"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Norrin Radd]

So a question about DR, if you make places in a race but don't win and keep in clean SR wise should that be a positive or negative impact on DR.

As mentioned I am starting at the back and generally finish higher up the grid even in the worst of my races I finish up the grid However, my DR seems to be on a downward trajectory no matter what I do. Does it matter how many places before it's a positive or is it as long as you finish higher.

I am just really confused as to why my DR is intent on diving back to the depths.

If your B and above your door number is your rank, beat that and you should go up, worse go down. Basically your in a zero point game and the points are split depending on how you do COMPARED to the rest. If your DR A and end up in a room all DR B then you won't get many points for a win and probably lose points even coming 2nd. Conversely if your C in a room of As you'll get good points even coming 15th. Hope that makes sense, but as above beat half and you should be good.

What is it with this constant disconnects? Can they get the guy at PD to feed the meter???

 

[O604]

Tried Race C. Quit on T3.

I really wanted more Monza experience this week. But I don't I want to spend 10 laps behind all the troublemakers. Did that too many times already. They get penalties, you pass, they get pissed you passed..... repeat.

And I'm sorry but ban anyone with a R4M_ alt account. What a dumb meme. Was this only allowed because an influencer started it? Who encourages random people to go out and serve their own justice? That's crazy.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Tried Race C. Quit on T3.

I really wanted more Monza experience this week. But I don't I want to spend 10 laps behind all the troublemakers. Did that too many times already. They get penalties, you pass, they get pissed you passed..... repeat.

And I'm sorry but ban anyone with a R4M_ alt account. What a dumb meme. Was this only allowed because an influencer started it? Who encourages random people to go out and serve their own justice? That's crazy.

I have seen the odd one who seems to play fair, but most of them are just trouble and I try never to give one a chance of ruining my game. If I see they're bad, I go for them even if they did nothing to me.

 

[NoStopN]

Thank you, but please don’t let me diminish the pride in your first podium. If anything my post illustrates what a hopeless addict I am that I binge races and post on this forum to cope with stress.

I really wanted to say something about playing the game during the few hours that you had power, but I really didn't want to be that guy.

@Sven Jurgens explained it in detail in the past, but that is the simple answer. You get DR from people you beat, and loose it to people that beat you. You gain more from a higher DR driver you beat, and less from a lower DR driver. I've raced from the back as a mid-high B rated driver, and lost DR with a top 5 finish because the room was full of C and D drivers, sooo...

I don't think I gained many points from outracing Super GT the other day. But that account went up, so I can't be anything but happy.

And I'm sorry but ban anyone with a R4M_ alt account. What a dumb meme. Was this only allowed because an influencer started it? Who encourages random people to go out and serve their own justice? That's crazy.

I think the short answer is yes, everyone did it because 1 influencer did it. The sad part is, over a year later, many who have one of those accounts now drives them like a normal account that they want to increase DR. So, some simply slap a target on the backs of anyone using an R4M account. I've seen plenty of dirty drivers not using an R4M & plenty of R4M accounts that drive clean. The premise behind it is now gone. Even the influencer I saw use it first drove clean a couple of days ago.

 

[BalsBrother]

I know there is a more convoluted answer to this but I find that, generally, you need to finish top half to gain DR.

You need to beat people with a higher DR rating than yours.
The best case scenario is to have the lowest DR in the race. If you are C, and you beat some Bs and As, you'll gain points.
But if everyone else is D, you better beat em all.

@Sven Jurgens explained it in detail in the past, but that is the simple answer. You get DR from people you beat, and loose it to people that beat you. You gain more from a higher DR driver you beat, and less from a lower DR driver. I've raced from the back as a mid-high B rated driver, and lost DR with a top 5 finish because the room was full of C and D drivers, sooo...

I had some really great races in Suzuka last week no wins but up there so much so that on the last Sunday I was DR: B for the first time. Then Monza happened and yes I had a road rage earlier in the week so expected SR loss and some DR down to C.

Now I am DR: D again and if I understand at this point I need to be winning to even get even a smidge of positive DR, this feels like a kick in the balls after I seem to have made a lot of progress.

Sigh well screw it I started racing to have fun I can still do that and if I can keep my SR 99 even better. DR can do one

 

[Dave_H_87]

I had some really great races in Suzuka last week no wins but up there so much so that on the last Sunday I was DR: B for the first time. Then Monza happened and yes I had a road rage earlier in the week so expected SR loss and some DR down to C.

