"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Sean YZF]

Not too bad a week at Mount Panorama for myself.
Using the Mustang my best finish was a 2nd place, the win is eluding me but the highest I've started is 7th on the grid so not too bad.
Midweek was a bit rough, ended up SR C at one point, more accidents than deliberate dirty driving, back to S now.
As @TonyTufast said the Mustang is highly stable platform with the legs on the straights, it doesn't seem to have the initial grunt out of corners, possibly down to me using TC 2 & a numb hand on the last couple of laps
GR X at Suzuka next week could be fun too

 

[Norrin Radd]

He got a reset to D/E at the end of one of his streams. And technically his "YT" acct is an alt. (I think somebody already brought that up.) But he's going to have to work his way back up the ranks to repair his DR - and that's one of the main problems with the DR reset system. Now you have a fast high A driver blowing by D & C ranked drivers. That doesn't make for a fun race for anyone.

He didn't blast by anyone, he didn't finish think he was about Skyline when time ran out. Your point is valid though, penalising bad sports is fine, but the way it's done doesn't help anything.

 

[Groundfish]

I’ve found on C race that a one stop in the First On Race Day pony car has been brilliant.
6-3 S to M. It’s been so successful I haven’t tried S S M.



Edit re topic of streamers in general running from the back.
Ok this is yet another reason I qualify on alt. You get these kids doing “last to first” challenge trying to create entertaining content ok?
Well, over the course of my thousands of hours in sport mode I’ve gotten hit harassed punted etc waaay too many times by these types. For a long time I didn’t know the names and was confused by “no qual” players rapidly approaching from last.
I’ve had many a game ruined by their self entitled rude impatient and arcade racing style. Anymore I give no quarter if I encounter them I treat them the same as any other player. Plus, IM ON ALT and therefore care very little...

I’ve heard convos where these streamers refer to regular players as “pylons”
We are not pylons
We are people trying our best
Leave us alone
If you do race from the back you better be a shining example of patience and FairPlay otherwise you’re being a jerk.
Jmo

 

[newb1017]

I made a clip for you. Try it like this.
Use the feather flags at the bottom of the turn for reference. Try to apex the turn about where the last flag is, and be off of the throttle by then.
Be at zero throttle for a split second, then jam it down into 3rd and hammer the gas. The car should be able to hold the bottom of the track. No throttle control needed.
You don't need to be all the way on the curb, like I was. Being right down at the edge is just as good.
Go get a 45.9. 👍

Thank you very much. Will try later and will focus on that one. It is one of the lines I was talking about. The other was hitting the right curb area a little sooner and coming high left (it can also not end well..lol), and the other was hitting the right curb just a little later and not going high at all. Managed a sub 15 on all 3, but really felt the key was just coming off the throttle" just enough" and riding the curb for the right amount of time for each line. What I find is odd is that I never can get a good time on lap 1, even though I can hit the start/finish line at the same speed as all the other laps.. First sector in lap 1 is always around 15.2XX or 15.3XX and then after that in the 15.1XX or 15.0XX. 1 in 10-15 times I get a sub 15. Cold tires maybe?? Or is that even a thing in GTS.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Hugs not drugs

it doesn't seem to have the initial grunt out of corners

If on Racing Softs you can easily turn off TCS as long as you got a little distance from other players. Coming out of Forrest's Elbow you can get on the gas before you can see around the corner and get a run on nearly everything. I have been catching Vantage, Vette, even a GTR F1 with the Mustang on Conrod. If you do use the TCS and have to because of other drivers you should open up your steering a little before stepping on the loud pedal. Gradually as you open the steering, you feed more gas in. That way the TCS doesn't step in as harsh

 

[barak181]

He didn't blast by anyone, he didn't finish think he was about Skyline when time ran out. Your point is valid though, penalising bad sports is fine, but the way it's done doesn't help anything.

I think I popped in on one stream where it looked like he was pitting every lap. (I turned it off.) Which is even worse, now you have a fast driver trying to entertain himself doing stupid 🤬 because he's in slower lobby.

I think that both speaks to his maturity level, the need for content creators to always come up with something "different" and what happens when something fun becomes a grind. It ruins the experience for many people.

 

[NSP525]

Watching streamers moan about slower traffic is not entertaining content in the least. Was watching Z28 yesterday and he was running from the back in top split but being very respectful. He was letting chat pick his strats and engaging with them in meaningful ways rather than complaining of being held up all race. He must run some @Groundfish levels of FFB because by the end of the race you could tell he was working, was entertaining to watch and his driving is clean and fast.

