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So the UK Government have decided to cancel the second jab, which was due to start next week, for those who have already received the first jab. Seems they want to have as many people as possible to have the first jab. They are looking at changing the time between doses from three weeks to 12 weeks. The only problem is, Pfizer has released a statement to say their vaccine is untested under these conditions and that it was designed so that the two doses should be given 21 days apart. They also said there is no data to suggest that the first jab will be effective for more than 21 days.

It's a bold strategy Boris, let's see if it pays off.

*Ominous Narrator Voice*

It, in fact, did not pay off for them.

Seriously this is a bad idea since all you're going to end up with is a bunch of sick people who went out and did god knows what because they figured they were vaccinated. Assuming the UK is similar to the US, there's a good chunk of people that don't understand why two shots are required.
 
Pfizer has released a statement to say their vaccine is untested under these conditions and that it was designed so that the two doses should be given 21 days apart. They also said there is no data to suggest that the first jab will be effective for more than 21 days.

To be fair, there's probably no data to suggest it isn't either! It would certainly be worth finding out, but such a trial should definitely not be on our most vulnerable, without consent.

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Now here's something that's been grinding my gears... why on earth is it a "good news" story when people bring forward weddings to beat changes in restrictions? Couple arrange quick-fire wedding to beat tier 4 change - couple (no masks), vicar (masked), 15 guests inside and 100 more outside. Easy to find more. How is this not just as deserving of criticism as the hordes leaving London just before tier 4 there?

Not that I'm without sympathy for people whose plans get thrown into disarray, just don't see it as something to applaud.
 
This wont be helping, in Wisconsin , a healthcare worker , on purpose , ruined 500 doses of covid vaccine.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7548665/coronavirus-vaccine-wisconsin-spoiled/

That worker will likely be more than fired. Malicious destruction of medical supplies like that often results in the health system pressing charges. At a hospital I worked at in Michigan, we had a guy break TVs that were supposed to go into patient rooms because he didn't feel like mounting them. He was led away in handcuffs for the destruction of property and ended up getting slapped with a felony since the damage was nearly $10,000 (anything healthcare grade is obscene expensive).

I'm not sure how it'll work with the Moderna vaccines since they might be government property. If they are, then that worker is about to land themselves in federal prison.
 
Update on NY conga party , one the men that was there has now become sick from covid.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/man-hospitalized-covid-conga-line_n_5fed16dbc5b6ec8ae0b14b8c
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Check when you are estimated to receive the vaccine. June for me............. June 2022! https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk

Next xmas for me! Although, that could be halved if we get to 2 million doses a week, which I reckon depends more on supply than logistics.

I'm not eligible for your vaccine but due to Dr. Boris, I don't want it either.

Probably should've noted in my previous post, but - for the Oxford vaccine - the longer gap has been shown to increase effectiveness. It's the pfizer and moderna ones it's not safe to assume the same for.
 
Rob Liefeld and Ryan Reynolds seem like the most ironic.
The latter is pretty on-brand for the movies. I had to look up the former (I'm sorry to say it was the only one I didn't know, which means I knew "A. Bynes"), but it fits for much the same reason.
 
So when I last posted on 12/23, the US was looking at nearly 10 years to get everyone vaccinated. Thankfully, we're seeing that number trend downwards with a 100% vaccination rate being achieved within 6 years. However, we know that there won't be a 100% vaccination rate in most countries, especially the US. We're targeting 70% here in Utah and I think that's what most places are also aiming for, so that certainly helps the number, but only by a little.

There are 328,000,000 people in the US and 70% of that is 229,600,000. We've been giving the vaccine for 18 days now and have administered 2,790,000 doses, or roughly 155,000 a day. At that rate, to achieve 70% we need a little over four years and that's just for the first dose, factor in the second and we're at 8 years.

Honestly, I'm not really sure what the hold up is. Using Utah as an example, as of 12/30 we'd received 102,000 doses in the state and had only administered about 21,000. My employer has managed to administer something like 92% of all the doses they've been allotted, which makes me wonder just what the hell are other health systems doing? You don't need doctors to administer the vaccine, you don't even need a nurse to do it. Basically, anyone licensed to administer vaccines and isn't taking care of sick patients right now should be jabbing as many people as they can. Hell, you could probably train nursing students well enough to give it.

Right now to reach the goal of 6/30/21, the US needs to increase its 155,000 doses per day to 2.4 million if we want to give 70% of the US both doses by that time. Frankly, I don't see that happening and think we will be lucky to achieve 1.5 million doses per day by February.
 
Now here's something that's been grinding my gears... why on earth is it a "good news" story when people bring forward weddings to beat changes in restrictions? Couple arrange quick-fire wedding to beat tier 4 change - couple (no masks), vicar (masked), 15 guests inside and 100 more outside. Easy to find more. How is this not just as deserving of criticism as the hordes leaving London just before tier 4 there?

Not that I'm without sympathy for people whose plans get thrown into disarray, just don't see it as something to applaud.

Another one. This time to beat going into tier 3 - where they could still have had the wedding, just not the reception. :banghead:
 
I'm waiting patiently for my vaccination. Hopefully, sometime in the next 6 months.

I'm moderately stunned by the following story:

U.S. health care workers are first in line to receive the COVID-19 vaccine — but an alarming number across the country are refusing to do so.

