DAE think ranking should be separated by assists used?

[Verbal]

Incidentaly the fastest drivers do also use this fastest option, otherwise they can't enter the top ranks.

More power to them. Where did I say I'm blaming them for it?

I do not want to sound harsh, but if your main aim is to compare i can assure you, that those top guys are normaly also really fast without any SRF.

You don't sound harsh, just like someone trying to misunderstand me on purpose. I'm not blaming anyone for anything, I'm not remotely saying I'd be on top with SRF, I'm not even saying there should be no SRF in the Seasonals. All I'm saying is I'd like to be able to compare times with those playing the same game. I.e. filters. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Sudenkorento]

There's always someone thats trying to play the "deal with it" card.

I'm with you. It's not about trying to beat the SRF users. I want to filter and compete with people not using SRF (or active steering). Yes, let the SRF users top the leaderboards. I want to compare my times to people not using it. Not because "they are better" or "I'm better" etc... Just a filter. Surley it can't be that hard for others to comprehend.

True, and i don't understand why the SRF fans are so mad if players want filters.
If I like to drive without assist and compare my times with other players with similar interest, what are we then taking a way from you?
Nothing...

Besides what Flinx said about finding your personal limit, it helps at least me, when Ican see that someone did it 05 seconds faster.
Then I know that its possible, maybe not for me.In theory there's still time to be made...

 

[Flinx]

I guess i misinterpreted your wish for an option to filter the results.
Sorry, my bad, better improve my english and in addition my reading comprehension.

To replay for the personal limit: i do normally feel i reach my personal limit. Knowing that someone has higher limits makes me not faster.

And to finally get the turn and stay on topic: yes, please, add an option to filter the results.

 

[Mr616]

True, and i don't understand why the SRF fans are so mad if players want filters.
If I like to drive without assist and compare my times with other players with similar interest, what are we then taking a way from you?
Nothing...

Besides what Flinx said about finding your personal limit, it helps at least me, when Ican see that someone did it 05 seconds faster.
Then I know that its possible, maybe not for me.In theory there's still time to be made...

It's curiousity for me really. Find what you think is your limit, then compare yourself. As someone already stated, it's human nature. Yes, people are faster using SRF. I don't deny that and they are no better or worse a driver for it. I choose to play without it for my own reasons and would like to compare times with like minded drivers. I won't sit there and think "well that's the best I can do"... I want to improve and find that extra 10th of a second.... Flinx, doesn't knowing someone is faster make you push harder, or in fact learn that they maybe slower in certain places making them faster on exits. A lot can be learned from comparisons

 

[Verbal]

I guess i misinterpreted your wish for an option to filter the results.
Sorry, my bad, better improve my english and in addition my reading comprehension.

No problem 👍

Knowing that someone has higher limits makes me not faster.

Hmm. So you know you've reached the limit, you're satisfied and call it a day. But then you learn that someone's got you beat by two seconds. Won't that make you keep at it? Work on your setup, try different lines, push harder, take more risks, leave your comfort zone?
No, I think knowing that your present limit isn't the absolute limit is exactly what can make you faster.

 

[Flinx]

Please do not misinterpret me now.
I didn't say i reached the limit, i said i reached my personal limit.
Limit of the car and track are normally higher than my personal limit but i can live with this knowledge.

And i want to reach my times with all wheels on the track and without cutting, so i know that people will be faster than me, way faster.
But this is not what i look for, i aim for my personal limit within my personal ruleset.

 

[Mr616]

Please do not misinterpret me now.
I didn't say i reached the limit, i said i reached my personal limit.
Limit of the car and track are normally higher than my personal limit but i can live with this knowledge.

And i want to reach my times with all wheels on the track and without cutting, so i know that people will be faster than me, way faster.
But this is not what i look for, i aim for my personal limit within my personal ruleset.

I get what you mean

 

[Sidebrowns]

I think a pretty easy solution to the SRF issue would be to let players use it in the TTs, HOWEVER if their lap is any faster than the gold time then the game would only record on the server the exact required time for gold.

That way newer players who struggle to get gold still can use SRF to do so, but to post a faster time than gold you'd have to run without it.

 

[eclipsee]

@Flinx , WOW! Long time no see you Harald. 👍

If I remember well, in GT5 Prologue there was two leader boards for each combo, one for SRF users and another one for non SRF users, I don't see why this couldn't happen again, I really missed those leaderboards online in GT5, and I miss them so far in GT6 too.

IMO, an aids filter is needed, SRF is too much advantage to have a mixed leader board with it included.

 

[Flinx]

Hi Ramon,
i have a hard time to meet you while you are driving several seconds ahead of me.

To stay on topic: it would be nice if this "advanced" leaderboards (multiple filter options) would also be available for licenses and missions.

