COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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What occurred to me is that people in Riyadh & other wealthy ME locations maybe spending a lot of time in air conditioned interiors, so the virus may have ample opportunity to flourish in an artificially dry, moderate climate?

I was just thinking about my old lab/office, where there is a weird air conditioning system in the building... not only are the offices and labs open-plan, the air management system probably means that the air is cycled through the entire building.

It is also notable that three of the highest rates of infection (per million people) are Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait... there is also a suggestion now that hotter US states may be susceptible due to the use of air-conditioning:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...n-warm-weather-state-coronavirus-transmission
 
I was just thinking about my old lab/office, where there is a weird air conditioning system in the building... not only are the offices and labs open-plan, the air management system probably means that the air is cycled through the entire building.

It is also notable that three of the highest rates of infection (per million people) are Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait... there is also a suggestion now that hotter US states may be susceptible due to the use of air-conditioning:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...n-warm-weather-state-coronavirus-transmission

There you go. I mean, as far as I understand the logic behind this virus (or anyone does), this seems like a logical proposition. And as for "hotter US states" , well practically all the US states are pretty hot in the summer & Americans (& Canadians) are crazy for AC. One of the bizarre things in NA is the way building are heated so absurdly high in the winter that you are uncomfortably overheated when you go inside ... & cooled so aggressively in the summer that you're freezing when you go inside.
 
The bizarre worship of NZ in some of our media over COVID-19 has been weird. It has the population of Yorkshire in the area of Italy - and 25% of them live in the one city. It is among the most naturally social-distanced developed nations in the world; more people travel through Heathrow Airport in a (normal) year than have ever lived in New Zealand. It'd only be newsworthy if NZ didn't have one of the lowest rates of infection and death per capita in the world.
And being an island that is not a massive commercial or travel hub also helps.

Also, news came out yesterday that as of July 1, the bill for the mandatory 14 day hotel quarantine in Queensland will be paid by the traveller, not the government. I expect NSW and Victoria to follow suit. As it stands, it is $140/room night + $65/adult ($32 for kids) for food. That adds up to $2800 for a single adult, or $4600 for a family of 4 in one room. On top of the crazy price of airline tickets in.
 
And being an island that is not a massive commercial or travel hub also helps.

Also, news came out yesterday that as of July 1, the bill for the mandatory 14 day hotel quarantine in Queensland will be paid by the traveller, not the government. I expect NSW and Victoria to follow suit. As it stands, it is $140/room night + $65/adult ($32 for kids) for food. That adds up to $2800 for a single adult, or $4600 for a family of 4 in one room. On top of the crazy price of airline tickets in.
That's one way to try and pump money back into the hospitality industry. :eek:
 
Utah goes from being one of the states with the fewest transmission to the state with the second-highest rate of transmission. Thankfully, in a meeting yesterday, we were told our hospitalizations aren't increasing dramatically and the growth in cases far exceeds the growth in hospitalizations. We also have something like 1,100 ventilators in the state that are not in use and our total healthcare load is right around 53%. I feel confident we won't end up in a doomsday scenario, but I really wish people would stick to the protocols so we could get our transmission rate down.
 
Utah goes from being one of the states with the fewest transmission to the state with the second-highest rate of transmission. Thankfully, in a meeting yesterday, we were told our hospitalizations aren't increasing dramatically and the growth in cases far exceeds the growth in hospitalizations. We also have something like 1,100 ventilators in the state that are not in use and our total healthcare load is right around 53%. I feel confident we won't end up in a doomsday scenario, but I really wish people would stick to the protocols so we could get our transmission rate down.

Yea you guys are hitting where Colorado was at its peak in terms of new cases, but with like half the population. The idea that colorado can sustain under 300 cases per day for a couple of weeks (our 1 week average of cases per day was over 300 new cases per day 13 days ago and below that since), suggests to me that this might be a sustainable burn rate. CO isn't totally reopened, but a lot of restrictions are eased back substantially at this point and we haven't seen a spike (yet). I'd guess that you folks in Utah could cut your transmission in half without giving up much. Like you said, just follow the protocol.

