COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Barra333
Probably need a whole new award for that one. Maybe name it after whoever signs their name first on the Supreme Court verdict.
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I mean we have the Herman Cain Award already, maybe this is just an expansion of that?
 
Dennisch
We are currently in a massive rise in numbers of infections. Averaging 15k a day. Even though hospitalisations are going up, it looks like that the vaccinations are somewhat doing their job, as the number isn't following at the same pace as infections.
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Both my daughters are at school in the Netherlands, so I have been following the fluctuations of Covid there closely. It seems that no country has had as many "waves" as the Netherlands ... not the worst overall infection & death stats, but the most clearly defined waves. This seems to be a direct result of the intermittent restrictions that have been periodically imposed & then totally lifted. In contrast, in Canada, we have stuck with a range of restrictions for some time now & it has obviously controlled the spread of infections. It seems clear that vaccinations alone do not provide sure protection against the continuing spread of infections ... although it is obviously reducing the deaths. It seems likely that there will be another big spike in cases over the coming winter months in all countries in the northern hemisphere - regardless of how high the vaccination rates are - without some additional mitigation strategies.

www.dutchnews.nl

Most Dutch are vaccinated, so why are Covid-19 cases spiking? - DutchNews.nl

One year and nine months into the Covid crisis and the number of people getting infected has never been worse. Lauren Comiteau has been trying to find out why. In total, 23,680 cases were reported on Thursday, the fourth day in a row of record-setting case numbers following a week that broke the...
www.dutchnews.nl www.dutchnews.nl

The article speculates on what the likelihood is that Covid will eventually burn itself out over time.
 
I no longer care about other people apart from the people around me. We have had these massive numbers for weeks and no one decided on their own that it was time to start wearing a mask again. I've told my close ones a couple of weeks ago that they should mask up again because the poop would hit the fan again, and it did, and luckily they listened.

But for the rest of the Netherlands, if you're so ignorant still after 21 months, **** you and your family. Get sick or die, I really don't care anymore. Just don't take innocent people with you. We're heading for another massive lockdown, and people still bitch and moan about vaccinations, masks and keeping your distance.

We're 4 billion vaccinations in, masks combined with keeping distance have proven themselves but still people see a conspiracy in one way or another. Fine, but when you get sick, go be so in your own bed, don't go to a hospital. They need the beds for people that did everything they could.
 
Dennisch
I no longer care about other people apart from the people around me. We have had these massive numbers for weeks and no one decided on their own that it was time to start wearing a mask again. I've told my close ones a couple of weeks ago that they should mask up again because the poop would hit the fan again, and it did, and luckily they listened.

But for the rest of the Netherlands, if you're so ignorant still after 21 months, **** you and your family. Get sick or die, I really don't care anymore. Just don't take innocent people with you. We're heading for another massive lockdown, and people still bitch and moan about vaccinations, masks and keeping your distance.

We're 4 billion vaccinations in, masks combined with keeping distance have proven themselves but still people see a conspiracy in one way or another. Fine, but when you get sick, go be so in your own bed, don't go to a hospital. They need the beds for people that did everything they could.
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It seems to me that the sensible thing is to maintain mask wearing in indoor settings & some level of restrictions on crowded indoor activities - bars, pubs, concerts etc. More realistic than an all-or-nothing restriction policy that leads to wild swings in the infection rate.
 
Going to be completely honest, I only wear a mask at work. When I leave there it sits in my car the whole time. Everywhere else I go without it. I am not a people person first and foremost, so when I go into stores, etc I generally stay away from people anyway.

With that said I plan on scheduling my booster ASAP now that the CDC has signed off on the approval that went through today.
 
R1600Turbo
Going to be completely honest, I only wear a mask at work. When I leave there it sits in my car the whole time. Everywhere else I go without it. I am not a people person first and foremost, so when I go into stores, etc I generally stay away from people anyway.

With that said I plan on scheduling my booster ASAP now that the CDC has signed off on the approval that went through today.
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You still have to be 6 months away from your first or second shot, is that right?
 
I scheduled my booster for next week. Only option was to have the same brand as the first doses. I'm going to get double stabbed as I opted for the flu vaccine as well.
 
Apparently my brother has tested positive. He is not vaccinated. He's currently isolating himself in his room away from his wife and kids and taking ibuprofen and Nyquil according to my mom. Told her that's not going to help him and she insists that he told her it is, so who knows. Either way, hopefully its just a mild case. I was with him last Saturday but he thinks he got it from being in an Apple store. Last Apple store I walked by was requiring masks for entry though.
 
