"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Little_Guppy]

Brands Hatch and Laguna Seca will be fun to TT as per usual, not sure how the racing will be.
I guess we've gotta hope that the FF tyres drop off enough to warrant a pitstop at Laguna for there to be any strategy

If nothing else the switch to mediums will force the pit tradeoff. Race C is more special when it a pit strategy is required *and* when there is no clear *best* strategy.

 

[05XR8]

Did a Customer Race with the Atenza. Started default 11th and wasn't hurrying the o pass the AI. Took the lead around Lap 8 and pushed. My times were within the 1:34 range before I lead the race. Dropped to 1:31s through to the finish.
Front tyres were 1/4 worn. So, I think versus humans, tyres might be half worn on the fronts.

Guess we'll see the META on Monday.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Did a full run with the GT-R and last lap was only 2.5 secs slower than best. Front right was half way down. As long I didn't fight too hard that's workable, but going to try and find something better.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Did a full run with the GT-R and last lap was only 2.5 secs slower than best. Front right was half way down. As long I didn't fight too hard that's workable, but going to try and find something better.

Its probably too heavy to manage the tyres, unfortunately! Sounds like the Cayman and McLaren are likely to be the popular choices!

 

[Little_Guppy]

I went into a custom race with the race C settings and clipped a lap, there's a couple mistakes in it but the laptime is pretty much on target for race pace. I think it'll do a better job of explaining than if I wrote it out

Wonderful. I see where you are nudging the brakes while on full throttle at Les Combes, Les Fagnes, Stavelot, and the bus top chicane. *That* looks very manageable. I was overthinking it.

My goal is to have a spare charge at Eau Rouge (on a fast lap, of course). It means 100% of the corner exits will have a full boost.

Time for some more practice.

Once again, thanks for your patience and time.

An update. It worked! I just completed a race after practicing.

• Got my best overall race time of the week (based on about 6 races).
• Got my best race laps of the week. There were no 2:01:* race laps for me before today.
• Managed the regeneration while mostly not getting passed - got P4 and started Q5.
• Was mostly able to maintain a charge through Blanchimont.
• Was never able to maintain a charge through Eua Rouge - and that hurts. As you mentioned simple trimming no longer works for harvesting at 0%. Hard braking is required to restart the charge.
• I am not able to replicate your nice "step function" braking from 20% to 100%. Instead, I am using a sooner/longer but lighter overall braking. It is less predictable - but that is more of a problem for the guy behind me .

The net is that there is *more* time to be gained. I expect I can improve my overall race time by several more seconds if I can maintain a charge through Eau Rouge. The vicious no-charge cycle will turn into the virtuous always-charged state.

 

[NoStopN]

So when they make race C GR4 they at least need to up the tyre wear so it's actually worth taking several cars. This will be the third out of 4 weeks where a pit stop isn't needed, not saying it needs to be mandatory like last week, but these longer sprints are more boring than they need to be.

I'll say that they need to be mandatory. Make us use more than one tire compound. It created some interesting strategies last week.

Being unoriginal hasn't stopped PD before.

True. I'm still trying to get over a few weeks ago with the Gr. 4 race B & FF only race in the same week.

It's a shame but Gr 4./Gr.3 races are pretty stale now. Where's the fun?

Fun peeks it's head out now & then. Gr. 2 at DTS is my Exhibit A. SF19 cars anywhere is my Exhibit B.

I don't know. Are you sure the mediums won't wear out before finishing 13 laps?
For me, I think after 8 or 9 laps, I'd be having some grip problems.
Then again, I have no clue how to take care of my tires.

Same for me. Multiplier at x6 will punish tires. I predict pit stops, especially for me.

The GTR is AWD and will melt tires. I tend to think the track favors a better handling car than the F-type, and the better handling cars are also usually better on tires. Who knows though -- I have more miles in the Gr 4 F-Type than any other car in the game, so I'd be fine with it being good

Seeing how narrow & tight the track is, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody could win in an 86.