 

[Groundfish]

He must run some @Groundfish levels of FFB because

I run 4-4. I think that’s default.
I like Z28’s content. Clean and fast/respectful and positive.

 

[O604]

1 Race B this morning. Good race. Started 7th, finished 6th.

Didn't race much, but fun week of combos. Combos have been good lately. Competition has also been good too.

Coincidentally (or not) rate of qualification was 100% this week in all my races.

 

[Little_Guppy]

I leveled up! A+ has been achieved!

I’d been stuck in the high B low A range for awhile, but kicked things into a new gear this past month. It may also have helped that I cut back a lot on drinking. Late night race results have certainly been better at least, but to the racing:

Starting with GR 2 at Seaside, I was minimizing wheel spin and my anticipation vastly improved to keep the car stable.

The next week at Spa with GR 1 I translated the GR 2 skills over and gained a better understanding of setting up an attack.

Then at Brands Hatch in GR 3 I mostly held station as I couldn’t figure out how to overtake on that course, but it was good practice for applying the GR 1 and 2 lessons to this category.

I came into this week at Bathurst in GR 3 with high confidence and a goal to hit A+. The Vette has been planted and fast for me all week. My optimal QT was under 2 minutes, but I never hooked up that lap. My times did improve over the week to keep me near the sharp end.

I dabbled with an alt account for a month, but it wasn’t for me. This is the account I’ve played on since launch. I struggled and eventually quit playing for awhile. I returned with a T300rs in May of last year and steadily improved (I’ll give you one guess at where that is on the graph below). I’m really proud to see how far I’ve come. I really enjoy being a part of this community and thanks to all for sharing your stories and advice.
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Congratulations!

That is a serious accomplishment. From what I can tell from "down here" there is no shortcut. The only way to get there is to run with and beat other A/A+ racers.

👍👍

 

[Groundfish]

@NSP525

I shared the replay from that first race on z’s stream under search tag tpc.
If you watch my lap five you’ll see why I was where I was later.
I was swerve blocked by second who was recovering from hitting the wall at Griffins.
That dirty idiot ruined my race right there. Then he added insult to injury when he parked it in defense at the chase and really put the pack right up in me.
That caused me to then have my biggest near miss of the week exiting Murray’s, I knew the pink vette was going to dive.
That was a very dirty one, at the front. Guys turn into idiots when there’s a streamer.
THAT is why I shared that replay.
Lap seven it’s the pink vette again trying to run me off at the chase then the divebomb from the guy who was penalized.. Then HE parked it at Hells like a whiny child, then Z is coming up.
Lool

 

[Little_Guppy]

<...SNIP...> and that's one of the main problems with the DR reset system. Now you have a fast high A driver blowing by D & C ranked drivers. That doesn't make for a fun race for anyone.

Alright, time for PD to fix their resets. We have already designed it. A good solution is to add increasing ballast according to SR level. It shall be placed in your passenger seat and you will need to turn to acknowledge it before you can enter the grid.

Ballast 1:

Baby Yoda

• Little_Guppy
• Feb 7, 2021

Ballast 2:

Helga

• Little_Guppy
• Feb 7, 2021

Ballast 3:

Charles Manson

• Little_Guppy
• Feb 7, 2021

Ballast 4:

Giraud

• Little_Guppy
• Feb 7, 2021

Ballast 5:

Sumo

• Little_Guppy
• Feb 7, 2021

Ballast 6:

Jabba The Hutt

• Little_Guppy
• Feb 7, 2021

 

[Matrix243123]

Our driving styles might play a hand in that as well. I know some people say they race in cockpit view while I always go chase cam. It allows me to see the car's full position on track in relation to the track markers. I use cones too & sometimes you have to memorize where those cones are on lap 1 because they won't be there on lap 2.

I definitely don't use cockpit view, roof view works best for me. Guess chase cam would be better peripheral but also seems like a disconnect since its car is farther away. Probably would be better for living room setup.

 

[NSP525]

@NSP525

I shared the replay from that first race on z’s stream under search tag tpc.
If you watch my lap five you’ll see why I was where I was later.
I was swerve blocked by second who was recovering from hitting the wall at Griffins.
That dirty idiot ruined my race right there. Then he added insult to injury when he parked it in defense at the chase and really put the pack right up in me.
That caused me to then have my biggest near miss of the week exiting Murray’s, I knew the pink vette was going to dive.
That was a very dirty one, at the front. Guys turn into idiots when there’s a streamer.
THAT is why I shared that replay.
So people can see who to watch for hint hint stopthe rhymes with peel is a stinky filthy smelly driver
Lap seven it’s the pink vette again trying to run me off at the chase then the divebomb from the guy who was penalized.. Then HE parked it at Hells like a whiny child, then Z is coming up.
Lool

Well held by you, this is why I like the 2 stop sometimes. Once you get stuck in with some of those packs it's like you never escape but you don't seem to mind the chaos lol. All really situational with traffic though, holding onto track position at Bathurst is never a bad idea either. Would of been interesting to see where you would of been without the slip up at Murray's, after that it was pretty much screwed for sure.