Now I am DR: D again and if I understand at this point I need to be winning to even get even a smidge of positive DR, this feels like a kick in the balls after I seem to have made a lot of progress.

Sigh well screw it I started racing to have fun I can still do that and if I can keep my SR 99 even better. DR can do one

FYI you can check your DR on the excellent Kudos Prime website, it updates immediately after every race so you can keep an eye on it to learn roughly how DR works

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

So a question about DR, if you make places in a race but don't win and keep in clean SR wise should that be a positive or negative impact on DR.

As mentioned I am starting at the back and generally finish higher up the grid even in the worst of my races I finish up the grid However, my DR seems to be on a downward trajectory no matter what I do. Does it matter how many places before it's a positive or is it as long as you finish higher.

I am just really confused as to why my DR is intent on diving back to the depths.

I posted this on Reddit before as I spent a lot of time working it out.

How DR is Gained or Lost

Just starting out let me smash the myth that the door number is where you are expected to finish to gain DR if above or lose if below. This is totally incorrect.

Take a race with a 20-car grid, daily race C or FIA races. To gain DR you need to finish in the top half of the field between 1st & 10th finish between 11th & 20th you lose DR points. It is on a sliding scale with 1st gaining the most and 10th staying as they were and 11th staying were, they started and then losing more the further you finish back in the pack. With a smaller grid just divide the field in half and apply the same. You will gain and lose more points in the FIA & Race C races.

The biggest way to lost points is to quit a race, once you see the “online save” in the bottom right as warmup finishes you are locked in and if you quit you lost DR without turning a wheel. I’m not sure how much extra DR you lose if you quit with a penalty as I don’t tend to quit, I have parked in the pit a few times when I just gave up and still finished losing less DR.

 

[absbrain]

1. Do you guys tune cars like brakes bias and traction control specifically for the qualifying and then change another settings for the race?
2. Is it necessary to use mechanical gears in order to achieve fast lap times?
3. I like Monza this week, but i never won on that track (in total I have over 10 wins). Which car I should use if I like in general "nice turning" cars rather than speedy and early braking? The penalty issues this week is not really friendly, so I believe to qualify high would be one of the main advantages and avoid other players as much as possible...

/Cheers

1. Generally I use the same setup in qualy and race. But there's some logic behind TC changing in race and qualy. TC 0 is faster if you can handle it, but for me in a carnage that is Monza T1 and T2, TC helps to keep the car on track, so generally I always race with TC 1 or 2 in a race where there's a possibility of close racing and contact. You can manage TC per corner. On long fast corners like Parabolica or Curva Grande you should disable TC.
2. Generally speaking it is faster to use manual gearbox, especially in breaking. I haven't raced with AT in a very long time, but there are people who do.
3. Try GT-R at Monza. Great breaking, decent top speed and easy to drive. Corvette is probably the fastest but I don't like american cars...

 

[NevilleNobody]

More and more in qualy I am playing with TC to suit. TC2 into T1 Monza then TC1 entering the last fast chicane (Retefillio?) and TC0 through Parabolica. In a race I am TC2.

 

[sturk0167]

if I understand at this point I need to be winning to even get even a smidge of positive DR

Not true. Just beat the other DR Ds. 👍

 

[BalsBrother]

FYI you can check your DR on the excellent Kudos Prime website, it updates immediately after every race so you can keep an eye on it to learn roughly how DR works

Yeah my DR looks like a stock market crash right now on there

 

[ASH32]

Out of the cars I have tried for Race C, so far I've got.

Chevrolet Corvette (no good with auto gears though)
Aston Martin Vantage
Jaguar F-Type

As the top cars.

Aston Martin DBR9
Ford Mustang

These come next only a little down.

Nissan GT-R
McLaren F1

Then these two are funny, technically top cars pace wise but I can't just jump in and drive them quick, others will be able to.

Ford GT (Faster over one lap than these but tyres an issue)
Dodge Viper (Should be better, couldn't find a brake setting that felt right)
Lexus RC F 17
Porsche 911 RSR
Toyota Supra (could be better than this actually)
Toyota FT-1 VGT
Mercedes AMG 16
Volkswagen Beetle (just about usable)

Ok cars, use if you want a little challenge or just enjoy them.