Edit: This may even be one race where the Gr.4 Supra might even be able to work in race.

But nobody has that car.

 

[roamingbard13]

Seeing how narrow & tight the track is, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody could win in an 86.

As a Toyota factory driver in the most recent FIA season, I sure would be!!!!

(But maybe...the 86 did well at Big Willow)

 

[05XR8]

86 did well at Red Bull Ring short, in my FIA race. I might try that. It goes well at Interlagos Race C. I could also see the Evo and STI being the dark horses. For some reason, the STI does well in tyre wear races. From how I've seen other players perform with it.

Monza will priobably be an F1 & Vantage scrap. Mix in the Mustang and Ford GT.

Annnnnyway... I was so dirty in Race C this morning. Set a 2.00.006 in the LM55. Starting 4th(P1 TS050, P2 908, P3 R18), a player a few places back, in a TS050, types for everyone to take it easy. Well, of course, that player was bumping others in corners, later in the race.
On the first lap, after the PZ, I'm slowing for the corner, the car behind, is on my tail. We get to the first downhill right and it's sending morse code to his commander. I'm like dude! The race just started. I push back and off it goes. 5 seconds for me. Another hybrid and another hybrid, use the "push to pass"/bump&run. Enough! I'm knocking dudes off. No penalties when I do it. However, I get 1 second for kerb at eau rouge.

I had dropped to 6th and after all that, the LM55 holds its tyres from about Lap 8 to the finish. I was stuck in the 2:02s, with green(PBs) every one of those laps. Finished 2nd, 15 seconds behind a 908. Post race, 5 players DNF'd and noone typed anything. That awkward post race silence.

I swear these players act up because they can recover points for such long laps and a long race. Otherwise, I bet many A/S players would be C/C.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Your losing close to 20 secs with a tyre change so stopping won't really work. I did a run on the GT-R and I was going to be close, but I pitted to see the loss, will run with no pit and then try something else. Tried the McLaren and hated it, but then I find the MRs in this game handle really weirdly.

Set BB to +2 and shift at about 65%.


Oh, I have the Gr4 Supra. Maybe try it out....

 

[Little_Guppy]

86 did well at Red Bull Ring short, in my FIA race. I might try that. It goes well at Interlagos Race C. I could also see the Evo and STI being the dark horses. For some reason, the STI does well in tyre wear races. From how I've seen other players perform with it.

Monza will priobably be an F1 & Vantage scrap. Mix in the Mustang and Ford GT.

Annnnnyway... I was so dirty in Race C this morning. Set a 2.00.006 in the LM55. Starting 4th(P1 TS050, P2 908, P3 R18), a player a few places back, in a TS050, types for everyone to take it easy. Well, of course, that player was bumping others in corners, later in the race.
On the first lap, after the PZ, I'm slowing for the corner, the car behind, is on my tail. We get to the first downhill right and it's sending morse code to his commander. I'm like dude! The race just started. I push back and off it goes. 5 seconds for me. Another hybrid and another hybrid, use the "push to pass"/bump&run. Enough! I'm knocking dudes off. No penalties when I do it. However, I get 1 second for kerb at eau rouge.

I had dropped to 6th and after all that, the LM55 holds its tyres from about Lap 8 to the finish. I was stuck in the 2:02s, with green(PBs) every one of those laps. Finished 2nd, 15 seconds behind a 908. Post race, 5 players DNF'd and noone typed anything. That awkward post race silence.

I swear these players act up because they can recover points for such long laps and a long race. Otherwise, I bet many A/S players would be C/C.

PD has an amazing game and has solved some tough problems like the graphics and car simulations. Unfortunately, they have managed to get some of the easy things wrong.

1. It is too easy to move up and down in the SR rating to make it almost meaningless. It unduly punishes and rewards short term behavior over long term behavior. It is too easily gamed. A'hem, who called Race C the best DR/SR currency exchange program - Guilty.
2. The daily races need more variety. St Croix II was awesome because it was different, that's all.
3. Ill conceived punishment for bad behaving drivers tends to reward them with easier competition and race wins. The timeout lobby below SR.S is much more shallow. The DR resets only compound it.