Here in South Australia, we have had pretty much complete freedom along with extremely low numbers since the pandemic began. We’ve spent 10 days in lockdown total, and only had a total of 922 cases and 4 deaths.

We are about to open our borders to CV positive Victoria (1167 cases a day) and New South Wales (178 cases a day) while we’re sitting just under an 80% double vaxxed adult population.

In total, to this second, we have 324 metro ED beds, 193 are full and patients are waiting on average around 2.5 hours to get a bed. When they are busy, they fill the lot and our ambulances are failing to reach up to 16 patients at a time who are getting taxis to the ED instead. Where they’re waiting for up to 7 hours.

Adelaide hosted one of those protests yesterday, calling for the freedom to choose if you want to be vaccinated or not. My parents (52, doesn’t like needles & 50, immunocompromised) went to this rally for something to do. They came out saying how they’ve got the right to choose; if they don’t want it they don’t need it; they’ll get blood clots from the vaccine and the virus isn’t that bad etc, etc, etc.

I told them I could wax lyrical about this all day, but here’s the facts.

We have not had to worry about the virus here at all. That is certainly about to change. Our hospitals are not ready. Our ambulances are not ready. Our people are complacent beyond belief. Your 150x more likely to get a clot from the virus than the vaccine. Unvaxxed are 3x more likely to get Covid and 10x more likely to die from it. I want my 6 month old daughter to grow up knowing her grandparents.

I told them, go do your own research, from statistics and databases not YouTube and protests. And if you choose not to get it you will live, or otherwise, with the consequences.

In all honestly I am sick to death of this discussion. Get the 🤬 vaccine for 🤬 sake.
 
Just scheduled my booster. It didn't let me select anything other than "18-64 working in public industry..." so I just selected that. Soonest they had was Dec 6th but I might be on a work trip that week so I scheduled for the 13th.
 
Hayden
We are about to open our borders to CV positive Victoria (1167 cases a day) and New South Wales (178 cases a day) while we’re sitting just under an 80% double vaxxed adult population.
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Hopefully it stays that way as my family and I are booked to come over late January for when the Tour Down Under would have been on.

On the other side of the coin though, yes you guys need to prepare for what's coming and the population needs to stop being complacent about it. You (as a state and WA is the same) can't stay Covid free forever if we are all to be able to get on with our lives.
It's getting close to the ridiculous situation especially with WA that we (fully vaccinated) can travel internationally but not to some parts of our own country.
 
Hayden
I want my 6 month old daughter to grow up knowing her grandparents.
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If you haven't said this to them, you should. I told my dad if he was smoking, he couldn't see my kids. He stopped the next day.

Good luck getting through to them.
 
Shaun
On the other side of the coin though, yes you guys need to prepare for what's coming and the population needs to stop being complacent about it. You (as a state and WA is the same) can't stay Covid free forever if we are all to be able to get on with our lives.
It's getting close to the ridiculous situation especially with WA that we (fully vaccinated) can travel internationally but not to some parts of our own country.
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Agreed that SA can't live in a bubble forever, though we really should have prepared our healthcare system + started locking out the unvaccinated (from high-risk areas, at least) before deciding to open our borders.

As an example, my gym requires people to wear a mask to enter but everyone takes them off straight after they're in... and with no vaccine requirement to enter (and people being terrible with hygiene) I feel that many gyms will end up as Tier 1 exposure sites.
 
Hayden
Here in South Australia, we have had pretty much complete freedom along with extremely low numbers since the pandemic began. We’ve spent 10 days in lockdown total, and only had a total of 922 cases and 4 deaths.

We are about to open our borders to CV positive Victoria (1167 cases a day) and New South Wales (178 cases a day) while we’re sitting just under an 80% double vaxxed adult population.

In total, to this second, we have 324 metro ED beds, 193 are full and patients are waiting on average around 2.5 hours to get a bed. When they are busy, they fill the lot and our ambulances are failing to reach up to 16 patients at a time who are getting taxis to the ED instead. Where they’re waiting for up to 7 hours.

Adelaide hosted one of those protests yesterday, calling for the freedom to choose if you want to be vaccinated or not. My parents (52, doesn’t like needles & 50, immunocompromised) went to this rally for something to do. They came out saying how they’ve got the right to choose; if they don’t want it they don’t need it; they’ll get blood clots from the vaccine and the virus isn’t that bad etc, etc, etc.