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On a personal note, I had a contractor in my house to make a repair (I had some work done right before COVID, the repair had been lingering since then). Contractor showed up with no mask. I stopped him at the door and said "do you have a mask? I can give you a new one if you need one." to which he said "oh that's ok, I have one" and pulled it out of his pocket.

He wanted to enter my home unmasked and work inside my house, despite having a mask in his pocket, just because he didn't want to wear it. He was hoping I would either not care, or feel awkward about asking. I find this annoying. He should insist on wearing that even if I tell him it's ok not to.

Even though it is probably not particularly helpful, I sanitized door handles and light switches after he left.

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Second personal note. My oldest kid is in summer school (finally). All students answer a questionnaire and get temp checks at dropoff. No parents allowed inside. Students are required to wear masks almost the entire day (except when outside and spaced apart). They're also kept segregated to groups of no more than 10, and it's the same group each day.

My daughter is thrilled to spend time with her friend (in her group). Doesn't complain about the mask.
 
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And being an island that is not a massive commercial or travel hub also helps.

Also, news came out yesterday that as of July 1, the bill for the mandatory 14 day hotel quarantine in Queensland will be paid by the traveller, not the government. I expect NSW and Victoria to follow suit. As it stands, it is $140/room night + $65/adult ($32 for kids) for food. That adds up to $2800 for a single adult, or $4600 for a family of 4 in one room. On top of the crazy price of airline tickets in.
Those prices are for the 91k arrivals by air so far. Apparently it's cost Victoria about 80 million and NSW about 50 million so far. The other states would be far less.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...uarantine-hotels-by-state-government/12361544

Edit: 15 million has been spent in WA on returned travellers and they're also considering a traveller pays system.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...case-as-millions-spent-on-quarantine/12370174
 
Those prices are for the 91k arrivals by air so far. Apparently it's cost Victoria about 80 million and NSW about 50 million so far. The other states would be far less.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...uarantine-hotels-by-state-government/12361544

Edit: 15 million has been spent in WA on returned travellers and they're also considering a traveller pays system.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...case-as-millions-spent-on-quarantine/12370174

The story I read yesterday said Queensland will have spent $21m by July 1. I've been reading stories on expat Facebook groups that the food supplied is pretty average - tolerable if you aren't paying for it, but completely unacceptable for $65/day. Quality of hotel also varies. Luck of the draw gets you anywhere between barely 3* and top shelf 4*
 
The story I read yesterday said Queensland will have spent $21m by July 1. I've been reading stories on expat Facebook groups that the food supplied is pretty average - tolerable if you aren't paying for it, but completely unacceptable for $65/day. Quality of hotel also varies. Luck of the draw gets you anywhere between barely 3* and top shelf 4*
I've been hearing the same as regards to food. The returned travellers to my state (SA) have been very happy with their conditions unlike many others.

Doesn't sound all bad.
 
Since some of the restrictions have been lifted, we've had 3 days of rising numbers on the IC's over the weekend. It went from 73 to 87 but since Monday the numbers have been going down again. We're now back down to 67. Also, rather importantly, Oxford University scientists found that the drug Dexamethason helps people that need ventilation, chance of death drops by 30%, and 20% with those who can breathe without a ventilator.
 
Also, rather importantly, Oxford University scientists found that the drug Dexamethason helps people that need ventilation, chance of death drops by 30%, and 20% with those who can breathe without a ventilator.

Saw that, it's pretty interesting. I'm familiar with dexamethasone because of infertility. It's part of the huge number of medications needed for IVF. This kind of thing is a reason to postpone getting COVID for as long as possible, we'll keep getting better at treating it. Mortality should drop over time.
 
Brazil just recorded ca. 55,000 new cases... in one day.