Subaru WRX (Slow, handles very good though but not in traffic, an issue)
BMW M3 (because of handling unlike the others here)
Peugeot RCZ
Mazda RX Vision
Honda NSX
Alfa 4C

All too slow so I recommend not using them but of course it's up to you.

Now what to test when I'm next on?

 

[NoStopN]

I get the feeling that I'm one of the few that drives the Viper (even though I haven't touched Gr. 3 this week).

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The old DR door number mystery

Door number is bugged, reverse alphanumeric sort on DR, where 1 comes before 100,000, 8,000 before 40,000.
Only when everyone in the room is at least DR.B (10,000 DR and up) it will work. (Bar the ultra rare A+ with 100,000 DR)
Work in the sense that the one with the lowest door number has the highest DR in the room, still doesn't tell you one bit whether you'll gain or lose DR finishing ahead, at or behind your door number.

Your finishing position is the only thing that counts for earning/losing DR.

Your take 80 + ( (their DR - your DR) / 500) points from every player you finish ahead of (including DNF players)
You give 80 + ( (your DR - their DR) / 500) points to every player that finishes ahead of you (DC or quit, give points to all that stayed)
(limited to 1-160 range per player)

Thus if you have lower DR than a player you finish ahead of, you get more than 80 points. But if you have higher DR than a player that beats you, you lose more than 80 points.

If everyone starts with the same DR, you gain DR by finishing in the top half.

If you're DR.1 and the rest 40,000+, you gain 160 points per player beat, only lose 1 point per player that beats you. So you gain DR by finishing one position ahead of last. Just one DNF will gain you points.
If you're A+ ending up in a room of DR.D, you need to win not to lose any points. If you get DC'd you lose 160 points for every player that did not DC.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Well I bagged my 3rd win of the week at Monza and another faster lap. Q6, but in 2nd after punt fest chicane. Vantage in front me close in the DBR9 and the rest falling back so didn't push lead too much as just wanted to get away. Pit L4 onto meds and come out just in 3rd. Catch 2nd by end of lap and made 1 sec on 1st, they both pit and 1st is on meds too and just gets the lead. Well I think I'm in for a good race, muck up Ascari 0.5, but pass him coming to 1st chicane. I know he'll get passed at the PZ, but no he cut the 2nd chicane and only gets 0.5 (what a joke) I detest dirty drivers so I edge him out at Parabolica (no contact just good driving) he falls back and is now fighting for 2nd. I just had to keep it clean. Disappointing it would have been nice to just see who could drive best/consistent rather than who could play the game better.

 

[TurboJulle]

1. Generally I use the same setup in qualy and race. But there's some logic behind TC changing in race and qualy. TC 0 is faster if you can handle it, but for me in a carnage that is Monza T1 and T2, TC helps to keep the car on track, so generally I always race with TC 1 or 2 in a race where there's a possibility of close racing and contact. You can manage TC per corner. On long fast corners like Parabolica or Curva Grande you should disable TC.
2. Generally speaking it is faster to use manual gearbox, especially in breaking. I haven't raced with AT in a very long time, but there are people who do.
3. Try GT-R at Monza. Great breaking, decent top speed and easy to drive. Corvette is probably the fastest but I don't like american cars...

Thanks for the good information!!! I got the first victory at Monza. I tried all day Renault Sport RS01 (handles beautifully) and Corvette. Neither of these cars I could get under 1:50. Nissan GTR did it... )

I didn't know, that it is possible to change settings while driving. I drived TC2 and -1 on brakes bias.

Thanks for the good information!!! I got the first victory at Monza. I tried all day Renault Sport RS01 (handles beautifully) and Corvette. Neither of these cars I could get under 1:50. Nissan GTR did it... )

I didn't know, that it is possible to change settings while driving. I drived TC2 and -1 on brakes bias.

sorry for cellphone foto... I don't know how to make a screenshot on PS4.

Out of the cars I have tried for Race C, so far I've got.

Chevrolet Corvette (no good with auto gears though)
Aston Martin Vantage
Jaguar F-Type

As the top cars.

Aston Martin DBR9
Ford Mustang

These come next only a little down.

Nissan GT-R
McLaren F1

Then these two are funny, technically top cars pace wise but I can't just jump in and drive them quick, others will be able to.

