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COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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It looks like the Court doesn't think much of the Biden mandate.
Just like me, the Court thinks this needs to be handled by Congress.
Here is another snippet of the ruling I found on Twitter.
Bam!
NY Times article
Appeals Court Extends Block on Biden’s Vaccine Mandate for Employers
Just like me, the Court thinks this needs to be handled by Congress.
Here is another snippet of the ruling I found on Twitter.
Bam!
NY Times article
Appeals Court Extends Block on Biden’s Vaccine Mandate for Employers
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Vaccine mandates should not be necessary.
Ironically, it's largely the behaviour of the very people that oppose them so vigorously that make them necessary.
Ironically, it's largely the behaviour of the very people that oppose them so vigorously that make them necessary.
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This is not particularly impressive. The emergency provision OSHA used has never been used for vaccination? Ok... that doesn't mean it can't be. The fact that this judge thinks that whether congress has the authority to impose such a mandate would make a hard question gives me pause when considering their legal analysis.
OSHA's power is pretty extensive, their current regulations are quite broad, and reach huge sections of the workforce. That much is settled. If the supreme court were to find that OSHA doesn't have the power to enforce a testing or vaccination mandate, I struggle to figure out how they would carve a principled line compared to what OSHA already does on a regular basis.
You might think that these conclusory statements are impressive, but I don't see anything in them that suggests that OSHA is barred from this activity. And I don't see any clear path for how the supreme court can impose a new limit on OSHA without seriously rewriting a lot of settled regulation.
I think you found some things you liked to hear, and then didn't analyze it any further. This opinion is not very persuasive.
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I was wondering....do people against the vaccine have an issue with the drugs that can treat COVID by Merck and Pfizer?
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Lol at the bitter, ignorant reaction on display whilst meanwhile, information comes out every month that proves your last statement.
U.S. Covid Deaths Get Even Redder (Published 2021)
The partisan gap in Covid’s death toll has grown faster over the past month than at any previous point.
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This stupid mother****er just keeps dancing around it because it kneecaps his position.
If a mandate requiring vaccination prohibits private employers "taking care of their own," whether it's from the federal government or state and by executive order or an act of Congress, so does a ban on private businesses requiring vaccination as a condition of employment. It really is that simple.
Garbage. On. Parade.
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CodeRedR51
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The YouTuber guy mentioned before that wasn't doing so great, was released from the hospital. 👍
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We are currently in a massive rise in numbers of infections. Averaging 15k a day. Even though hospitalisations are going up, it looks like that the vaccinations are somewhat doing their job, as the number isn't following at the same pace as infections.
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If this goes somewhere I'm going to be pissed:
www.beckershospitalreview.com
As I've mentioned time and time again, when you work in healthcare you sign something before you're hired that states you'll remain up to date on ALL vaccines. If this suit is successful, chances are hospitals will have to drop this meaning no more compulsory flu shots among vaccines like polio, Tdap, and Hep B. The most worrying of that bunch is Tdap, especially in pediatric-focused healthcare systems since the "p" in that vaccine is for pertussis, or better known as whooping cough. Whooping cough is serious for young children.
As a result, this will lead to more hospital-acquired infections, especially in areas where anti-vaxx garbage is alive and well.
12 more states challenge healthcare worker vaccination mandate
A coalition of 12 states sued the federal government Nov. 15 to block a CMS mandate requiring COVID-19 vaccination for eligible staff at healthcare facilities participating in Medicare and Medicaid programs.
As I've mentioned time and time again, when you work in healthcare you sign something before you're hired that states you'll remain up to date on ALL vaccines. If this suit is successful, chances are hospitals will have to drop this meaning no more compulsory flu shots among vaccines like polio, Tdap, and Hep B. The most worrying of that bunch is Tdap, especially in pediatric-focused healthcare systems since the "p" in that vaccine is for pertussis, or better known as whooping cough. Whooping cough is serious for young children.
As a result, this will lead to more hospital-acquired infections, especially in areas where anti-vaxx garbage is alive and well.
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Killing kids to own the libs.If this goes somewhere I'm going to be pissed:
12 more states challenge healthcare worker vaccination mandate
A coalition of 12 states sued the federal government Nov. 15 to block a CMS mandate requiring COVID-19 vaccination for eligible staff at healthcare facilities participating in Medicare and Medicaid programs.