To put that in perspective, that is just under the total number of cases in Sweden, and would be enough to put Brazil into 25th place in the global list of cumulative confirmed cases using yesterday's total alone.

Even if that number turns out to be inflated for some administrative reason (i.e. inclusion of previously missed cases, or broader criteria for classifying cases), Brazil is still in a very bad state. Just 4 days ago, Brazil registered over 37,000 new cases in one day... AFAIK, that was the second highest number of cases recorded in one day anywhere in the world, only eclipsed by the US recording 39,072 new cases on April 24th. Given that Brazil's population is only 65% that of the US, the relative number of new cases in Brazil has been the worst in the world since May 28th.
 
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Brazil just recorded ca. 55,000 new cases... in one day.

To put that in perspective, that is just under the total number of cases in Sweden, and would be enough to put Brazil into 25th place in the global list of cumulative confirmed cases using yesterday's total alone.

Even if that number turns out to be inflated for some administrative reason (i.e. inclusion of previously missed cases, or broader criteria for classifying cases), Brazil is still in a very bad state. Just 4 days ago, Brazil registered over 37,000 new cases in one day... AFAIK, that was the second highest number of cases recorded in one day anywhere in the world, only eclipsed by the US recording 39,072 new cases on April 24th. Given that Brazil's population is only 65% that of the US, the relative numbe of new cases in Brazil has been the worst in the world since May 28th.
This was Bolsonaro's reaction back in April when the death toll was only 5,000.

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“So what? I’m sorry. What do you want me to do? My name's Messiah [reference to his middle name Messias], but I can't work miracles.”

I wonder whether he's changed his tune since then or is too busy dealing with the corruption scandal involving his son. My thoughts are with @Warte at this time and I hope he and his family are safe.
 
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I just messaged my mate in Manaus and all is well there for him and his family, which is great news. It's all a bit surreal here, as lockdown restrictions are gradually being lifted. There's a definite sense of unease, though - and it feels like two separate forces are pulling at the same time... the urge for people to return to normality (which some seem to have no problem with already) and the dread of facing lockdown restrictions being reimposed and/or the whole thing starting afresh.

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Meanwhile, Donald Trump is to hold a campaign rally in the BOK Center in Tulsa tonight (Be OK Center... geddit?), though attendees must agree to waive their right to sue either Trump or his campaign if they contract COVID-19.
 
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America: We're number one in COVID-19 cases.

Brazil: *hold my caipirinha*

I really hope they can get it under control. No country should aspire to pull the numbers the US is pulling. Especially, if their population is significantly less.
 
America: We're number one in COVID-19 cases.

Brazil: *hold my caipirinha*

I really hope they can get it under control. No country should aspire to pull the numbers the US is pulling. Especially, if their population is significantly less.
They're really taking that Senna quote too seriously.
 
...Feels like literally a couple of days ago that I was bemoaning the fact that South Africa breached 70,000 overall cases milestone.

Well, it's now over 92,000 here.

Yet the government here seems to have just about given up or caved in depending on how you look at it. Just about every single business type, including the entertainment sector, are to be allowed to open their doors.

I get that economy needs to function somehow and put the proverbial food on our tables, but is reopening, say, casinos really necessary? This is purely anecdotal and I've no data to back me up, but from what I observed, an overwhelming majority of casino patrons are squarely in the most affected age groups. Wouldn't opening casinos cause a potential floodgate of clogged-up hospitals and Covid19 deaths to burst open?
 
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Brazil just recorded ca. 55,000 new cases... in one day.

To put that in perspective, that is just under the total number of cases in Sweden, and would be enough to put Brazil into 25th place in the global list of cumulative confirmed cases using yesterday's total alone.