Lexus RC F 17
Toyota FT-1 VGT
Mercedes AMG 16

Ok cars, use if you want a little challenge or just enjoy them.

Peugeot RCZ
Mazda RX Vision
Honda NSX
Alfa 4C

All too slow so I recommend not using them but of course it's up to you.

Now what to test when I'm next on, BMW M3 maybe but what else?

Renault Sport RS01 is really fun for me. You loose on straits, but it handles nice and it is possible to be late on brakes, which means, that all McLaren F1 takes over on the straits, but you can stay with Renault inside the turn and brake late. Nice racing )

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Hi guys,
I'm new here, but I have been playing GT from the first edition when it came out at 1998?. At the moment I reached level 42 (C or B / B or d) and playing occasionally, not every week. Sometimes several days in a row and then nothing for some weeks. All my career playing GT is based on hand controller and I usually set the best laps using it even today, but it use to be less consistent. For a half year ago I got a Playseat with Thrustmaster 300T, but I still struggling to achieve good lap times in comparison with top10. I'm around 2-3 seconds behind, always. My questions is:
1. Do you guys tune cars like brakes bias and traction control specifically for the qualifying and then change another settings for the race?
2. Is it necessary to use mechanical gears in order to achieve fast lap times?
3. I like Monza this week, but i never won on that track (in total I have over 10 wins). Which car I should use if I like in general "nice turning" cars rather than speedy and early braking? The penalty issues this week is not really friendly, so I believe to qualify high would be one of the main advantages and avoid other players as much as possible...

/Cheers

Welcome to the best planet! And to try and answer some of your questions: what is your DR? Generally speaking being two seconds behind the top is not that bad.
Setting brake bias differently between qualifying and racing is not a bad idea, there is no tire wear or fuel weight in A, so on the Corvette this week I run +1BB while I run 0BB in the Ford GT and -1 on mediums in the McLaren 659s but -2 on hards.

Manual gear is necessary to get the most speed out if some of the cars, like the Corvette and the Viper Gr3.

BB to the rear makes the car rotate easier, but trail braking can be just as effective.
Good luck!

 

[Famine]

sorry for cellphone foto... I don't know how to make a screenshot on PS4.

Hold down the Share button until you hear the camera shutter noise.

I posted this on Reddit before as I spent a lot of time working it out.

How DR is Gained or Lost

Just starting out let me smash the myth that the door number is where you are expected to finish to gain DR if above or lose if below. This is totally incorrect.

Take a race with a 20-car grid, daily race C or FIA races. To gain DR you need to finish in the top half of the field between 1st & 10th finish between 11th & 20th you lose DR points. It is on a sliding scale with 1st gaining the most and 10th staying as they were and 11th staying were, they started and then losing more the further you finish back in the pack. With a smaller grid just divide the field in half and apply the same. You will gain and lose more points in the FIA & Race C races.

The biggest way to lost points is to quit a race, once you see the “online save” in the bottom right as warmup finishes you are locked in and if you quit you lost DR without turning a wheel. I’m not sure how much extra DR you lose if you quit with a penalty as I don’t tend to quit, I have parked in the pit a few times when I just gave up and still finished losing less DR.

The door number thing is no more "totally incorrect" than what you posted about DR is totally correct. It depends on... many things, and what you say is imprecise.


Generally speaking, if you're DR B or above, your door number is your rank in the lobby. It doesn't work with maxed out A+ drivers, or lobbies with mixed DR D/C drivers because it's sorted in what's known as reverse alphabetical sorting; all numbers with the highest first digit (9) are ranked above all numbers with the second highest first digit (8), and so on down to the lowest first digit (1). That means a DR D driver with a rating of 9 will have a lower door number than a DR A+ driver with a rating of 100,000; although this is incredibly unlikely to happen, it shows why it works perfectly in a range of 10,000-99,999, and is all over the place in a range of 1-9,999.

It shouldn't be taken as an indication of "where you're expected to finish", but where all drivers are DR B or above it very much is your ranking and suggests who you need to beat: people with lower door numbers than you.


Your ranking is important because it clues you into the DR score of other drivers, and that drives the points scoring, along with finishing position. In essence you gain some points from everyone you beat and you lose some to everyone who beats you. That broadly means that if you finish top half you gain from more people than you lose to but it depends on the difference between your DR and the other driver.