I don't want to go into it but this board has proposed many simple remedies. We can only hope for a better model in GT7.

 

[GTWolverine]

PD has an amazing game and have solved some tough problems like the graphics and car simulations. Unfortunately, they have managed to get a some of the easy things wrong.

1. It is too easy to move up and down in the SR rating to make it almost meaningless. It unduly punishes and rewards short term behavior over long term behavior. It is too easily gamed. A'hem, who called Race C the best DR/SR currency exchange program - Guilty.
2. The daily races could need more variety. St Croix II was awesome mostly because it was different, that's all.
3. Ill conceived punishment for bad behaving drivers tends to reward them with easier competition and race wins. The timeout lobby below SR.S is much more shallow. The DR resets only compound it.

I don't want to go into it but this board has proposed many simple remedies. We can only hope for a better model in GT7.

Once upon a time, long long ago, the Daily Races used to have much more variety. Then PD fell in love with Fuji, Suzuka, and the Toyobaru twins, and life hasn't been the same around here...

*record scratch*
But to your point about DR and SR, I think PD is trying to do too much with the same system. I assume the thinking behind SR deductions and DR resets is that it messes up your chances to score good points in FIA races, so if everyone was playing this game with scoring points in the FIA championships in mind, they'd be worried about being punished and be on their best behavior. That idea is easily defeated by the existence of alt accounts, but even without those, because this game is designed to still be accessible to casual players, most of the people playing don't care that much about FIA results, so a DR reset is just a chance to mine wins like you said.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Once upon a time, long long ago, the Daily Races used to have much more variety. Then PD fell in love with Fuji, Suzuka, and the Toyobaru twins, and life hasn't been the same around here...

Maggiore Center with Fiat 500 F wants to have a word with you.

 

[05XR8]

We're due for the MX-5 TC.

 

[Groundfish]

I’m glad I took the week off. Crummy races have lowered morale.

 

[O604]

Maggiore Center with Fiat 500 F wants to have a word with you.

Ah the memories... sometimes I still worry my car will flip over on T1 because of that week.

 

[numbnuts70]

Come Monday.


Race A

Autodromo Nazionale Monza

3 Laps 12 Players Car(s): N200 | Specially Provided Car BoP: None Settings: Adjustable Tire: Sports: Medium DR Limit: None

Conditions

Fuel Cons.: None Tire Wear: None Damages: None Boost: Off Off-track Slowing: Real SlipStream: Weak Start: Grid Start

Pit Regulation

Mandatory Stop: None Mandatory Tires at Pit Stop: Sports: Medium Refueling at 0 L/s Fuel Tank Limit: None



Race B

Brands Hatch Grand Prix Circuit

5 Laps 16 Players Car(s): GR3 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Medium DR Limit: None

Conditions

Fuel Cons.: None Tire Wear: None Damages: None Boost: Off Off-track Slowing: Real SlipStream: Real Start: Rolling Start

Pit Regulation

Mandatory Stop: None Mandatory Tires at Pit Stop: Racing: Medium Refueling at 0 L/s Fuel Tank Limit: None



Race C

WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca

13 Laps 20 Players Car(s): GR4 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Medium DR Limit: None

Conditions

Fuel Cons.: x2 Tire Wear: x6 Damages: None Boost: Off Off-track Slowing: Real SlipStream: Real Start: Rolling Start

Pit Regulation

Mandatory Stop: None Mandatory Tires at Pit Stop: Racing: Medium Refueling at 7 L/s Fuel Tank Limit: None

 

[GTWolverine]

We're due for the MX-5 TC.

I think that's gonna be at least 1 option for Race A next week.

 

[williams_v_r]

or keep playing GTS...

 

[Pigems]

Ah the memories... sometimes I still worry my car will flip over on T1 because of that week.

