COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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PeterJB
Boris will wait until cases are confirmed in the UK and then ground flights to and from South Africa and put restrictions in place to punish the British public for his own incompetence.
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I hope for once that the UK Government have got it wrong by over-reacting/reacting too soon.

Rumour has it that this new variant could be called nu, which will confuse the hell out of Boris and co. - though like a lot of the Greek alphabet, it's true pronunciation in Greek is different to the 'English' way of saying it, and it is actually pronounced, 'nee'.


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Touring Mars
I hope for once that the UK Government have got it wrong by over-reacting/reacting too soon.

Rumour has it that this new variant could be called nu, which will confuse the hell out of Boris and co. - though like a lot of the Greek alphabet, it's true pronunciation in Greek is different to the 'English' way of saying it, and it is actually pronounced, 'nee'.


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There are reports that the new variant has been detected in Israel.
 
Touring Mars
I hope for once that the UK Government have got it wrong by over-reacting/reacting too soon.

Rumour has it that this new variant could be called nu, which will confuse the hell out of Boris and co. - though like a lot of the Greek alphabet, it's true pronunciation in Greek is different to the 'English' way of saying it, and it is actually pronounced, 'nee'.


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Language warning.

 
TB

COVID-19 vaccines - peelregion.ca

www.peelregion.ca www.peelregion.ca

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Up compared to what? Cases aren't even up compared to two months ago, never mind the spikes in the last year.


Based on the chart, those measures are working.

Which is no different than the flu shot.

Good. Kids carry viruses just as easily as adults. And how is this any different than MMR or chickenpox vaccines? Just because it's new?
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Looks like what I said is happening. Cases aren't up? Most in 10 weeks which is 2 and a half months.Here comes another Lockdown.
 
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killerjimbag
Looks like what I said is happening. Cases aren't up? Most in 10 weeks which is 2 and a half months.Here comes another Lockdown.
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And yet cases are still down from this time last year, by nearly 50% too. (Source)

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But they will go back up, that's almost a certainty. The Omicron variant is likely already in North America and if it's as infectious as the data shows, the case numbers will likely increase rapidly among the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Countries did too little too late to mitigate the spread of it. Couple that with a lackadaisical attitude with holiday gatherings and it's a recipe for disaster.
 
killerjimbag
Looks like what I said is happening. Cases aren't up? Most in 10 weeks which is 2 and a half months.Here comes another Lockdown.
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The lockdown is in response to a variant that didn't exist, or at least wasn't widely known about, on Tuesday when I made that post so that's immaterial.

The graph on the link you posted shows 2 major spikes - one about two weeks after Christmas (January 11th @ 3,555) and one about two weeks after Easter (April 17th @4,370). Thanks to the vaccine doing its job, what you don't see is a spike two weeks after Thanksgiving (October 25th @372).

Also from the article you linked to:
New school-related cases: 141, including 132 students and eight staff. There are currently 17 schools closed due to COVID-19, up from nine last Friday — an 88 per cent increase. There are 178 concurrent outbreaks of COVID in schools, about 93 per cent of which are in elementary schools.
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It should come as no surprise that kids going back to school is going to kick the numbers up. They have only in the last week been approved to receive the vaccine. In that amount of time, doses have only just been shipped. I'm sure some parents have brought their kids in to be vaccinated but just due to lack of time, the majority haven't yet.
 
Omicron is well uhh. Going to throw a hissyfit again.
Travel bans and restrictions and quarantine. 🤦‍♂️
Travel bans don't work as lots of them say.
Omicron was detected from someone that was tested on Nov 9th. 2 weeks prior to discovery. In that time the new variant had time to spread to other countries.
Latest news I see was 2 infected out of Australia that tested positive and is asymptomatic and vaccinated. While very early does that mean that the vaccines currently in use help protect us.
50 so mutations but if it's only spreads faster but doesn't cause any other changes then COVID-19 will be Influenza-19.
Get your twice a year booster.

With this and travel bans and restrictions going on again has me worried about my trip that I would have booked over a year now in which I was supposed to be traveling in 16 days is now in May.

Hopefully after a week or two we know more that this is a new variant that will come and go and fade.
 
Going today for a booster.

