Current PSN outage: Don't abuse or we lose this thread.

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Famine
We have no evidence that they weren't.



We have no evidence that they didn't.

Anything can be hacked - even the PS3 which lasted a staggering amount of time unhacked. No network is secure. Nothing is secure. There's always something more you can do to protect yourself and there's always a new way around it. It doesn't matter what security measures are in place, you cannot protect yourself from a determined criminal - and the criminal is always to blame for committing the crime.

My car has a 15 year old immobiliser and a 10 year old alarm. If someone really wanted to nick it, they could. Even if they weren't bothered about driving it, they could HiAb it away - so I have it parked in the garden behind a 6 foot fence, a forty foot house, thirty feet away from the road behind two locked garage doors. I could do more - I could park it inside the garage behind it (so it's then sixty feet from a road and behind three locked garage doors, under cover). But ultimately if someone still wanted to take it, they could.

If they do, it's not my fault, it's not Mazda's fault, it's not Clifford's fault, it's not Lidget's fault, it's not my friendly local builder who put the fence up's fault, it's not the local council contractors who built the extension's fault and it's not the local council contractor who built the house's fault. It's the criminal's fault. It really is just that simple.
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100% agreed 👍. It's a case of 'where there's a will, there's a way'. If someone wanted to break into your house, no matter how good the lock on your front door is, they'll just throw a brick through your window.
 
NFSCARBON1
100% agreed 👍. It's a case of 'where there's a will, there's a way'. If someone wanted to break into your house, no matter how good the lock on your front door is, they'll just throw a brick through your window.
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Very true! However, there are people on this forum who would still blame the homeowner.

<sarcasm>

No bars on the windows? Are you insane?

A house with windows? You're begging to be robbed!

No moat around the house? Of course they picked on you!

Because, after all...it's because some people have nice things that other people steal, don't you know? And, you know, they're not really thieves, they're freedom fighters! They're going to liberate you from all your stuff! This is all for your own good...protecting you from the bad, evil corporations that sold you your stuff. Really, you should be thanking them!

</sarcasm>
 
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Japan retail data:

The PS3 sold 23,954 units between Apr. 25 and May 1 to rank No. 3 in overall sales.
The Xbox 360 sold 4,082 units between Apr. 25 and May 1 to rank No. 7 in overall sales.

So the Ps3 is rocking the clock, regardless of Outtage :)
 
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caninehostile
Japan retail data:

The PS3 sold 23,954 units between Apr. 25 and May 1 to rank No. 3 in overall sales.
The Xbox 360 sold 4,082 units between Apr. 25 and May 1 to rank No. 7 in overall sales.

So the Ps3 is rocking the clock, regardless of Outtage :)
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That's pretty awesome :)
 
With all those sales, I would hope that Sony is dishing out some overtime pay this weekend...
 
I need PSN! I miss my bobs[/QUOTE]

All of my Bob's have been stuck online with very full wallets. Hope they havn't been spending it all.
Oh, no! I sure hope the hackers didn't get acces to the "Bank of Bob" too!
 
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Just got so bored of waiting I decided to watch Britains Got Talent. My Bobs had near empty wallets but I was contemplating doing the grand valley 300km race on 21st April and was horrified when I got the 8072A06 or whatever when I tryed to sign in. Wound up doing it in A Spec. Bumped me to A Spec lvl 33 so thats a plus :)
 
Famine

My car has a 15 year old immobiliser and a 10 year old alarm. If someone really wanted to nick it, they could. Even if they weren't bothered about driving it, they could HiAb it away - so I have it parked in the garden behind a 6 foot fence, a forty foot house, thirty feet away from the road behind two locked garage doors. I could do more - I could park it inside the garage behind it (so it's then sixty feet from a road and behind three locked garage doors, under cover). But ultimately if someone still wanted to take it, they could.
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Osama? Is that you?

Sorry, I'm bored...

I hope these free games aren't absolutely horrific. However, we can't really complain if they are. A free game (or two) is better than nothing.