 

[MidnightRun85]

So I finally got round to having a go at Race C. Oh my days.... interesting race! Didn't fare very well....

 

[sturk0167]

 

[NoStopN]

As a Toyota factory driver in the most recent FIA season, I sure would be!!!!

(But maybe...the 86 did well at Big Willow)

I've won in the 86 at Big Willie.



But, that was before a major BS BoP adjustment.

 

[Rexracer702]

Tried the mazda, the nissan, the audi, but the toyota is still the best tool for me. Not a bad way to finish the night. The weeks first podium, and CRB to boot.

 

[05XR8]

The RX-V was good at the recent Monza Race C. Sprint Race B might be a nailbiter. Guess we'll see the same desperate moves at every inch of the track.

Preparation videos

 

[bone_tone]

Ah the memories... sometimes I still worry my car will flip over on T1 because of that week.

Like this you mean?

 

[Raceourse42]

am struggling to get under 2.00 mins in race c, how on earth do the top 10 get under1.57s?

 

[GR33N]

am struggling to get under 2.00 mins in race c, how on earth do the top 10 get under1.57s?

Precisely because they're not from earth!

 

[AfraidRacer]

All this talk about Race C strategy is good, it means that the race will be varied. I suspect the key will be in not fighting too much and managing the tires.
I’m glad to hear the Ferrari might be competitive, because I didn’t get to use it much in the last FIA season. No way I’m signing with them again though.
What’s the chance of some fools showing up in a TT because they saw it on the top 10 leaderboards though?

Anyway, I didn’t run too many races this week, but I had some really good ones. This one is my personal favourite, as it has some great close racing, along with a VERY dramatic final lap. I won’t spoil it though, you’ll have to watch it for yourself!

I don’t think I’ll make any videos next week, Laguna is fun but not THAT fun.

 

[hardvibes]

What is wrong with me??

In all B races I always get decent lap times in qualification, and I always start within the 5-6th position.
But on Lago Maggiore I can't seem to get anything better than 2:05.757 and I always start at the bottom of the pack.
I tried a lot of different cars. The TT/RCZ are, apparently, the best of them...

The difference in height and the fact that I really hate this track might play a big factor but I don't know. Anybody else having issues?

 

[Rexracer702]

am struggling to get under 2.00 mins in race c, how on earth do the top 10 get under1.57s?

Brake a bit later, trail brake better, perfect line and apex point, on the gas sooner, manage wheel spin better, don't lift, and in this race, in the Audi, manage the battery so there's always boost. Repeat at every corner. Easy
What I want to know is, what times are possible in the Toyota, and what times can the Audi do if you don't manage the battery, AKA, how much time is lost when boost runs out for the main straight and after LaSource. Those seem to be the spots I can always blow by them when they do.

What is wrong with me??

In all B races I always get decent lap times in qualification, and I always start within the 5-6th position.
But on Lago Maggiore I can't seem to get anything better than 2:07.087 and I always start at the bottom of the pack.
I tried a lot of different cars. The TT/RCZ are, apparently, the best of them...

The difference in height and the fact that I really hate this track might play a big factor but I don't know. Anybody else having issues?

Some tracks click, some don't. I don't know why. Some tracks I can hang with A+ racers and compete, especially if I'm "on". Some tracks I run at the back and can't compete at all. Once in a while I'll find a key something at one of those tracks, and make a big jump. When I have the time, I'll watch a replay from in car, then chase the ghost. Then I can tell where I'm loosing time, if
I stay close enough. Then back to the replay to learn more. Sometime, I never learn...

After looking at that last post, I got curious, and looked at my stats. Eliminating any track with less than 10 races, my best track (based on top 5 finishes) is Tokyo South Inner with 87% top 5 and 36% win rate with 58 races. Next is Tsukuba, with 80% and 25% out of 63 races. My worst is Mount Panarama with 5% top 5 and no wins, 20 races. Gotta work on that one.