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Nine quid in my local Tesco, I've been drinking enough of the stuff to make me ill!
COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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Nine quid in my local Tesco, I've been drinking enough of the stuff to make me ill!
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Hi guys, I'm Italian and I live in the area with the most cases (Milan area) .
I'm fine and my family too but we must be very carefull , the real problem are the limited availability of beds in the Hospitals (intensive care), the most of the Italian deceased people were very old and with other illnesses, in some cases terminals ..
Young people are more resistant but they could transmit the virus to the older, and this is the real danger. You feel yourself fine but at the same time you could be dangerous for the old ones...
below the link with the numbers of the VIRUS updated day by day
https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/
see you ..
I'm fine and my family too but we must be very carefull , the real problem are the limited availability of beds in the Hospitals (intensive care), the most of the Italian deceased people were very old and with other illnesses, in some cases terminals ..
Young people are more resistant but they could transmit the virus to the older, and this is the real danger. You feel yourself fine but at the same time you could be dangerous for the old ones...
below the link with the numbers of the VIRUS updated day by day
https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/
see you ..
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Dotini
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The way I see it, things will get a whole lot better once we achieve herd immunity, and/or have an effective vaccine.
We think vaccines will come by next year, and I think herd immunity will apply when ~60% of your population has acquired and recovered from the virus.
I think over the next year or so, there may be as many as 3 peaks in the outbreak, as it was with the Spanish Flu pandemic.
In the time before it gets worse and finally better, IMHO we practice a combination of containment and mitigation, i.e., "suppression", depending upon our personal circumstances and governments.
Coronavirus: Italy suspends mortgage payments amid lockdown
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...wn-latest-a9389486.html?utm_source=reddit.com
To avoid spamming;
CORONAVIRUS: PASSENGERS ENTERING UK FROM ITALY FACE ‘ZERO CHECKS’ AT AIRPORT
https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...w-airport-a9387072.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Seems clear, that there are no real steps being taken by the government to prevent the spread of the virus in this country.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...wn-latest-a9389486.html?utm_source=reddit.com
To avoid spamming;
CORONAVIRUS: PASSENGERS ENTERING UK FROM ITALY FACE ‘ZERO CHECKS’ AT AIRPORT
https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...w-airport-a9387072.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Seems clear, that there are no real steps being taken by the government to prevent the spread of the virus in this country.
Danoff
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Even if the US and UK took every measure to prevent coronavirus from reaching the country, it occurred to me that a terrorist would smuggle it in, in a package, in a person, somehow. There is no way to stop something like this from spreading.
I would still like to see more practical measures being taken than an open door like the UK photo above.
I would still like to see more practical measures being taken than an open door like the UK photo above.
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The Independent's choice of headline there is... concerning.
The bulk of the article is fine. It actually spoke to the airports and PHE to determine what checks there are for SARS-COV-2 (which are broadly summarised as "no specific checks, unless aircrew advise of a symptomatic passenger". This is stupid given the huge window of opportunity for asymptomatic people to be infectious, but then the virus is droplet transmission rather than fully airborne; the plane's interior surfaces are likely to be pretty infectious too), which is good journalism.
But that headline, seemingly based on that Tweet? Come on, we can't infer anything from that photo. The passenger is standing on the UK side of passport control, after he's passed through either an e-gate (pictured)* or a human border control agent. That's not zero checks, by definition.
The story is PHE's lack of additional measures for passengers and aircraft that have visited high risk zones, not "guy Tweets unverifiable junk". You'd expect it in a tabloid or on the BBC but not a newspaper with a reputation.
Bizarre that it treated a single social media source to a headline quote with that, but didn't go with 'Les Dennis "swore at my 2 year old son".' for a similar story. Different sub-editors, I guess.
I have never had a UK e-gate work for me. I have never had any trouble in any other country, but UK e-gates at three different UK airports have all refused entry and sent me to a human.
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I reckon less than 1% of people who are stockpiling toilet paper actually had any genuine concern that coronavirus was going to for whatever reason cause them to need a surplus of toilet paper, then everyone else just thought “all these idiots are going to take all the toilet paper, better stock up so i don't get caught without it”
The bloke tweeting, isn't just a random person though (I think claims like this are also hard to verify, without them having reporters they can send to Italy and have them fly back so when someone like Fede is able to report on them first hand it's fair to take it as it is);
Federico Gatti
UK bureau chief correspondent @Mediaset
(Italian TV). Previously award winning investigative journalist at The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (@TBIJ)
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Number of UK coronavirus cases rises to 373
The number of UK coronavirus cases has risen to 373, the government has announced.
The Department of Health and Social Care said: "As of 9am on 10 March 2020, 26,261 people have been tested in the UK, of which 25,888 were confirmed negative and 373 were confirmed as positive.
"Six patients who tested positive for Covid-19 have died."
The latest figures mark a rise of 54 cases since the same time on Monday.
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That's still a single, unverifiable source. There's no issue with it being part of the article, and it could be that it was the spark for the journalist to do some journalism, but it is very poor form (likely from a sub-editor) to have it being the basis of the headline. The story - and headline - is PHE's guidelines to the airports. It should be "Public Health England to Make No Additional Checks on Passengers Arriving from Italy".
It is. I'm not even sure it's allowed where he did it either (and he's caught other passengers' faces in the shot).