Even if that number turns out to be inflated for some administrative reason (i.e. inclusion of previously missed cases, or broader criteria for classifying cases), Brazil is still in a very bad state. Just 4 days ago, Brazil registered over 37,000 new cases in one day... AFAIK, that was the second highest number of cases recorded in one day anywhere in the world, only eclipsed by the US recording 39,072 new cases on April 24th. Given that Brazil's population is only 65% that of the US, the relative number of new cases in Brazil has been the worst in the world since May 28th.

Yep. And far-righters still acts like is the opposition+communist plot. There are two types of person that are rooting for the lifting of restrictions. The President supporters and those who desperately needs to work. Criminally, the income help that was approved by the congress (R$600/month) was completely s**t****ed by the public bank that handled it, and a lot of people didn't receive the money, while some others receive it without needing. It is plausible that it was sabotaged by purpose to create animosity. But there is a dose of incompetence too.

This was Bolsonaro's reaction back in April when the death toll was only 5,000.

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“So what? I’m sorry. What do you want me to do? My name's Messiah [reference to his middle name Messias], but I can't work miracles.”

I wonder whether he's changed his tune since then or is too busy dealing with the corruption scandal involving his son. My thoughts are with @Warte at this time and I hope he and his family are safe.

No, no change of tune at all. He is still treating the same way. But also, there is the dose of panic from the other investigations too.

Yesterday, a "partner" of him, that went missing for more than a year, was arrested. He was hidden in a site owned by the President's lawyer...The guy, Fabricio Queiroz, is considered the top operative from his family criminal actions, involving corruption from him and his sons legislative mandates, and also with his ties with Police Militias in Rio (Organized Crime).

Also yesterday, the ex-Education Minister (that I already told about here, XD) escaped to Miami while still in office, using a diplomatic passport. He was dismissed as soon as he arrived in the US. Why? Because he was close to be indicted for his racism against China, and more dangerously, for advocating for a coup in a ministerial meeting (that I also told you before XD). Now the President appointed him to a World Bank position that we have, but since he entered illegaly, using the diplomatic passport for personal gains, I think it will fail too. Hello DHS!!

Thanks, me and my family are still safe. Everybody is taking the precautions seriously and avoiding going out, and we didn't have any case yet (at least symptomatic). But as long as this situation lasts, I can't work. I'm a Freelance Race/Data Engineer, and racing is closed for now... Economically, I'm safe though.


I just messaged my mate in Manaus and all is well there for him and his family, which is great news. It's all a bit surreal here, as lockdown restrictions are gradually being lifted. There's a definite sense of unease, though - and it feels like two separate forces are pulling at the same time... the urge for people to return to normality (which some seem to have no problem with already) and the dread of facing lockdown restrictions being reimposed and/or the whole thing starting afresh.

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Meanwhile, Donald Trump is to hold a campaign rally in the BOK Center in Tulsa tonight (Be OK Center... geddit?), though attendees must agree to waive their right to sue either Trump or his campaign if they contract COVID-19.

Yep. Restrictions are being lifted disorderly, forced by lobbyism, denial or desperation.

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They're really taking that Senna quote too seriously.

You know what is tragically ironic?

Considering Senna political endorsements when alive, and also his economic/ideological background, it is a safe bet that he would be a Bolsonaro supporter if alive, at least during the elections, ha!
 
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Source: Taiwan beat coronavirus without sacrificing democracy

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — During a speech at a democracy summit on Friday (June 19), President Tsai Ing-wen (蔡英文) said Taiwan fought off the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) without sacrificing its democracy — and democratic nations should never rest until everyone is free.

As the featured speaker at the 3rd Copenhagen Democracy Summit on Friday, which was held online, Tsai said that Taiwan's experience of COVID-19 showed it could beat the virus without sacrificing democracy. The pandemic has led to the rearrangement of global supply chains and economic strategies, she said, adding all democratic countries with similar ideas should work more closely together.

She said the signing of an investment agreement between Taiwan and the European Union would be "a great first step."