As long as PSN is back up by the time Dirt 3 lads behind the front door I'll be happy. :P
 
Looks like another delay:

Reuters
UPDATE 2-Sony removes data posted by hackers, delays PlayStation restart

Sat May 7, 2011 3:39am EDT

* Data from 2001 product sweepstakes contest

* No fixed date for PlayStation Network restart

* No data leaked on credit card, social security info (Adds details)

TOKYO, May 7 (Reuters) - Sony said on Saturday it had removed from the Internet the names and partial addresses of 2,500 sweepstakes contestants that had been stolen by hackers and posted on a website, and said it did not know when it could restart its PlayStation video games network. The company, under fire since hackers accessed personal data from about 100 million user accounts of its PlayStation Network and PC-based online gaming services, said in a statement details posted on the inactive website also included three unconfirmed e-mail addresses.

The data came from customers who entered a 2001 product sweepstakes contest. The list did not include information on credit cards, social security numbers or passwords.

"The website was out of date and inactive when discovered as part of the continued attacks on Sony," Sony said, adding that the company took the website down shortly after finding out about the postings on Thursday. Sony Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer apologised on Friday to users of the firm's PlayStation Network and other online services, breaking his silence on the massive data breach. The company said last Sunday that it would begin restoring services within the week but a spokeswoman said on Saturday this would not be possible, and that no date had been fixed for when services would resume.

The incident may prove to be a significant setback for a company looking to recover after being outmanoeuvred by Apple in portable music and Samsung Electronics in flat-screen TVs.

In video games, it faces a tough fight with Nintendo's Wii game console and Microsoft's Xbox.

"This wait is becoming so tedious. I know there needs to be a lot of testing, but it is really getting annoying. I am seriously considering changing to the Xbox," said message posted by a user called Cryonic UCX on the U.S. PlayStation blog.

"I LOVE my PlayStation, but Sony is not doing well in the online. Sony, you need to step your game up!"

On Friday, Sony shares ended 2.3 percent lower in a broader market down 1.5 percent, extending its total losses to about 6 percent since it revealed the breach. The Nikkei is up around 3 percent over the same period.

Sony issued its first warning on the PlayStation break-in a week after it detected a problem with the network on April 19, infuriating many users around the world. Sony said it needed time to work out the extent of the damage.

The hackers have not been identified, but Internet vigilante group Anonymous, which had claimed responsibility for previous attacks on Sony and other corporations, denied it was behind the data theft. [ID:nN05150202]

The group's statement came after Sony said Anonymous was indirectly responsible for the attack on the company.

Sony, which is set to report its annual earnings on May 26, has yet to specify the financial effect of the network breach. (Reporting by Isabel Reynolds, Chisa Fujioka; Editing by Nick Macfie)
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Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/07/sony-idUSL3E7G701T20110507
 
Aldo
Osama? Is that you?

Sorry, I'm bored...

I hope these free games aren't absolutely horrific. However, we can't really complain if they are. A free game (or two) is better than nothing.

As long as PSN is back up by the time Dirt 3 lads behind the front door I'll be happy. :P
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The free games in my opinion are
Angry Birds
Terminator
Tetris
Calling All Cars
MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
 
Famine
We have no evidence that they weren't.



We have no evidence that they didn't.

Anything can be hacked - even the PS3 which lasted a staggering amount of time unhacked. No network is secure. Nothing is secure. There's always something more you can do to protect yourself and there's always a new way around it. It doesn't matter what security measures are in place, you cannot protect yourself from a determined criminal - and the criminal is always to blame for committing the crime.

My car has a 15 year old immobiliser and a 10 year old alarm. If someone really wanted to nick it, they could. Even if they weren't bothered about driving it, they could HiAb it away - so I have it parked in the garden behind a 6 foot fence, a forty foot house, thirty feet away from the road behind two locked garage doors. I could do more - I could park it inside the garage behind it (so it's then sixty feet from a road and behind three locked garage doors, under cover). But ultimately if someone still wanted to take it, they could.

If they do, it's not my fault, it's not Mazda's fault, it's not Clifford's fault, it's not Lidget's fault, it's not my friendly local builder who put the fence up's fault, it's not the local council contractors who built the extension's fault and it's not the local council contractor who built the house's fault. It's the criminal's fault. It really is just that simple.
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I see your point but you can't act like what I'm saying doesn't make sense as well. If you LEAVE YOUR CAR UNLOCKED more people will be enticed to break into it. Human nature. If something is easy to steal and there's less risk of getting caught why not do it? That's why bate cars work. Some individuals will go through neighborhoods just checking car doors and stealing from open ones. So if you leave yours unlocked or locked there's no difference? That I can't agree with and police data is to the contrary.