For every driver you finish ahead of, you gain 80 DR plus ((their DR - your DR)/500).
For every driver you finish behind, you lose 80 DR plus ((your DR - their DR)/500).

Now that might mean that if you have a DR of 40,000 and beat 14 drivers whose DR is 1 you might gain almost nothing from them, and if the one guy ahead of you also have a DR of 1 you'd lose 160 points to him. That's a net DR loss of 146 points from finishing second. On the flip side, if your DR is 1 and everyone else's is 40,000, you'd gain 146 points for finishing second last.

It's also not cast-iron fact that you gain/lose more in FIA or Race C; you might, simply because there's more drivers to finish ahead of (or behind), but there's no points multiplier for these races. You still gain and lose at the same rate.


Ultimately what you need to do to gain DR is beat as many people as you can who are higher rated than you, while losing to as few people as you can who are lower rated than you. Losing to people who are higher rated doesn't have as much effect, nor does beating people who are lower rated. And, so long as your DR and that of everyone else in the lobby is above 10k, the door number clues you into who those people are.

Finishing top half is definitely a good place to start, but absolutely not a guarantee.

 

[Pigems]

So a question about DR, if you make places in a race but don't win and keep in clean SR wise should that be a positive or negative impact on DR.

As mentioned I am starting at the back and generally finish higher up the grid even in the worst of my races I finish up the grid However, my DR seems to be on a downward trajectory no matter what I do. Does it matter how many places before it's a positive or is it as long as you finish higher.

I am just really confused as to why my DR is intent on diving back to the depths.

@Sven Jurgens Beat me too it, I’ve got these quotes saved now just in case someone ever asks.

There is a thread somewhere with all the details @Famine knows.

A quick explanation.

Door numbers mean little when you or other in the room are below DR.B (below 10,000 DR)
Door number is your DR reverse sorted alphabetically, 9 gets door number one, 8,000 comes after 900, etc.

The formula for DR is

You gain 80 points from each driver you finish ahead of, adjusted for the difference in your DR vs the other driver's DR

80 + (DR difference / 500) for each driver.

If your DR is higher you get less points (minimum 1)
If your DR is lower you get more points (maximum 160)

It's a zero sum exchange, so in reverse you give 80 points to each driver you finish behind.
(You can't end up below 1 yet still give out the points you owe, technically not zero sum, point inflation happens at the bottom)
Disconnecting counts as finishing last (you still give points to those who do stay connected until the end)

To get off the ground, you'll need to finish about half way up. It depends on the room though and who you beat. If you get matched with an A/S driver who crashes or disconnect, you'll get 160 points from that driver alone.

SR is a tricky subject especially now penalties have harsh SR deductions while still being assigned wrong far more often than not.
SR is the first factor in matchmaking and is the reason why the competition often seems completely unfair.

Any SR Down (penalty or not), getting the orange SR Down arrow for contact with another car deducts 10 SR.
Race A and B usually only give out 4 to 6 SR for a clean race, Race C nowadays is worth around 12 points per race.
This combined with penalties being assigned wrongly most of the time, does not guarantee any better racing at SR.S than at SR.C :/

In my experience, racing as DR.B SR.C is much better nowadays than at DR.A SR.S, sad but it's been like that for a couple months now.
Time of day, whether you do Race A/B or C make a big difference in where your SR goes, it has little left to do with sportmanship or driving by generally accepted racing rules. https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

Matchmaking works by collecting all entries between 90 and 99 SR, sort on DR, create rooms.
Then collect all entries between 80 and 89 SR, sort on DR, add the highest DR to the left over spots in the last room created and continue.

This results in for example getting rooms like
1. A+/S90+ to B/S90+
2. B/S90+ to D/S90+
3. A+/S80+ with D/S90+ (the last D/S90+ room had spots left over which get filled with the highest DR in 80-89 range creating a A+ with D room)
4. A/S80+ to C/S80+
5. A/S70+ with C/S80+ to D/S80+ (the last 80-89 SR room had spots left over which get filled by the highest DR in 70-79 range)
etc

Matchmaking only really works in the 90 to 99 SR room, the rest all easily get messed up due to how the server fills up rooms.
Still when there aren't that many entries the top room is usually A+/S90+ to D/S90+, you don't stand a chance.

SR.B is the largest group, which makes the competition the closest. Most people to choose from to make evenly matched rooms. That is, if it weren't for DR resets and alt accounts coming through. (people that are labeled DR.B but drive like DR.A or A+)

Closer matched in pace also means more chance at contact and bad penalties, hence SR.B is such a difficult place to advance from.