Hoping like hell it goes better than when my parents' went to get theirs earlier this week. Despite having an appointment and hardly anyone else in the store they had to wait over an hour. My mom also got another bad case of "covid arm".
 
killerjimbag
Looks like what I said is happening. Cases aren't up? Most in 10 weeks which is 2 and a half months.Here comes another Lockdown.
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There isn't any doubt that cases are going to go up - as they are everywhere else. As has been pointed out, vaccines are not 100% effective & with most restrictions lifted, the conditions are there to lead to more infections. However, there's little doubt that hospitalizations & deaths are way down in Ontario from where they were pre-vaccine. Compare Ontario (which has about 1.5 times the population of Michigan) to neighbouring Michigan: as of Nov 24th Michigan had a 7 day average of 9,000 daily case & 80 deaths, while Ontario has 692 cases & 4 deaths.
 
Biggles
There isn't any doubt that cases are going to go up - as they are everywhere else. As has been pointed out, vaccines are not 100% effective & with most restrictions lifted, the conditions are there to lead to more infections. However, there's little doubt that hospitalizations & deaths are way down in Ontario from where they were pre-vaccine. Compare Ontario (which has about 1.5 times the population of Michigan) to neighbouring Michigan: as of Nov 24th Michigan had a 7 day average of 9,000 daily case & 80 deaths, while Ontario has 692 cases & 4 deaths.
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So let me understand this. Our Covid Medical team of Health knows counts are going up as you seem to know also. So now we have a new variant. Cases are going up the most in 2 months. I don't care what happens in Michigan,Texas,Florida etc. I don't live there.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-...n-months-with-964-infections-logged-1.5684610
So when is someone going to lock us down again? You think their just going to let this spiral out if control? When people will have mass gatherings even vaccinated and can still spread it? Does this not seem like a losing battle.If you have the vaccine you can still get it and transmit it even to vaccinated people. So with a new variant is there a possibility the vaccine doesn't work?
 
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killerjimbag
If you have the vaccine you can still get it and transmit it even to vaccinated people.
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Yes. In the same way that if you have legs you can win the Olympic 400m hurdles: it's definitely possible, it's just considerably less likely than if you're an Olympic level athlete specialising in the 400m hurdles.


This is how viruses work:
1. The virus particles reach a host body. From the virus's point of view, the more of them the better; while infection is entirely possible with one virus, it's not very likely. They need more for a greater chance of success.
2. Each successful virus breaks into a cell somewhere (with COVID it's likely the respiratory tract) by binding with certain specific receptors on the cell wall - like a bubble meeting another bubble and then the bit of bubble between them bursting to make one bubble made out of the insides of both. That allows its genetic coding into the cell (in this case it's RNA).
3. The cell itself does the rest. It thinks the genetic code is its own, and does what it normally does with it - in this case sending it to other bits of the cell to make the proteins the virus RNA says to make.
4. These proteins are... the virus. So the cell makes more virus, which then pops out and goes to infect other cells in order to keep making more (see step 2)
5. With sufficient numbers of virus particles made by the body itself lurking around, the virus can now escape the body. Usually this is in fluids - blood, spit, "fun related juices" - and in the case of COVID, because it's in the respiratory tract, it comes out in tiny bits of mucus that come out of you when you breathe and in larger amounts when you talk, burp, cough, or sneeze.
6. The virus particles reach a new host body.

And this is how the immune system works:
1. Special bits of your blood interact with the surface of a foreign object.
2. Other special bits of blood determine whether it's a foreign object the first bits have seen before or not, based on the structure of the surface.
3a. If they have seen it before, they make new things called antibodies designed to stick to that specific surface. That allows another special bit of blood to come in and eat the object (like painting a target with a laser, and a laser-guided bomb coming in from an F15).
3b. If they haven't seen it before, they FREAK THE **** OUT and hurl everything they can at it until something sticks. When something sticks they make more of it, and then the special bit of blood for eating these things comes in and eats it.
4. In the case of 3a they go back to normal. In the case of 3b, they file away the antibody in case the thing comes back.

What you experience as illness, for reference, is a bit from each - your cells being diverted to make viruses so they don't work right (and may even be destroyed) and your immune system either hurling the kitchen sink at it or ramping up production of specific antibodies. It results in inflammation, pain, and mucus production, which is why you get full of snot, a headache, and feel like your head is full of hot sand.