Nothing is "that simple" and there are more factors that go into this than your argument lets on. I mean I'm not trying to get into it but why not just admit it isn't black and white? Even if no network is secure (and no car either, for that matter), increased security measures are available. And if Sony is updating them now, why didn't they go to a version like this before? The fact they're going to be "confident" in the new system lets on there is a better system to be confident in in the first place, and the consultants they used suggested these measures.

So how is Sony going to be "confident" it won't happen again? Can they be? Maybe not, as some of you suggest. I can concede that. But isn't a thief going to steal with the least risk and the most gain? All I'm saying is create the largest amount of risk available to you or, indirectly, you have aided the thief in the ease of their task.

It's just my opinion and we don't have to go back and forth but, the main point of my thoughts are, while of course I blame the hackers for this, and think they should be punished, I don't abstain Sony. At least not until this all gets sorted out more concretely and it's proven they did everything in their power to protect its customers from harm.

I think it's dual-natured. Your house has an alarm and motion-lights that go off when someone steps up to your door and the neighbor's doesn't have jack, who do you think is getting robbed tonight?

Also I mean this all in friendly conversation so I don't mean to re-kick-start an argument I'm just bored :)

I'll be building my PC this weekend so after that I'll be less annoying to y'all :)
 
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You're still operating on the assumption that Sony left their network unprotected - with all your analogies to unlocked cars and unprotected homes. There is still no evidence of this.

The burglar/car thief is still the person who committed the crime and the person whose house was burgled/car was stolen is still the victim of the crime, regardless of how protected it was or was not.
 
Famine
You're still operating on the assumption that Sony left their network unprotected - with all your analogies to unlocked cars and unprotected homes. There is still no evidence of this.

The burglar/car thief is still the person who committed the crime and the person whose house was burgled/car was stolen is still the victim of the crime, regardless of how protected it was or was not.
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Then there is the greedy insurance company refusing to cover a claim because the owner forgot to lock a door. Some areas, people still leave their doors open without thinking twice. I know people who had to put a lot of effort into not leaving keys in the ignition, because their area used to not be infested with thieves.

Then there is the thief who presses charges against the homeowner because the homeowner shot said thief in his (_|_) as he was running away from the house or car!
 
Tower Turn 13
I think it's dual-natured. Your house has an alarm and motion-lights that go off when someone steps up to your door and the neighbor's doesn't have jack, who do you think is getting robbed tonight?
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Nice point if your going for the easiest target.
BUT if you had some kind of "beef" with The motion lights, alarm house.

Then the Motion/Alarm house WOULD have been taken down NO MATTER. :)
Wouldn't it?
 
Regarding psn it is too soon to see wether Sony will be found at any fault or not. Over time governments could levy fines against them, they could loose civil or class action law suits. That is when you will know if societies deem them negligent or not.

My worry is simple; that the structure of the ps3 will make this an on going battle accelerated compared to the 'normal' cat and mouse we are used to.
 
The major problem for Sony here isn't that the PSN was hacked, it is the lengthy service outage. With Sony's stock falling, it shows that consumers are now beginning to abandon ship and that is not a good thing. Sony is known for making quality products. They make great televisions and audio equipment. I personally have a Sony flat screen (the only company to make a 1080, 32", 120 hz television) and a BluRay home theater system to go with the PS3. This ultimately affects the likelihood of me purchasing any more Sony electronic equipment. I've been on the fence with a DSLR camera, but I will have to rethink my evaluation of Sony.


Another issue at play here is the corporate bullying Sony has done that has led, in part, to PSN being hacked. I don't want to get into who did what, but the why is pretty clear. Sony's use of strong-arm tactics against individuals put a gigantic target on their back. I hope that Sony can learn from this whole sad story that it isn't appropriate to lash out at people seeking greater knowledge. If things were being done in order to gain financial knowledge about consumers or the company, fine. It wasn't, though.

I'm getting to the point where I have nothing left to accomplish in any of my others games. Is getting a 360 out of the realm?
 
What do you think is a Realalistic "Welcome Back" Reward that Sony could provide?

