COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

[noshog]

US peeps, it's all your fault apparently.

He's right that many Americans are unhealthy but it appears that the blame game is going to be played to hide some of their own inadequacies. The same thing has been happening in the UK for the past week or so.

Surely there is a way to blame China for this also.

 

[DesertPenguin]

 

[CTznOfTime]

https://news.yahoo.com/no-spike-coronavirus-places-reopening-132442853.html

Disregard the fact that this is coming from Yahoo News, they are merely relaying the information.

But why is this even considered news...
It's just empty and meaningless words, they are just talking just for talk sake.

I understand the news outlets need to bring news to the people and be transparent, but can't they just say things add explanation to people who cannot think for themselves, because there are a lot of those people.
Why do the news outlets report things that could easily be misunderstood and twisted?!

Clearly the Health Secretary is just speaking out of his rear with baseless claims.

Can't the news outlets point it out to the readers? Because reporting lies as they are spoken is doing everyone a disservice!!!


There is so much underlying things to be said and explained here... When most people would just simply take things at face value, which is WRONG especially with this administration:

No spike in coronavirus in places reopening, U.S. health secretary says
ReutersMay 17, 2020, 6:24 am

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Authorities are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but are seeing increases in some areas that remain closed, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday.

"We are seeing that in places that are opening, we're not seeing this spike in cases," Azar said on CNN's "State of the Union" program. "We still see spikes in some areas that are in fact close to very localized situations."

[...]

Of course there is nothing to be reported, since the virus doesn't have immediate effect, you won't see anything for weeks...

"I think in any individual instance you're going to see people doing things that are irresponsible. That's part of the freedom that we have here in America," he said on CNN.

So does it mean I can speed freely on the freeway?
That is some double standard bull right there...

Edit: people in America should stop saying we live in a free country.
The country is not free, there is nothing free about this country... People are fooling themselves thinking they have freedoms for anything...

Can't the news outlets do a better job, instead of just regurgitating vomit?

Edit:
The Fake Overboard Xenophobic media does it freely, interpreting on their own and wrongly state or twist the truth... Other media should take care to uncover the underlying or implied statement... Every piece of news should now come with a fact check score of some sort...

We all have credit score tied to our names, why shouldn't news or official statement be tied to some sort of credibility score?

 

[Dotini]

Fresh status on US states progress in numbers and reopening.

 

[PzR Slim]

Human guinea pigs, roll up, roll up. Never mind testing a vaccine on people who are already infected is not really going to tell you much. How did this happen?

 

[Joey D]

Human guinea pigs, roll up, roll up. Never mind testing a vaccine on people who are already infected is not really going to tell you much. How did this happen?

I think someone should probably tell him vaccinating people who are already sick doesn't do anything. Although, I suppose if you vaccinate those who are sick and they don't get sick again, because you know they already have antibodies, then you can claim the vaccine is 100% effective.

 

[PzR Slim]

I think someone should probably tell him vaccinating people who are already sick doesn't do anything. Although, I suppose if you vaccinate those who are sick and they don't get sick again, because you know they already have antibodies, then you can claim the vaccine is 100% effective.

I don't understand how someone with a, seemingly, lack of understanding of some pretty basic stuff can have made it to the highest seat in the land. Where are the checks and balances?

 

[Joey D]

I don't understand how someone with a, seemingly, lack of understanding of some pretty basic stuff can have made it to the highest seat in the land. Where are the checks and balances?

The only answer I really have is, it's America. We have an excellent framework on how the country should run with our Constitution, but for whatever reason, our politicians ignore it. Checks and balances also get thrown out the window because politicians are more interested in lobbyist dollars and keeping their political party in power instead of doing their job. It's really frustrating and it's one of the biggest reasons the US was so ill-prepared for COVID-19. We have the power to overcome pretty much anything, but due to petty squabbling between parties, we end up having a prolonged major crisis.

 

[Tornado]

lol "34 cases"

 

[PzR Slim]

 

[McLaren]

Human guinea pigs, roll up, roll up. Never mind testing a vaccine on people who are already infected is not really going to tell you much. How did this happen?

Why bother testing at all? Shouldn't he be touting he's proof himself of what works since he hasn't caught it?

