COVID-19. Adherence to the interventions could not be monitored, and participants reported less-than-perfect adherence, more notably in the group receiving [treatment]. In addition, those enrolled in the trial were younger (median age, 40 years) and had fewer coexisting conditions than persons in whom severe COVID-19 is most likely to develop, so enrollment of higher-risk participants might have yielded a different result. The trial design raises questions about the expected prevention benefits of [the treatment]. Studies of postexposure prophylaxis are intended to provide an intervention in the shortest possible time to prevent infection. In a small-animal model of SARS-CoV-2 infection, prevention of infection or more severe disease was observed only when the experimental antiviral agent was given before or shortly after exposure. In the current trial, the long delay between perceived exposure to SARS-CoV-2 and the initiation of [treatment] (≥3 days in most participants) suggests that what was being assessed was prevention of symptoms or progression of COVID-19, rather than prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection."

Note that author's comments also differ from the published conclusion, for example Dr. Lewis notes: "I personally spoke to Boulware about this study. He points out its many flaws. He also points out that day 1-3 use had statistical significance and he’s gearing his other studies accordingly. He intends to investigate this significance further." (), and in the OFID podcast Dr. Boulware has said: "There’s probably two reasons – one is either it just doesn’t work, or the other option is we just didn’t get it to them quick enough. So if you read the tea leaves and look at the subgroup analyses, the people that got enrolled within one or two days of exposure did better than the people that did three or four days later."
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Joey D
As for the risks involved, this comes from the Department of Health and Human Services.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/nda/2020/OSE Review_Hydroxychloroquine-Cholorquine - 19May2020_Redacted.pdf

It found that many patients who took hydroxychloroquine suffered "QT prolongation" which is an abnormal heart rate that can lead to tachycardia. It also found that some patients had increased liver enzymes and hyperbilirubinemia, which leads to jaundice (yellowing of skin commonly seen in babies). There were other side effects, including mental and neurological, but those seem to be relatively small in number. Also when compared with a placebo, it was found those taking hydroxychloroquine had more side effects than those who weren't, adding to the credibility of the findings.

Will hydroxychloroquine cause severe issues in every patient? Nope, but there's pretty good evidence that it's not exactly a safe drug to use for the hell of it. I certainly wouldn't take it prophylactically, however, if I was under supervised medical care I would consent to taking it experimentally if I had a particularly severe case of COVID.
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Here I might quibble a bit - I certainly wouldn't consent to HCQ if I had a severe case! Why would you when it appears to do more harm than good at that point? That said, it could well be that some of the adverse in HCQ use at that stage is from the high doses given (>1000mg per day, compared to <400mg p.d. for arthritis, and ~400mg per week as a preexposure anti-malarial).

I will argue against saying "for the hell of it"; that's unnecessarily emotive, and partly what I was indirectly railing against in my previous post, the polarisation and extreme positions. Even Trump is/was taking it under the supervision of his doctor, who would've been monitoring for side effects.

QT prolongation is a side-effect of quite a number of medicines including common antibiotics. In general HCQ falls into the same category as many others where GPs prescribe and say "any ill effects, stop taking it and call me" with no actual monitoring. It is used for other reasons with minimal direct support (Medscape, CDC). I'm not saying it's without risks, but they are known and no reason to dismiss - if it had a benefit (which is less and less likely re COVID).

All I'm trying to say is that overstating possible harm isn't a proper counter to people overstating possible benefits, IYSWIM.
 
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Chrunch Houston
Twitter canceled the video, so I got my own copy, When I tried to post it on Youtube, they canceled it before it was even posted. Why?
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Chrunch Houston
The video I was trying to post is in that article.
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Then I guess the reason why Twitter took the other video down and didn't ban Benny was that he could claim to be a *snort* accredited news source reporting on someone else's point of view while they didn't know the other source from Adam and thus for all they knew it was trying to recommend an untested cure to the public. It sounds like YouTube's approach was algorithm based and they were blocking the video across the board.

Neither platform wants to be sued if something bad happens to someone because they heard Immanuel's rant and started ingesting HCQ willy-nilly is my take.
 

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