I think it could be:
20$/£/€ in Playstation "Money"
30 days Playstation+ -confirmed
1 free DLC of choice
 
Today, I stopped by Gamestop, to pick up an older 'lighthearted' game to keep me entertained until psn comes back up. The clerk said people are coming in left and right to sell ps3 games (they were stacked behind the counter). I figured he was overstating things, until I came home and saw all the ps3's for sale or trade on craigslist. Every trade offer was someone looking for an xbox 360. PSN would have to be down for a while before I'd consider looking into a 360, but people have grown weary of the current situation, and despite what any of us thinks, it appears the migration has begun.
 
PiRacingChamp
Today, I stopped by Gamestop, to pick up an older 'lighthearted' game to keep me entertained until psn comes back up. The clerk said people are coming in left and right to sell ps3 games (they were stacked behind the counter). I figured he was overstating things, until I came home and saw all the ps3's for sale or trade on craigslist. Every trade offer was someone looking for an xbox 360. PSN would have to be down for a while before I'd consider looking into a 360, but people have grown weary of the current situation, and despite what any of us thinks, it appears the migration has begun.
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Oh I know man... I agree and I know some people migrating to the dark side my self :/ .. Psn better hurry up..
 
That is true. The Albany Craigslist just exploded with PS3 systems today. Some of them are 40GB or 80GB fat systems. Could also take advantage of the situation too(I bet it would be nice for some people to have a 80GB fat PS3 to play PS2 games).
 
machate-man
What do you think is a Realalistic "Welcome Back" Reward that Sony could provide?

I think it could be:
20$/£/€ in Playstation "Money"
30 days Playstation+ -confirmed
1 free DLC of choice
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We know it's PS+ and two (out of five given games) for PS3 and two (out of four) for the PSP. We don't know what the games are. And I'm guessing it's a PSN game or a PS3/PSP exclusive published by Sony (e.g. GTPSP, Infamous, LBP, Modnation etc).

 
Famine
We have no evidence that they weren't.



We have no evidence that they didn't.

Anything can be hacked - even the PS3 which lasted a staggering amount of time unhacked. No network is secure. Nothing is secure. There's always something more you can do to protect yourself and there's always a new way around it. It doesn't matter what security measures are in place, you cannot protect yourself from a determined criminal - and the criminal is always to blame for committing the crime.

My car has a 15 year old immobiliser and a 10 year old alarm. If someone really wanted to nick it, they could. Even if they weren't bothered about driving it, they could HiAb it away - so I have it parked in the garden behind a 6 foot fence, a forty foot house, thirty feet away from the road behind two locked garage doors. I could do more - I could park it inside the garage behind it (so it's then sixty feet from a road and behind three locked garage doors, under cover). But ultimately if someone still wanted to take it, they could.

If they do, it's not my fault, it's not Mazda's fault, it's not Clifford's fault, it's not Lidget's fault, it's not my friendly local builder who put the fence up's fault, it's not the local council contractors who built the extension's fault and it's not the local council contractor who built the house's fault. It's the criminal's fault. It really is just that simple.
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The guy who posted the passcode to disarm you security system on youtube has got to share a bit of the blame...
 
Fair enough to the counter arguments. I won't push the issue since it's sort of shooting in the dark and a lot of this case is still in "no comment" mode. Also these arguments on forums always have a tendency to evolve into semantics battles and people start fighting about the legitimacy of analogies and the structures of sentences, whether or not proper grammar is used etc. and this one is soon to be on its way there.

What you guys are saying makes sense, and I don't think Sony was, like, selling our credit card numbers to Libyan terrorists. I just wonder why "new" psn is new, and not what they aimed for in the beginning. I'm sure all this will play out more fully but honestly I'm just gonna go post some lap times with my new NOMAD Diablo :)
 
nik99
The guy who posted the passcode to disarm you security system on youtube has got to share a bit of the blame...
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Sony sued him and they settled out of court, I don't think it's very likely he will be tried for any crime.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if MS lowers Xbox 360 prices by around $40.00. Microsoft is known to be aggressive when it comes to marketing and it would be wise for them to do this.

Sony might not even release a PS4. Hell, they might just declare bankruptcy within a year. They lost alot of both normal and loyal consumers so they will have to go all-out in marketing. Maybe if they slash prices they can recover.
 

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