How a vaccine works is actually a bit of both too. A regular vaccine puts "dead" virus into you so that your immune system goes full 3b. The mRNA vaccine is smarter, because it does a good chunk of what the virus does; it gets your cells to make the specific surface protein only, to provoke a 3b-level immune response. Both ways get your immune system to remember the virus, and it's why you feel unwell sometimes after the COVID immunisation/vaccination, without feeling terrible - because there no virus ripping your cells to shreds.


Now the difficult bit. Your immune system is not a Star Trek deflector shield. It doesn't work on the outside to repel everything. It works on the inside, and that means the virus has to be inside you - and it can only work once the virus is inside you. The immune system can only react to foreign objects.

If the virus is there in sufficient numbers, it can infect cells and make more of itself (your immune system can't do squat when the virus is inside a cell) to go and infect more cells before your immune system has had a chance to act - it does, after all, need to detect the virus, check its surface, see if it's familiar, and ramp up antibody production.

That means that the infection can reach the stage of you producing enough virus in your cells to expel it and infect others before your immune response can eradicate it. And of course sometimes the vaccine doesn't actually work, so you don't get a secondary immune response.

However, in most cases (and we're talking overwhelmingly most), a fully vaccinated person will produce sufficient immune response that they never become infectious. They can still be infected, symptomatic, become seriously ill, and even die, but the rates of each of these things are cut dramatically by vaccination.


There's also a last point, which is also really quite important. Vaccinations can't do jack about virus on your skin or clothes; if you've had a COVIDded person hacking mucus all over you, you will pass it on to whomever touches you. This type of transmission, from someone or something (like door handles) that is not actually infected or infectious but carries the virus, is known as "fomite" transmission.
 
killerjimbag
So let me understand this. Our Covid Medical team of Health knows counts are going up as you seem to know also. So now we have a new variant. Cases are going up the most in 2 months. I don't care what happens in Michigan,Texas,Florida etc. I don't live there.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-...n-months-with-964-infections-logged-1.5684610
So when is someone going to lock us down again? You think their just going to let this spiral out if control? When people will have mass gatherings even vaccinated and can still spread it? Does this not seem like a losing battle.If you have the vaccine you can still get it and transmit it even to vaccinated people. So with a new variant is there a possibility the vaccine doesn't work?
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I have no idea what you're trying to say. Yes, it does matter what's happening in other jurisdictions. It's essential information, because that's what gives you an idea of what you're dealing with when it comes to a novel coronavirus. What happens in one part of the world has been a reliable indictor of what is likely to happen everywhere else.

It's a "losing battle"? You mean you think we should just give up? First denial ... & now defeatism? The sensible thing is to take the appropriate measures to control the spread of the virus while causing the least amount of social & economic dislocation.
 
Biggles
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Yes, it does matter what's happening in other jurisdictions. It's essential information, because that's what gives you an idea of what you're dealing with when it comes to a novel coronavirus. What happens in one part of the world has been a reliable indictor of what is likely to happen everywhere else.

It's a "losing battle"? You mean you think we should just give up? First denial ... & now defeatism? The sensible thing is to take the appropriate measures to control the spread of the virus while causing the least amount of social & economic dislocation.
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Sounds like eventually we will go to acceptance and embracing the virus as our friend!
 
McLaren
I've never heard of this outlet before and it is admittedly super-early (even said so in the article), but an Israeli expert says no severe cases among the vaccinated with Omicron & they've been preparing for it.
www.haaretz.com

No severe COVID cases among vaccinated patients infected with omicron, top Israeli expert says

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Haaretz is a news source I am familiar with. I think we need to wait two weeks when it comes to seeing how ill people are getting. We are definitely seeing Omicron spread faster but it might take a bit for severe cases.
 
6 cases of the Omicron variant have been detected in Scotland, including 2 in Glasgow and some of these six cases are not directly connected to travel from southern Africa, suggested community transfer may have already started.

Some figures from Gauteng today show that COVID hospitalisations have started to rise very rapidly, the vast majority of which are unvaccinated.

The UK has reacted by cutting the required time between one's second vaccination shot and the 'booster' (3rd shot) to just 3 months from 6. My booster was due on Jan 1st, but now it looks like I'll be able to get one immediately (though depending on how that change is put into effect, it will probably not make a huge difference to me anyway)...
 
And in the spirit of everything too slow, the Netherlands have started the booster shots for the pre-war people. I hope that this round of shots goes as when the vaccinations were at full throttle, so that my parents can get their shot well before Christmas.
 

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