Danoff
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And I've heard from one symptomatic passenger who was pulled off of a plane (after having boarded) because she had symptoms not consistent with COVID-19. So leaving it up to the flight crew is not necessarily the best move, they seem to have not the greatest idea of what to look for (at least that one southwest crew in texas didn't).
China was looking for fever at every entry point. I feel like that's a fair compromise. I got checked for fever and questioned on my way from mainland China to Hong Kong. Seems like a reasonable precaution.
I'm not sure what could be done for an asymptomatic person short of doing a blood test on everyone. And like I said, terrorists would smuggle it in anyway, so the spread is going to happen whether we like it or not.
Why can people not accept that they do not have control here?
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No doubt there is a lack of control but trying to contain it can save lives and minimise the amount of people effected before a cure, just letting it have free passage will likely lead to hospitals being over filled and killing off alot of elderly that wouldn't of died otherwise as a cure may be possible before it gets to that stage if it's trying to be contained.
The main problem here is Social Media makes anything like this much worse then it would be otherwise, and makes people panic when you get a big circle jerk of the same panic opinions being concentrated, the last time something like this happened was with swine flu but that was in 2009 and social media was still in the early stages.
HenrySwanson
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I really don't think the UK is ready in terms of ICU provision when it hits properly. Triaging like the Italians are having to do at the moment will soon be a reality I fear.
Danoff
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There is no need to do what the Italians are doing. Sheltering the high risk groups (ie: primarily the elderly) is all that is needed. 20 year olds getting sick is not going to flood the ICU.
HenrySwanson
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Sorry, my mistake, should have made clear - triaging for ICU beds (I heard from some callers from Italy in to LBC that some areas are setting a cutoff of 60 years old).
This doesn't fill me with much comfort either
Danoff
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Yes, I'm making an educated guess that most of the people that would require hospitalization are from the high-risk group (primarily the elderly). So that high-risk group being sheltered, quarantined, or whatever is enough to take care of mortality as well as hospitalization concerns. 20 year olds are not the high-risk group for hospitalization or death.
They are, however, the high-risk group for losing their jobs and getting evicted.
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So the 6th person to die in the UK was 60 and also had underlying health problems. No surprises there I guess, however the BBC reports that the underlying conditions were arthritis, heart problems, and cholesterol. I'd previously assumed that where people had talked about underlying conditions, they'd typical be immune system related or respiratory in nature, that would have caused complications.. but it doesn't seem so (at least, not to me - but then I'm not a Doctor).
Danoff
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Arthritis at a minimum seems to be completely unrelated.
HenrySwanson
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From the (very) little I've read, organ failure can follow the initial infection and managing the blood pressure is a challenge. Normally (in a healthy individual) this is managed mainly by the heart so it makes sense that someone with "heart problems" has little reserve to maintain an adequate BP
It has a knock on effect.
Here's a thread from someone on the front line:
https://threader.app/thread/1237142891077697538
Danoff
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I'll admit that that description is worse than I realized. They should have taken the steps I mentioned earlier. I still think the UK and the US (and many other countries) will not need to do what the Italians are doing. They should focus on sheltering the high-risk groups. Pretending they can keep everyone safe is a fiction.
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Underlying conditions for COVID complications are anything heart or lung related. Plus the immunocompromised, as you say.
SARS-CoV-2 binds ACE2 receptors, which you'll find expressed in the cells that line blood vessels of the heart and kidney. If you have any existing heart issues, now's not the time to have them, especially if you're also over 60.
Fun fact: ACE2 is X-linked, which means dudes have one copy and chicks have two. Current death rates are twice as high in men than in women.
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I'd would hazard a guess that the cholesterol and heart problems are really the same thing (one leading to the other) - but from what i understand, my wife suffers from PoTS so has looked into it, corona virus shouldn't affect people with heart issues any more than it would regular healthy members of the public. But anyone with a reduced immune system is always going to be more susceptible to infection.
HenrySwanson
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Not so:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925681
EDIT: Didn't mean to alarm you with those articles. From what I can see there would be no reason to consider POTS as a risk factor for complications from the virus - as always check with the GP/cardiologist.
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I suppose 'heart disease' is from a medical point of view a bit of a vague, all encompassing term. 👍
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I just called the concrete venue and they're monitoring the situation like everyone else. It's up to the bands to decide if they want to cancel/postpone and they told all artists to give 2 weeks notice so there's time to deal with refunds and such. Ugh...
Korean Air 'cannot guarantee its survival'
Korean Air has warned that the virus outbreak could threaten its survival after it scrapped more than 80% of its international capacity, grounding 100 of its 145 passenger aircraft.
"The situation can get worse at any time and we cannot even predict how long it will last," Woo Kee-hong, the president of South Korea's biggest airline, said in a memo to staff.
"But if the situation continues for a longer period, we may reach the threshold where we cannot guarantee the company's survival."
Korean Air has warned that the virus outbreak could threaten its survival after it scrapped more than 80% of its international capacity, grounding 100 of its 145 passenger aircraft.
"The situation can get worse at any time and we cannot even predict how long it will last," Woo Kee-hong, the president of South Korea's biggest airline, said in a memo to staff.
"But if the situation continues for a longer period, we may reach the threshold where we cannot guarantee the company's survival."
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