As I've mentioned time and time again, when you work in healthcare you sign something before you're hired that states you'll remain up to date on ALL vaccines. If this suit is successful, chances are hospitals will have to drop this meaning no more compulsory flu shots among vaccines like polio, Tdap, and Hep B. The most worrying of that bunch is Tdap, especially in pediatric-focused healthcare systems since the "p" in that vaccine is for pertussis, or better known as whooping cough. Whooping cough is serious for young children.
As a result, this will lead to more hospital-acquired infections, especially in areas where anti-vaxx garbage is alive and well.
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With ICU vacancies creeping towards 0, we're beating back the 4th wave with...
checks notes
...closing restaurants, pubs and nightclubs at midnight, asking all housemates of the infected to self-isolate, asking employers to allow for WFH, and subsidising antigen ("lateral flow") tests.
AFAIK, about 55% of ICU patients are unvaccinated, despite making up just 7% of Irish adults. Of the vaccinated ICU patients, about 97% are immunocompromised.
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I recently lost a cousin from complications due to Covid-19. Yes he was vaccinated, but his family believes he caught Covid back in February of 2020 and he never fully recovered. I do know that he had other illnesses as well.
CodeRedR51
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Just called to schedule a booster and apparently normal people under 65 are not eligible yet? Guess I'll wait...
Joey D
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We were informed this afternoon that booster doses for anyone over the age of 18 will be approved tomorrow.
COVID-19 booster doses could be authorized by Friday, 'should be a priority' for US adults, experts say
The CDC said it's safe to mix vaccine brands, and data suggests Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna would be more protective than a second J&J shot.
www.usatoday.com
Even if it isn't, it seems like some states are keen on ignoring the CDC and FDA. Our governor said in a public address today that all Utahns over the age of 18 are eligible tomorrow. They're not doing a fantastic job of informing the health systems though, so I'm still trying to get a handle on just what they're talking about.
Regardless, talk to your doctor, but you likely fall into a "high-risk" group if you work outside the home.
CodeRedR51
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She said they were following CDC guidelines. I just called the same place I had the originals done which was a small pharmacy/ doctors office thing in a Safeway. 😅We were informed this afternoon that booster doses for anyone over the age of 18 will be approved tomorrow.
COVID-19 booster doses could be authorized by Friday, 'should be a priority' for US adults, experts say
The CDC said it's safe to mix vaccine brands, and data suggests Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna would be more protective than a second J&J shot.www.usatoday.com
Even if it isn't, it seems like some states are keen on ignoring the CDC and FDA. Our governor said in a public address today that all Utahns over the age of 18 are eligible tomorrow. They're not doing a fantastic job of informing the health systems though, so I'm still trying to get a handle on just what they're talking about.
Regardless, talk to your doctor, but you likely fall into a "high-risk" group if you work outside the home.
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Fate of Biden administration's vaccine mandate for employers now at conservative-leaning appeals court
The Biden administration's vaccine mandate targeting businesses with more than 100 employees is now before the conservative-leaning Ohio-based 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals, which could soon decide its fate.
Everything looks like it's moving forward through appeals. It's not a matter of pending "further litigation", it's currently sitting before an appellate court. They would literally have to drop the case for nothing further to occur. That being said, if the court continues to block it (which I would expect), it seems unlikely to stop there.
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Joey D
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It's going to be interesting if it goes all the way to the Supreme Court because its ruling could have quite the consequences on the world's public health. If for some reason they ignore historical cases, its ruling could make all compulsory vaccinations illegal. This would mean no required vaccinations for schools, health systems, government offices, and the like which could very make once uncommon illnesses common again.Fate of Biden administration's vaccine mandate for employers now at conservative-leaning appeals court
The Biden administration's vaccine mandate targeting businesses with more than 100 employees is now before the conservative-leaning Ohio-based 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals, which could soon decide its fate.www.cnn.com
Everything looks like it's moving forward through appeals. It's not a matter of pending "further litigation", it's currently sitting before an appellate court. They would literally have to drop the case for nothing further to occur. That being said, if the court continues to block it (which I would expect), it seems unlikely to stop there.
At this point though, I fully expect it to happen though and we end up with a polio outbreak because people start going full anti-vax.
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When I filled out my form, there was an "are you eligible" question with a check box. Since the two examples they gave were healthcare and education, I checked it and they never asked when I went in for the shot.
I had all three of my shots at a small pharmacy in a grocery store.
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