Earlier this week, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine disclosed that about 60 percent of the nursing home workers in his state have so far chosen not to get vaccinated.

More than half of New York City’s EMS workers have shown skepticism, The Post reported last month.

And now California and Texas are experiencing a high rate of health care worker refusals, according to reports.

An estimated 50 percent of frontline workers in Riverside County in the Golden State opted against the drug, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing public health officials.

More than half of the hospital workers at California’s St. Elizabeth Community Hospital that were eligible to receive the vaccine did not, the newspaper.

And in the Lone Star State, a doctor at Houston Memorial Medical Center told NPR earlier this month that half the nurses in the facility would not get the vaccine, citing political reasons.

The excuse shared by the Texas nurses was echoed in a recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey that found 29 percent of health workers were “vaccine hesitant,” the Times reported.

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Survey respondents leaning against taking the vaccine said, among other reasons, that they were concerned how politics influenced the development of the vaccine, the newspaper reporte

https://nypost.com/2021/01/01/alarm...h-care-workers-are-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/
 
So when I last posted on 12/23, the US was looking at nearly 10 years to get everyone vaccinated. Thankfully, we're seeing that number trend downwards with a 100% vaccination rate being achieved within 6 years.

This is America we're talking about. For all the fun-poking at the last four years and all its bizarre political goings-on... I can't believe that a nation so well equipped couldn't get it done much quicker. A year would seem too long, even with a priority system that ensured certain demographics were vaccinated first.
 
I'm waiting patiently for my vaccination. Hopefully, sometime in the next 6 months.

I'm moderately stunned by the following story:



https://nypost.com/2021/01/01/alarm...h-care-workers-are-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/

I don't understand this. What political reasons would health care workers have for not getting vaccinated? They're antivaxxers? How can they complain about being losing members of their own profession to covid but don't want to help themselves by getting the vaccination?
 
Can anyone explain how if Boris Johnson is certain that we will have to introduce new, tougher measures in the next few weeks we are not doing it now to lessen the chances of those bad things happening? This government has been reactionary since the very beginning of the pandemic.
 
I don't understand this. What political reasons would health care workers have for not getting vaccinated? They're antivaxxers? How can they complain about being losing members of their own profession to covid but don't want to help themselves by getting the vaccination?
That's what I'm asking myself, too. That's why I'm somewhat stunned. I cannot imagine professional health care workers are anti-vaxxers. I cannot imagine that professional health care workers do not want to get themselves and their co-workers vaccinated. The only thing I can even remotely imagine is that they don't want to be stampeded by law or by force into something they might regard as a personal decision or choice they would make anyway.
 
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The only thing I can even remotely imagine is that they don't want to be stampeded by law into something they might regard as a personal decision or choice they would make anyway.
Per your article, they're making the decision to not get it. There is no mention of their opposition to mandates that they get it.
 
Can anyone explain how if Boris Johnson is certain that we will have to introduce new, tougher measures in the next few weeks we are not doing it now to lessen the chances of those bad things happening? This government has been reactionary since the very beginning of the pandemic.

No I cannot. Frankly when ~75% of the population is already in tier 4, the rest of the mainland in tier 3, and there's heated debate about whether schools should open anywhere - why not just call it a lockdown, it won't make a lot of bloody difference! Oh yeah, because then it costs money for the gov to give support (never mind that tier 4 is basically lockdown, there's no aid been announced so far for businesses forced to close, except for furlough).

The calming tones of the BBC is echoing gov in touting the line that transmission of "symptomatic cases" is very low amongst children, with only a brief nod to asymptomatic cases, also downplayed. If that were true, how is it that this age group has the highest prevalence of any, close to 3% towards the end of last term (and that was 2% to 3% nationwide, so some places must be a lot higher)? And how does that not defy what's been said all along - that this disease is so dangerous in no small part because of asymptomatic transmission, people spreading it without knowing they have it? In this case, for the whole of last term, from children to their parents and on to workplaces etc. Finally, how would mass-testing in schools be the answer? (which of course, since it is the answer, the downplaying is proven utterly false).
 
That's what I'm asking myself, too. That's why I'm somewhat stunned. I cannot imagine professional health care workers are anti-vaxxers. I cannot imagine that professional health care workers do not want to get themselves and their co-workers vaccinated. The only thing I can even remotely imagine is that they don't want to be stampeded by law or by force into something they might regard as a personal decision or choice they would make anyway.
I know a handful who believe they don't need it. Someone who works as an assistant at a doctor's office my mother goes to told her he won't get the vaccine because he believes that vaccines can make you sterile (the flu vaccine would be an example; the MMR vaccine prevents two ailments which CAN cause sterility). Either way, he traveled back to Columbia to see his family and now he has COVID.
 
I don't understand this. What political reasons would health care workers have for not getting vaccinated? They're antivaxxers? How can they complain about being losing members of their own profession to covid but don't want to help themselves by getting the vaccination?

I was discussing this the other day with a nurse. She's not planning on getting the vaccine any time soon, she's concerned about the fact that the development was rushed and what she feels is inadequate testing. It's certainly not a political decision for her, and she's certainly not an anti-vaxxer. Frankly I was shocked when she said she doesn't want the vaccine.
 

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