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump said Monday that he is taking the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to lessen symptoms should he get the new coronavirus, even though the drug is unproven for fighting COVID-19.

Trump told reporters he has been taking the drug, hydroxychloroquine, and a zinc supplement daily “for about a week and a half now.”

The president added: “I’m taking it, hydroxychlororquine. Right now, yeah. Couple of weeks ago, I started taking it. Cause I think it’s good, I’ve heard a lot of good stories.”

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...irus/507-814b55b6-87a1-40ad-b38d-ea164a4962c1

I think it's interesting they added that he was not recommended it, he just asked for it & got it.

 

[PzR Slim]

Why bother testing at all? Shouldn't he be touting he's proof himself of what works since he hasn't caught it?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...irus/507-814b55b6-87a1-40ad-b38d-ea164a4962c1

I think it's interesting they added that he was not recommended it, he just asked for it & got it.

I saw that. Interesting to see how Fox News responded.

 

[Danoff]

I think this infographic is supposed to remind you that COVID is not the top cause of death. But holy crap is it big. It's the single biggest cause of death for any communicable disease. When you really think about it, what should you expect? That it's the largest cause of death in the world? I mean... that would be scary as hell.

 

[Joey D]

I think I'm more amazed that 72 people are dying every day due to terrorism. I know it's just the number of people who die every year divided by 365, but to think, on average 72 people die every day due to terrorist actions is still pretty incredible.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Human guinea pigs, roll up, roll up. Never mind testing a vaccine on people who are already infected is not really going to tell you much. How did this happen?

Just another stupid lie.

I don't know why people fall for this crap.

The President is talking about medicine, not a vaccine.

 

[McLaren]

Shouldn't be one of the concerns when talking about other health issues compared to Covid be more about how Covid can exacerbate an issue rather than compared death numbers? From my understanding, 1 health issue like cancer may cause more deaths, but it appears Covid can just as easily boost cancer as a leading cause of death in comparison to Covid being the primary cause, as Covid weakens a body's ability to fight cancer even more.

 

[sirjim73]

I think this infographic is supposed to remind you that COVID is not the top cause of death. But holy crap is it big. It's the single biggest cause of death for any communicable disease. When you really think about it, what should you expect? That it's the largest cause of death in the world? I mean... that would be scary as hell.

All sorts of thoughts emerge from this...

Almost as many people have been dying from Covid-19 as from TB, HIV and Malaria added together!

And then you think, TB, HIV and Malaria are all commonly treated diseases now. How many people die from these 3 in the "first world" now - not many I bet. These 3 figures feel like they should be lower other than for inequalities in the world.

The other figure that seem crazily high is 809 deaths by drowning EVERY DAY! That's equivalent to 2 fully laden aircraft. EVERY DAY. How many of these are deaths that should be easily avoidable?

A relatively small increase in targeted funds could save many of those lives.

I know massive effort is being put in to Covid-19 right now, but let's not forget everything else in the meantime.

 

[Danoff]

All sorts of thoughts emerge from this...

...and how much time do we spend talking about homicide? Covid is already 7x homicide... worldwide!

 

[ryzno]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-keep-who-funding-freeze-in-place

 

[Sander 001]

The data scientist who designed Florida's COVID-19 dashboard — a mobile friendly, intuitive display of the outbreak — has been removed from her position because she refused to censor data and manipulate numbers to generate support for reopening.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Trump sends a letter to the WHO.

Everyone should read this. Don't be gaslighted by the press.

This is the timeline.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Stopped at a UPS store tonight that had a "Please wear masks" sign on the door.

The guy running the place had one on.....only over his mouth and not his nose. Brilliant.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Trump sends a letter to the WHO.

Everyone should read this. Don't be gaslighted by the press.

This is the timeline.

This letter is poorly written!

Who wrote it ?

I am the worse English writer there is.... I can totally see myself writing this letter if a gun was putting on my head...

I would expect much more clarity out of a letter with the White House letter head on top...t

Whether there is truth in it or not, this fills like a scam !

 

[MaxAttack]

This letter is poorly written!

Who wrote it ?

I am the worse English writer there is.... I can totally see myself writing this letter if a gun was putting on my head...