If I learned anything from that replay it's that my pit crew and I need new suits!

 

[Little_Guppy]

If on Racing Softs you can easily turn off TCS as long as you got a little distance from other players. Coming out of Forrest's Elbow you can get on the gas before you can see around the corner and get a run on nearly everything. I have been catching Vantage, Vette, even a GTR F1 with the Mustang on Conrod. If you do use the TCS and have to because of other drivers you should open up your steering a little before stepping on the loud pedal. Gradually as you open the steering, you feed more gas in. That way the TCS doesn't step in as harsh

Thanks. Been working on the Forrest's Elbow exit. I have noted the top GT-R lappers accelerate in 3rd gear instead of 2nd. Like you said, they appear to start the acceleration before rounding the corner. I can't get it to work. It is leading to understeer which suggests that it is working a little too well and now I need to adjust the timing.

Otherwise, it has been a very interesting week at Bathurst as Gr 3 is a weakness for me. QT is 2:01.1 and a good race time is less than 19:00. It allows me to run semi-competitively in the lower part of the A lobbies and can avoid DFL. In those races I am 2+ seconds/lap behind the leaders though.

 

[Groundfish]

Would of been interesting to see where you would of been without the slip up at Murray's, after that it was pretty much screwed for sure.

True, but had that idiot not swerve blocked me that pack never would have been involved in my race, or if that guy hadn’t of crashed then had to block me, same thing...
I would have been clear of them 3-5 seconds at least...
I really got bent over in that one...

 

[Timm Sheehan]

I think I popped in on one stream where it looked like he was pitting every lap. (I turned it off.) Which is even worse, now you have a fast driver trying to entertain himself doing stupid 🤬 because he's in slower lobby.

I think that both speaks to his maturity level, the need for content creators to always come up with something "different" and what happens when something fun becomes a grind. It ruins the experience for many people.

I found it quite disrespectful that he pit every lap and still finished 7th. It is very obvious he didn't belong in that lobby. Penalties are a problem but these resets are also bad for lower rated drivers morale. How are we (that is us lower rated racers) to improve our rating if when we race in the daily races some of our "competition" are reset racers racing well below their skill level? That doesn't seem fair at all.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Thanks. Been working on the Forrest's Elbow exit. I have noted the top GT-R lappers accelerate in 3rd gear instead of 2nd. Like you said, they appear to start the acceleration before rounding the corner. I can't get it to work. It is leading to understeer which suggests that it is working a little too well and now I need to adjust the timing.

Otherwise, it has been a very interesting week at Bathurst as Gr 3 is a weakness for me. QT is 2:01.1 and a good race time is less than 19:00. It allows me to run semi-competitively in the lower part of the A lobbies and can avoid DFL. In those races I am 2+ seconds/lap behind the leaders though.

I'm normally in 2nd for forest but take Hell's in 3rd, using vantage. Don't talk about GT-Rs though, I know most are OK just if I meet a blocker he's normally in a GT-R.

 

[NSP525]

Wow just checked the leaderboard for race C in NA and the supra has topped the charts over the vette now, thought I could feel the magic in this thing all week.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Wow just checked the leaderboard for race C in NA and the supra has topped the charts over the vette now, thought I could feel the magic in this thing all week.

Yeah I just don't get it, tried the Supra near the start and then again when I was getting goo....better and I couldn't make it work at all. A good 2 secs down on the Vette which is slower than the Vantage (car of choice) and the F-type (current QT, but find it dodgy for races)

 

[Timm Sheehan]

I ran a few "B" daily races after the Mustang Mountain Trophy race and had very good results (for me).

 

[NSP525]

Yeah I just don't get it, tried the Supra near the start and then again when I was getting goo....better and I couldn't make it work at all. A good 2 secs down on the Vette which is slower than the Vantage (car of choice) and the F-type (current QT, but find it dodgy for races)

It's definitely more squirmy than the vette on accel and braking but I find it nimble over the top and I can carry a few more mph through most bends than with the vette. I have a similar laptime in both but the supra feels like it has more potential pace I don't have the skill to extract, same with the vette but the supra has hardly any of the understeer over the mountain that some of the bigger V8s do, definitely pros and cons to both.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Watching streamers moan about slower traffic is not entertaining content in the least. Was watching Z28 yesterday and he was running from the back in top split but being very respectful. He was letting chat pick his strats and engaging with them in meaningful ways rather than complaining of being held up all race. He must run some @Groundfish levels of FFB because by the end of the race you could tell he was working, was entertaining to watch and his driving is clean and fast.