I told them I could wax lyrical about this all day, but here’s the facts.

We have not had to worry about the virus here at all. That is certainly about to change. Our hospitals are not ready. Our ambulances are not ready. Our people are complacent beyond belief. Your 150x more likely to get a clot from the virus than the vaccine. Unvaxxed are 3x more likely to get Covid and 10x more likely to die from it. I want my 6 month old daughter to grow up knowing her grandparents.

I told them, go do your own research, from statistics and databases not YouTube and protests. And if you choose not to get it you will live, or otherwise, with the consequences.

In all honestly I am sick to death of this discussion. Get the 🤬 vaccine for 🤬 sake.
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You're absolutely correct with our hospitals not being ready, they're probably in a worse state than most people know. A very close friend of my wife and I fell through her attic floor (it was still be constructed) and while she has top notch private health care she could not get a bed in any private hospital as they're full of the overflow from the public system. It took two days for her to have the surgery on her leg which was badly torn open and requiring a plastic surgeon to take a vein from her other leg to get proper blood flow to her foot. She also has possible nerve damage but nothing was done in that regard... yet.



More beds is only part of the solution. We need people that are trained to care for the patients that need these beds or Covid is going to kill a lot more than just Covid + cases. Everyone requiring attention will be in danger.

Edit: I have several friends in the mining industry that tell me WA is in similar circumstances to us here in SA. Perhaps this is why they have such a great reluctance to opening up.
 
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This is exactly where and how the anti-vax arguments break down - one's personal decisions may not matter a toss, but taken en masse the anti-vax bloc is posing a huge threat to the availability of health care for everyone.

I would not be surprised if health care providers would really like to be able to prioritise vaccinated people but cannot - hence, if the burden on health care providers due to unvaxxed people becomes too great, it will fall to governments to act on their behalf.
 
killerjimbag
So how is there more Covid deaths now than in 2020 when there are more vaccinated? Strange.
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Did you read the article? The third paragraph accounts for that:
The CDC figures only account for reported deaths, and it's likely that more people died in 2020 due to COVID-19 than the recorded number; 2020 coronavirus-related deaths in the U.S. weren’t tracked until February.
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killerjimbag
So how is there more Covid deaths now than in 2020 when there are more vaccinated? Strange.
www.usatoday.com

COVID-19 deaths in 2021 have surpassed last year's count, CDC data shows: Live updates

COVID-19 has killed more people in 2021 than 2020, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data shows. Latest updates.
www.usatoday.com
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Fewer restrictions, fewer people wearing masks, more social gatherings, more travel, and general complacency among people amount to more cases, which in turn leads to more deaths. In addition, the strain of COVID that is currently circling the globe is different than the strain that was circling last year due to increased infections and mutations. Also, the healthcare systems are ragged. Doctors, mid-levels, nurses, respiratory therapists, etc. can only do so much when they're short-staffed and burnt out. That alone is going to lead to people dying.

As to your other point, more people are vaccinated yes, but there's still a huge chunk of the population that isn't and they're ending up in the ICU in droves. I'm not really sure what you're point is here to be honest. In places like the US and Canada, we're nowhere near the point of having herd immunity so while yes people are vaccinated, there's still a high level of transmission.
 
Joey D
Fewer restrictions, fewer people wearing masks, more social gatherings, more travel, and general complacency among people amount to more cases, which in turn leads to more deaths. In addition, the strain of COVID that is currently circling the globe is different than the strain that was circling last year due to increased infections and mutations. Also, the healthcare systems are ragged. Doctors, mid-levels, nurses, respiratory therapists, etc. can only do so much when they're short-staffed and burnt out. That alone is going to lead to people dying.

As to your other point, more people are vaccinated yes, but there's still a huge chunk of the population that isn't and they're ending up in the ICU in droves. I'm not really sure what you're point is here to be honest. In places like the US and Canada, we're nowhere near the point of having herd immunity so while yes people are vaccinated, there's still a high level of transmission.
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What,the city I live in is the most vaccinated in North America. %90 Canada is one of the leading countries in the world for vaccinated. What the hell are you talking about. So vaccinated people still transmit Covid. I'm vaccinated. Somebody isn’t telling the truth.
 
killerjimbag
What,the city I live in is the most vaccinated in North America. %90 Canada is one of the leading countries in the world for vaccinated. What the hell are you talking about. So vaccinated people still transmit Covid. I'm vaccinated. Somebody isn’t telling the truth.
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I wasn't aware of Canada's vaccination status, it appears that it's 75%, so I'll admit I was incorrect there. But still, you need to look at the bigger picture. Just because your town in Canada has a high vaccination rate, it doesn't mean it's like that everywhere. People travel around quite a bit too which makes it pretty easy for the virus to spread since COVID is incredibly infectious.