Head spinning yet?

Don't worry too much about SR, D/S is the most demotivating place to be, usually getting matched with rabbits that are impossible to catch leading to getting timed out before the finish. D/S is only good for maintaining SR.99 since the field spreads out so quickly reducing chance of contact.

The old DR door number mystery

Door number is bugged, reverse alphanumeric sort on DR, where 1 comes before 100,000, 8,000 before 40,000.
Only when everyone in the room is at least DR.B (10,000 DR and up) it will work. (Bar the ultra rare A+ with 100,000 DR)
Work in the sense that the one with the lowest door number has the highest DR in the room, still doesn't tell you one bit whether you'll gain or lose DR finishing ahead, at or behind your door number.

Your finishing position is the only thing that counts for earning/losing DR.

Your take 80 + ( (their DR - your DR) / 500) points from every player you finish ahead of (including DNF players)
You give 80 + ( (your DR - their DR) / 500) points to every player that finishes ahead of you (DC or quit, give points to all that stayed)
(limited to 1-160 range per player)

Thus if you have lower DR than a player you finish ahead of, you get more than 80 points. But if you have higher DR than a player that beats you, you lose more than 80 points.

If everyone starts with the same DR, you gain DR by finishing in the top half.

If you're DR.1 and the rest 40,000+, you gain 160 points per player beat, only lose 1 point per player that beats you. So you gain DR by finishing one position ahead of last. Just one DNF will gain you points.
If you're A+ ending up in a room of DR.D, you need to win not to lose any points. If you get DC'd you lose 160 points for every player that did not DC.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Renault Sport RS01 is really fun for me.

If you like the MR cars you should try to run with TCS 0. It's so much easier to feel what the car is doing and if it slides it does so in a controllable manner so you can catch it.
I myself love the MR cars in qualify but are not good with them when the tires start to wear.
Fun cars the same type as the RSO1 is Lamborghini, McLaren F1 and 650S, Ford GT and Honda NSX. The NSX lacks a little top speed.
I have been driving since Xmas -18 and only now did I turn off TCS.

 

[Little_Guppy]

So a question about DR, if you make places in a race but don't win and keep in clean SR wise should that be a positive or negative impact on DR.

As mentioned I am starting at the back and generally finish higher up the grid even in the worst of my races I finish up the grid However, my DR seems to be on a downward trajectory no matter what I do. Does it matter how many places before it's a positive or is it as long as you finish higher.

I am just really confused as to why my DR is intent on diving back to the depths.

You have already got some answers. It is *ALWAYS* better to finish a position higher in a given race. You cannot compare two different races since the formula considers the DR level of every other driver.

Roughly, for similarly rated drivers, if you finish higher than Bob then Bob transfers 80 points to you.

Don't confuse this with DR resets. That is, if you tank your SR then your DR will will be reset down to 40,000, 15,000, 7,000, or 3000 depending on your situation irrespective of the your finish in the current race.

To get a better DR:

• Don't start from the back as you need to finish higher in each race. To finish higher you need to qualify.
• Don't take penalties leading to a poor SR then a DR reset.

Good Luck!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The only sure way to gain DR is to win the race! Get to it!

Actually there still have been reports of people losing DR after winning the race . (And not by DC too soon after crossing the line, since that will certainly lose you points. DNF, despite crossing the line first, pay out to everyone else)

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Hold down the Share button until you hear the camera shutter noise.

The door number thing is no more "totally incorrect" than what you posted about DR is totally correct. It depends on... many things, and what you say is imprecise.


Generally speaking, if you're DR B or above, your door number is your rank in the lobby. It doesn't work with maxed out A+ drivers, or lobbies with mixed DR D/C drivers because it's sorted in what's known as reverse alphabetical sorting; all numbers with the highest first digit (9) are ranked above all numbers with the second highest first digit (8), and so on down to the lowest first digit (1). That means a DR D driver with a rating of 9 will have a lower door number than a DR A+ driver with a rating of 100,000; although this is incredibly unlikely to happen, it shows why it works perfectly in a range of 10,000-99,999, and is all over the place in a range of 1-9,999.

It shouldn't be taken as an indication of "where you're expected to finish", but where all drivers are DR B or above it very much is your ranking and suggests who you need to beat: people with lower door numbers than you.