Starting from the back is fine if the field is evenly matched, if the pace difference is say 2 seconds from quickest to slowest you can get a good race and make positions through good racecraft. When it is 10 or 20 seconds its no longer racing, it's avoiding people.

I found it quite disrespectful that he pit every lap and still finished 7th. It is very obvious he didn't belong in that lobby. Penalties are a problem but these resets are also bad for lower rated drivers morale. How are we (that is us lower rated racers) to improve our rating if when we race in the daily races some of our "competition" are reset racers racing well below their skill level? That doesn't seem fair at all.

That is a problem with the penalty system, it's way of punishing dirty players is to ruin the races of lower DR players. I've been A+ before and put in with a room of all DR D because my SR has been below 90. If the fast player drives full speed nobody finishes the race, it's a bad situation for everybody aside from those farming wins.

btw Beardo's GT4 series starts in 10 minutes, I think there is room for a reserve and you're top of the list 👍

 

[Redneckchef]

Had a frustrating night the other night when I decided I wanted to grab a lap under my K' time. I was only a couple tenths off and hadn't really pushed on that lap so thought it would be a quick few laps.

The mountain said no.
Consistently was way faster than I needed to be everywhere through the lap except from the cutting to the dipper. I seemed to slap a wall somewhere in there nearly every single lap. Finally got a 2:01.0 to get under, but my optimum is still almost a full second under that.

I also found out while driving both the Mustang and the Vette that if I hit the proper brake marker and turn in at Forrest Elbow then I can gas it pretty much as I get next to the inside wall, waaay before you can see exit. Used that to really run a few people down all week.

Bathurst still proving a real challenge as always.👍

 

[barak181]

I need to take a moment here at the end of the week to talk about my relationship with Bathurst. I've been very upfront about the fact that I seriously suck at this track; to the point that I've spent the better part of a year avoiding it whenever it came up. When it came up again in the last FIA exhibition season, I buckled down and put in the work to improve from terrible at this track to merely bad at this track. I felt like I had accomplished that.

I started this week with the intent of improving from merely bad at this track to mediocre at this track. I felt like I was well on my way to that goal this week, then something weird happened. The track became fun.

By that point I had already improved my QT from 2:06.x at the start of the week to something like 2:04.4xx by Thu. I wasn't able to race Fri due to work stuff but started in again over the weekend and the time started to come down little by little. My K speed goal for this race is 2:02.2xx and I thought I wouldn't get anywhere near it. By the time I was done this afternoon my QT is now 2:02.9.xx. I was ecstatic when I got into the 2:03's, I never thought I'd actually break into the 2:02's.

I guess my point, aside from bragging, is to be diligent and put in the work. The improvement will come and it's gratifying when it does.

 

[sturk0167]

Starting from the back is fine if the field is evenly matched, if the pace difference is say 2 seconds from quickest to slowest you can get a good race and make positions through good racecraft. When it is 10 or 20 seconds its no longer racing, it's avoiding people.

Yeah, and sometimes it's PDs fault. I've done only no-qual A races this week.
After some dumb penalties, my rating dropped to A/A. In the next race, all 11 of my opponents were rated D/S.
I had no interest, whatsoever, in being in that group, but the game put me there.
And, you're right. All I did to win was drive at a medium pace, and avoid people who were doing crazy things.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Gee the ballast idea has merit. I swear some people lke to get knocked down from S so they can win a few races. It is no fun to be reset, for anybody, I often qualify first and disappear off into the distance and I am just a high B driver, imagine the A+ guys.

 

[NSP525]

Just lost by 3 tenths at Bathurst to DSRT Oliver, I'm not even mad. Bumper to bumper all race back and forth.

 

[05XR8]

Don't think I'll bother with A & C. Just want some quick races. Race B will deliver.

 

[Groundfish]

To me, after going full revenge twice lately...

It’s effectively more than a half hour ban. It took me I think fifteen or sixteen straight races before the game would match me with anyone at my level. Those were C races.
I won’t be doing that again anytime soon!
I’m switching from Cobra Kai back to my roots in Myagi do karate...
The SR reset is a huge punishment.
It took absolutely ridiculously horrid intentional behavior on my part to get it though. It’s be impossible for a sane in control driver to get that unintentionally.
It’s a deterrent.
You gotta have a consequence, definitely.