I would expect much more clarity out of a letter with the White House letter head on top...t

Whether there is truth in it or not, this fills like a scam !

As a native (and dare I say more fluent than average) English speaker - no, it's not poorly written.

In fact it's pretty thorough and damned scathing in its tone. Never been one to cheer for every Trump move but, to be honest, someone has to hold the WHO accountable. Their failures have been catastrophic and for all the wrong reasons. We can't have a WORLD health organisation afraid to cross a single government.

 

[Scaff]

Trump sends a letter to the WHO.

Everyone should read this. Don't be gaslighted by the press.

This is the timeline.

Well, that letter gaslit you a fair amount, correlation doesn't equal causality and plenty of what is contained in that letter is wildly assumptive and without evidence to support it.

Let's take one example, that the WHO parroted China and were late in warning that Human to Human transfer could happen, as claimed was the case on 14th Jan (even that claim in Trump's letter has to quote-mine to make the point). Yet four days earlier the WHO had, in fact, warned all countries that it was possible:

"Though the mode of transmission of the causative agent(s) is not established, HCWs should assume the potential for respiratory spread."

and

"Infection prevention measurements for a novel coronavirus (route of transmission unknown but suspected to be respiratory)"

That's without listing the full PPE recommendations included in the briefing, a briefing that was publically available and sent to all countries.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream...oratory-2020.1-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...smission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

The letter also infers that the WHO did not gain access to Wuhan until late Feb 2020, which is utter nonsense, as a WHO team was in Wuhan on the 20th and 21st Jan 2020, around a month before the letter claims the WHO was given access!

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020



Keep in mind that given the exact same information by the WHO the majority of countries in the world have managed to handle the outbreak significantly better than the US (or for that matter the UK, Brazil and Sweden). I mean it's not like Trump was banging on about one of his miracle solutions again last night was it, oh wait.....

 

[PzR Slim]

The first admission of mistakes? Blame game intensifies however.

 

[Touring Mars]

I am currently listening to a presentation on self-cleaning surfaces, with a view to creating a self-cleaning door handle.

Unfortunately, a student in Hong Kong has already come up with a smart idea to address this exact issue...

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/10/09/self-sanitising-door-handle-james-dyson-award/

That said, I did have to check the publication date was not 1st April as the student's name is Sum Ming Wong...

 

[Famine]

The President is talking about medicine, not a vaccine.

Whatever he's talking about, it involves using sick people as guinea pigs for treatment rather than "a test tube".

Testing it on sick people is the fourth stage of drug development. We have three others we go through first to make sure it works, doesn't kill people, give them permanent, life-changing damage, or harm their as-yet unborn children. These stages are vital if you want to create a drug that isn't worse than the illness.

That also happens to answer the question of why we're testing it "in a test tube", not sick people.

 

[Dotini]

I am currently listening to a presentation on self-cleaning surfaces, with a view to creating a self-cleaning door handle.

Unfortunately, a student in Hong Kong has already come up with a smart idea to address this exact issue...

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/10/09/self-sanitising-door-handle-james-dyson-award/

That said, I did have to check the publication date was not 1st April as the student's name is Sum Ming Wong...

Is it true that copper, brass or bronze surfaces resist bacteria more than other materials?

 

[strela]

Whatever he's talking about, it involves using sick people as guinea pigs for treatment rather than "a test tube".

Testing it on sick people is the fourth stage of drug development. We have three others we go through first to make sure it works, doesn't kill people, give them permanent, life-changing damage, or harm their as-yet unborn children. These stages are vital if you want to create a drug that isn't worse than the illness.

That also happens to answer the question of why we're testing it "in a test tube", not sick people.

Whatever he's talking about? Well there's a huge difference between give a medicine or a vaccine to an already sick person.
Doctors are using sick people for testing all the time. Since... forever. Heck sometimes they gave wrong diagnose too. What about placebo? Or side effects that most drugs have. Yet we are still giving them to sick people.
Medicine is about saving lives. If there's a possibility that a drug can save lives it should be considered as an option. Because there is no cure as of right now. This is a health emergency we didn't experience for hundred of years. Is it really that strange that extreme measures are suggested or taken daily?