Your ranking is important because it clues you into the DR score of other drivers, and that drives the points scoring, along with finishing position. In essence you gain some points from everyone you beat and you lose some to everyone who beats you. That broadly means that if you finish top half you gain from more people than you lose to but it depends on the difference between your DR and the other driver.

For every driver you finish ahead of, you gain 80 DR plus ((their DR - your DR)/500).
For every driver you finish behind, you lose 80 DR plus ((your DR - their DR)/500).

Now that might mean that if you have a DR of 40,000 and beat 14 drivers whose DR is 1 you might gain almost nothing from them, and if the one guy ahead of you also have a DR of 1 you'd lose 160 points to him. That's a net DR loss of 146 points from finishing second. On the flip side, if your DR is 1 and everyone else's is 40,000, you'd gain 146 points for finishing second last.

It's also not cast-iron fact that you gain/lose more in FIA or Race C; you might, simply because there's more drivers to finish ahead of (or behind), but there's no points multiplier for these races. You still gain and lose at the same rate.


Ultimately what you need to do to gain DR is beat as many people as you can who are higher rated than you, while losing to as few people as you can who are lower rated than you. Losing to people who are higher rated doesn't have as much effect, nor does beating people who are lower rated. And, so long as your DR and that of everyone else in the lobby is above 10k, the door number clues you into who those people are.

Finishing top half is definitely a good place to start, but absolutely not a guarantee.

Ah thank for that about the door number connection to your ranking, makes sence now when you nearly moving up from say D to C that you get paired with closer but faster times ahead of you, wondered why sometimes I would have a low number at the back of the grid. Seen grids with 18 & 17 on front row and al the low numbers near the back. I know if you have a quick qualifying time you do still end up further up on the grid.really helpful information so thanks again.

 

[sturk0167]

@Sven Jurgens I sure would like to see some replays of you blasting people off of the Monza track.
Can you do just one, for old times sake?

 

[Pigems]

@Sven Jurgens I sure would like to see some replays of you blasting people off of the Monza track.
Can you do just one, for old times sake?

I second this motion.

 

[Little_Guppy]

@Sven Jurgens I sure would like to see some replays of you blasting people off of the Monza track.
Can you do just one, for old times sake?

But, but... I was trying to explain to folks that it was *BAD* to lose SR... y'know the whole try-to-be-good thing....
<subliminal> Can I see the videos too?</subliminal>

 

[sturk0167]

Got it.
But you know, the whole eye for an eye thing. When Sven shows up, people get crazy.

 

[BenRod]

MCA and sTurk... Thanks, guys

 

[Barney Da Dog]

Well that was a contrasting trio of races... Won a Race C (first ever Monza win) in the Viper at B/S.. Then started 6th in the next one - 7 seconds of penalties by T2. Coming out of the pits after my stop and I'm hit flat out from behind while still in the pit lane - another 4 second penalty, and I finish 15th.

Tried Race B, torpedoed twice, penalties twice - I pulled right over to the right to take the penalties and still got hit again. Ended up C/B. SR went from 99 to 43. One more race then off to bed.. Blah

 

[Redneckchef]

The penalty system shows 100pct why it is broken at Monza. Entered at 99 SR starting p4 with a known reckless guy p6. At turn 1 he simply blasts p5 out of the way and just barely misses me. No penalty. 2nd chicane the car in front spins on the sausage and just clips me, I get 4 seconds. After serving that I get slammed from behind by a lower DR driver who gambled on my ghost and lost (I was off the racing line) and I get the 2 seconds. To add to that it pushed me into the car in front (also lower DR) and so I get another 2 seconds for that. 8 seconds of penalties by Ascari lap 1 and all the mistakes I have made are a slight wiggle on exit of the first chicane.

The drivers plowing people off are getting next to nothing for massive rams but slight taps are getting the hammer.

Despite that I did end up with 2 pretty solid races that had good side by side clean racing in them. But my SR went from 99 to 62 (I did earn a solid 2 penalties for mistakes that were rightly punished). They just dont seem to want to encourage racing with the way this thing works, and if they don't get rid of the low DR penalty armor it is going to continue to drive people away.

I'm still having fun most of the time but sometimes the game itself makes you wonder.

Cant wait to see what's the car for A and what the C combo is