And yes, vaccinated people can still transmit COVID. That's why things like masks, physical distancing, and limiting gatherings are still important. No one ever (from a scientific perspective) claimed the vaccine would prevent transmission, only that it was effective against keeping you from getting a severe illness or dying.

No one is lying either. It's really not a stretch to believe that more people died of COVID in 2021 than 2020 just due to...well everything I mentioned.
 
killerjimbag
What,the city I live in is the most vaccinated in North America. %90 Canada is one of the leading countries in the world for vaccinated. What the hell are you talking about. So vaccinated people still transmit Covid. I'm vaccinated. Somebody isn’t telling the truth.
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Assuming the statistics are reasonably accurate, the number of people infected in Canada in October/November of this year & the number of Covid deaths is much lower than it was at the same time last year. And that is in spite of the more virulent Delta strain being dominant now. This would suggest that in the Canadian context, vaccinations combined with mask wearing & a moderate level of continuing restrictions have been very effective in mitigating Covid.

Comparing Canada to the US, the US has significantly lower rates of vaccination AND far fewer other mitigating measures, like mask wearing and social gathering restrictions. The US currently has around 10 million people with Covid infections compared to around 25,000 in Canada ... meaning that the per capita rate in the US is approximately 40 times higher than in Canada. The deaths per day in the US is around half what it was at the same time in 2020, even though the infection rate is actually a little higher. Deaths in the US are around 4 times per capita what they are in Canada. This suggests that even though infection rates are still very high in the US, deaths are less common than they were last year. This could be attributed to the most vulnerable, older population being better protected by vaccinations, social distancing and more experienced medical care, while infections still remain high among the young, less vulnerable population, who are less likely to die.

The picture worldwide varies & is quite complicated, but if you look closely at the statistics you can see that wherever high vaccination rates are combined with other measures - like mask wearing & social distancing - the rates of infections & deaths come down fairly dramatically. As soon as countries reduce mitigation measures, even with decent vaccination rates, infections & deaths go back up ... which is what is happening now in many European countries. I am pretty sure that the US will follow suit over the next 2 or 3 months as people live more indoors for the winter & gather socially for the holidays.
 
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Biggles
Assuming the statistics are reasonably accurate, the number of people infected in Canada in October/November of this year & the number of Covid deaths is much lower than it was at the same time last year. And that is in spite of the more virulent Delta strain being dominant now. This would suggest that in the Canadian context, vaccinations combined with mask wearing & a moderate level of continuing restrictions have been very effective in mitigating Covid.

Comparing Canada to the US, the US has significantly lower rates of vaccination AND far fewer other mitigating measures, like mask wearing and social gathering restrictions. The US currently has around 10 million people with Covid infections compared to around 25,000 in Canada ... meaning that the per capita rate in the US is approximately 40 times higher than in Canada. The deaths per day in the US is around half what it was at the same time in 2020, even though the infection rate is actually a little higher. Deaths in the US are around 4 times per capita what they are in Canada. This suggests that even though infection rates are still very high in the US, deaths are less common than they were last year. This could be attributed to the most vulnerable, older population being better protected by vaccinations, social distancing and more experienced medical care, while infections still remain high among the young, less vulnerable population, who are less likely to die.

The picture worldwide varies & is quite complicated, but if you look closely at the statistics you can see that wherever high vaccination rates are combined with other measures - like mask wearing & social distancing - the rates of infections & deaths come down fairly dramatically. As soon as countries reduce mitigation measures, even with decent vaccination rates, infections & deaths go back up ... which is what is happening now in many European countries. I am pretty sure that the US will follow suit over the next 2 or 3 months as people live more indoors for the winter & gather socially for the holidays.
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What? Infection rates are up in Brampton, Mississauga,the GTA and Niagara again. I work in the GTA daily doing deliveries. People have been wearing masks and social distancing since 2020. %75.2 of all Canadians are double vaccinated. So herd immunity should be working according to W.H.O. Now they want booster shots. This virus was made in a lab and will continue to evolve. Now kids are getting shots. 2.9 million shots are ready to go. This will almost push our rate to %80. That is total herd immunity.
 

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