 

[citycar]

I didnt see this thread, i made a new thread in the seasonals asking if there was a ranking page like mygranturismo.net for GT6.

I also made a poll regarding the subject in this thread:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/live-timing-boards-with-filters.300289/

(Quote: TCS prevents wheelspin by dramatically reducing throttle, which is slower than manually using exactly enough throttle to balance on the edge of traction. ASM dabs the brakes to stabilise the car, which also slows you down. The skid recovery force however is basically just a big finger from the sky that nudges your car if it begins to slide, and pretty much turns off weight transfer during cornering.

source: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/941103-/57589284)

The secret is that 'SRF' = beginner physics mode. 'SRF' is a marketing ploy from PD to give 'customer satisfaction'.

 

[joeledward]

There's always someone thats trying to play the "deal with it" card.

I'm with you. It's not about trying to beat the SRF users. I want to filter and compete with people not using SRF (or active steering). Yes, let the SRF users top the leaderboards. I want to compare my times to people not using it. Not because "they are better" or "I'm better" etc... Just a filter. Surley it can't be that hard for others to comprehend.

But isnt that what the friends list and lobbies are for?

 

[Sudenkorento]

But isnt that what the friends list and lobbies are for?

Friends list is for people with friends who play.
Not everybody have friends who play turismo...

Never played online... Haven't had the curiosity find out how it works without someone sniffing i bag of peas...

So that in mind filters would be a easy solution and it would not take anything from the players...

 

[Johnnypenso]

The SRF/leaderboard solution is simple. Allow any and all aids in TT's, but the leaderboards only show times set with ABS=1. So anyone can use whatever benefits them to earn their money, but if you want to compete on the world stage, you do it with ABS only. Simple.

That's the simple solution. What would require a bit more work but should be done IMO is what Milouse did with GT5. Leaderboards with a wealth of filtering options. This can easily be done through a dedicated external website like Milouse created, or something created and managed by PD. With hundreds of thousands or millions of hits on a monthly basis and run by a large corporation, you'd think it would be a no brainer for advertising revenue to pay for the site as well.

 

[Sidebrowns]

The SRF/leaderboard solution is simple. Allow any and all aids in TT's, but the leaderboards only show times set with ABS=1. So anyone can use whatever benefits them to earn their money, but if you want to compete on the world stage, you do it with ABS only. Simple.

My thoughts exactly (7 posts up)

 

[GTAndy36]

This filtering of the leaderboards idea is a fantastic one. Been having this discussion with mates, and separate leaderboards across the game were thought about; an SRF and a non-SRF board.

This filter option would allow all of us to compare to the aids we want to compare and compete with.

Do it Kaz, we've got enough cars and tracks for now... lots of gameplay enhancements are required!

[sarcasm mode]
a lot more than a big wing on a concept car
[end sarcasm]

 

[yannagas]

i think the best of both worlds would be 2 separate leaderboards. One with just abs1 the prestigious one,
and another one with all aids and filters for the results.
This would enable recording 2 best times for each account, one in each leaderboard.
So that way, when testing out aids, you don't have to worry of recording a silly fast time in the main leaderboard.

Edit: even the first leaderbord should have a filter for those wishing to use abs0

 

[xiando]

There is no need for a separate leaderboard. Simply enact filters and be done with it.

That's something that both normal people and the self-appointed racing commissars agree about. Filters would make the leaderboard more effective.

The players can choose to sort it out for themselves and those who can't handle the competitions being open and winnable by the general player can continuing whining like school children because they can't have an elitist game, where the vast majority of players is here simply to offset their costs. They're going to whine anyway, (seems to be their #1 "contribution" to the community) but at least we'll have filters for car, region, PP, aids, etc.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There is no need for a separate leaderboard. Simply enact filters and be done with it.

That's something that both normal people and the self-appointed racing commissars agree about. Filters would make the leaderboard more effective.

The players can choose to sort it out for themselves and those who can't handle the competitions being open and winnable by the general player can continuing whining like school children because they can't have an elitist game, where the vast majority of players is here simply to offset their costs. They're going to whine anyway, (seems to be their #1 "contribution" to the community) but at least we'll have filters for car, region, PP, aids, etc.

So you're whining and an elitist if you want filters for leaderboards?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I don't care about leaderboard anymore, most of them are irrelevant With the recent trend of SRF optional TT, I'm only interested in friends that share similar driving preferences - no assist. It's useless to compare my time with those using SRF or any other assist ( ABS included ) - usually both used, some even have active steering, auto, and TC. The past few weeks, I don't even really bother to look up friend's ranking anymore or doing the TTs ... spent my time tuning cars and making replicas instead, polishing my driving skills taming MR beasts, doing arcade races with extreme weather on comfort tires, and occasional online hosting no ABS lobby with comfort tire restriction - need to keep it alive

 

[xiando]

So you're whining and an elitist if you want filters for leaderboards?