Tsai also mentioned that democratic countries should make use of economic forces to consolidate and strengthen democracy. During her second term as president, she said the administration would continue to develop democracy and deepen Taiwan's relations with other democratic countries.

The Copenhagen Democracy Summit, organized by the Alliance of Democracies, was held online this year because of the pandemic. Tsai was invited to deliver a pre-recorded speech to open the summit and the moderator Jeanne Meserve introduced Tsai as the "President of the Republic of China."

In her speech, Tsai pointed out that Taiwan's experience in responding to the outbreak shows that it is important not to sacrifice "our most important democratic principles." She asserted that Taiwan's democracy has been a "critical asset" in Taiwan's battle against the virus because it gave "everyone a stake in stopping this pandemic."

Given Taiwan's success, Tsai said it was all the more disappointing the World Health Organization (WHO) put politics ahead global public health and failed to invite Taiwan to share its experience of fighting the virus at this year's World Health Assembly (WHA). She emphasized that Taiwan is ready to assist other countries and pointed out how Taiwan has already donated essential medical supplies to more than 80 countries, including more than 52 million masks.

Unlike communist China, Tsai said that Taiwan's assistance to other countries has never been a question of "quid pro quo," but was instead based on the needs of international friends. Taiwan believes that in terms of strengthening democracy, it is also a matter of "helping ourselves in order to help others."

Tsai pointed out that while building, renewing, and sustaining democracy at home, "we are supporting the cause of democracy around the world." Likewise, if countries allow anti-democratic forces and dictatorships to expand internationally, "we are neglecting our own democratic values."

She then focused on Hong Kong and said that Taiwan, together with the international community, calls on the Beijing authorities to abide by their commitments and respect Hong Kong's fundamental freedoms. "We do not believe in merely looking on as others defend their freedom," said Tsai.

The president noted that with only weeks before the 23rd anniversary of Hong Kong's handover to China, the situation in Hong Kong continues to deteriorate. She pledged that Taiwan will continue to provide all necessary humanitarian assistance to the people of Hong Kong people.

Tsai stated that Taiwan is on the frontline of the global community of democracies, while "authoritarian forces regularly target our people through hybrid tactics meant to intimidate, isolate, and misinform." However, she asserted the results of the presidential election in January this year proved these attacks only strengthened the resolve of the people of Taiwan to defend its democracy.

Tsai said the road to recovery after the outbreak will be very difficult, and the democratic system will suffer. Therefore, the international community needs to find a new balance, which includes "weighing values and economic interests more equitably."

As the pandemic has forced a rearrangement of global supply chains and economic strategies, Tsai believes this presents an opportunity for increased cooperation among like-minded democracies across the world. She predicts that European and American businesses will seek more reliable partners.

She directly addressed investors by saying: "Democratic Taiwan with its respect for the rule of law, human rights, and intellectual property, its talented workforce, and its strong and trustworthy track record in high-tech industries welcomes your investment."

For her second term as president, Tsai pledged that "Taiwan will continue to stand for democracy at home," while deepening ties with other democracies around the world. She then reminded other democratic countries not to rest on their laurels:

"Those privileged to live in a democracy must never rest until the entire world can share in the birthright that is freedom."

The Democratic Alliance is a non-governmental organization established by Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former Danish Prime Minister and former Secretary-General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), in 2017, and the summit was held for the first time in 2018.
 
A very clear 2nd wave of cases has emerged in the State of Washington.

A new record was set for daily cases at 624. Yakima Country seems to be worst affected, despite not being the most populous. 4% of state population is getting 20% of state cases and 22% of hospitalizations and 26% of positive test results. All residents are now required to wear masks in public places.

All counties in Washington are now in Stage II of the release from lockdown. This means restaurants will open at reduced capacity. The governor is asking all citizens to wear masks in public.
 
The US overall is on an upswing in new cases/day that we have not seen since the initial outbreak. Texas, Florida, and California appear to be the driving force (Arizona is also taking off).
 
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