No. I didn't say that. I said

"That's something that both normal people and the self-appointed racing commissars agree about. Filters would make the leaderboard more effective.

The players can choose to sort it out for themselves and those who can't handle the competitions being open and winnable by the general player can continuing whining like school children because they can't have an elitist game, where the vast majority of players is here simply to offset their costs. They're going to whine anyway, (seems to be their #1 "contribution" to the community) but at least we'll have filters for car, region, PP, aids, etc."

 

[Johnnypenso]

No. I didn't say that. I said

Yeah you did, and your attitude is terrible.

That's something that both normal people and the self-appointed racing commissars agree about. Filters would make the leaderboard more effective.

The players can choose to sort it out for themselves and those who can't handle the competitions being open and winnable by the general player can continuing whining like school children because they can't have an elitist game, where the vast majority of players is here simply to offset their costs. They're going to whine anyway, (seems to be their #1 "contribution" to the community) but at least we'll have filters for car, region, PP, aids, etc.

 

[xiando]

My attitude is fine Johhny. You jerks are the problem. I wouldn't be posting things like this without you throwing the "first punch".

 

[Johnnypenso]

My attitude is fine Johhny. You jerks are the problem. I wouldn't be posting things like this without you throwing the "first punch".

Right, the guy who has to resort to name calling to get his point across has a fine attitude...lol

 

[xiando]

Lol. Funny, but after all the name calling to people who use SRF and other aids, I'd think you'd have a thicker skin for what you dish out (since you apparently consider yourself one of those with whom I have an issue)

Don't like the response, don't dish out the incendiaries that generate them in the first place.

 

[DigitalBaka]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/have-2-different-seasonal-boards-for-srf-no-srf.298335/

 

[Sidebrowns]

The problem with filters or a separate leaderboard is that while you may have set the fastest time without SRF or even ABS there's people who will be using those aids that that are ahead of you and would still have ranked above you if they hadn't used them. So the way it is you can't get an accurate ranking either way.

I don't think it's elitist at all to want to push to be better and see where you rank among the rest of the world. That's the point of competition.

 

[xiando]

If a contest is held by organization Z that specifies rules, then you can compete with the rest of the field by complying with the rules or you can choose to leave and form your own event. In this case, it means writing your own game, since PD is concerned with more than a few thousand semi pro and pro licensees of their playstation game. I don't think it's elitist to push oneself. I do it all the time. However, I think it's very elitist to demand or even insist that the millions of licensees play by your league rules, let alone what you want PD to do to ensure the competition IS elitist.

If you choose not to use SRF, then do so. If you choose to, then do so. whatever. You can choose to compete in the seasonal events or not. It's your choice. I think filters are a great idea, but the draconian "solutions" offered by the officious members of the "No aids" camp ARE elitist, by their very nature and by what they mean to other players who don't have the greatest skills or are more casual players (but still paid the same license cost as you or I).

Feel free to disagree. it won't change my opinion or stance one iota. I'm not posting to find agreement with you guys, I'm doing so to empower others that like me are tired of your camp's overly officious stance. And me, I think PD will agree with me about the nature of their product, even if they hand out a token race or two along the lines that complies with your demands. In either case, you'll probably find something to complain about. In the past three years, that's about all I ever see coming from you guys. Loads of whine and jeez. (there's a thread for that btw)

 

[Johnnypenso]

If a contest is held by organization Z that specifies rules, then you can compete with the rest of the field by complying with the rules or you can choose to leave and form your own event. In this case, it means writing your own game, since PD is concerned with more than a few thousand semi pro and pro licensees of their playstation game. I don't think it's elitist to push oneself. I do it all the time. However, I think it's very elitist to demand or even insist that the millions of licensees play by your league rules, let alone what you want PD to do to ensure the competition IS elitist.

If you choose not to use SRF, then do so. If you choose to, then do so. whatever. You can choose to compete in the seasonal events or not. It's your choice. I think filters are a great idea, but the draconian "solutions" offered by the officious members of the "No aids" camp ARE elitist, by their very nature and by what they mean to other players who don't have the greatest skills or are more casual players (but still paid the same license cost as you or I).

Feel free to disagree. it won't change my opinion or stance one iota. I'm not posting to find agreement with you guys, I'm doing so to empower others that like me are tired of your camp's overly officious stance. And me, I think PD will agree with me about the nature of their product, even if they hand out a token race or two along the lines that complies with your demands. In either case, you'll probably find something to complain about. In the past three years, that's about all I ever see coming from you guys. Loads of whine and jeez. (there's a thread for that btw)

What is elitist is you and your crappy," I'm right and you guys are all wrong and I'm not listening to you la la la la la" attitude. Most people simply want filtering options so they can compare their specific way of driving and see how they stack up against the rest of the world under identical conditions.

 

[beza]

Topic drift?