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The door number thing is no more "totally incorrect" than what you posted about DR is totally correct. It depends on... many things, and what you say is imprecise.


Generally speaking, if you're DR B or above, your door number is your rank in the lobby. It doesn't work with maxed out A+ drivers, or lobbies with mixed DR D/C drivers because it's sorted in what's known as reverse alphabetical sorting; all numbers with the highest first digit (9) are ranked above all numbers with the second highest first digit (8), and so on down to the lowest first digit (1). That means a DR D driver with a rating of 9 will have a lower door number than a DR A+ driver with a rating of 100,000; although this is incredibly unlikely to happen, it shows why it works perfectly in a range of 10,000-99,999, and is all over the place in a range of 1-9,999.

It shouldn't be taken as an indication of "where you're expected to finish", but where all drivers are DR B or above it very much is your ranking and suggests who you need to beat: people with lower door numbers than you.


Your ranking is important because it clues you into the DR score of other drivers, and that drives the points scoring, along with finishing position. In essence you gain some points from everyone you beat and you lose some to everyone who beats you. That broadly means that if you finish top half you gain from more people than you lose to but it depends on the difference between your DR and the other driver.

For every driver you finish ahead of, you gain 80 DR plus ((their DR - your DR)/500).
For every driver you finish behind, you lose 80 DR plus ((your DR - their DR)/500).

Now that might mean that if you have a DR of 40,000 and beat 14 drivers whose DR is 1 you might gain almost nothing from them, and if the one guy ahead of you also have a DR of 1 you'd lose 160 points to him. That's a net DR loss of 146 points from finishing second. On the flip side, if your DR is 1 and everyone else's is 40,000, you'd gain 146 points for finishing second last.

It's also not cast-iron fact that you gain/lose more in FIA or Race C; you might, simply because there's more drivers to finish ahead of (or behind), but there's no points multiplier for these races. You still gain and lose at the same rate.


Ultimately what you need to do to gain DR is beat as many people as you can who are higher rated than you, while losing to as few people as you can who are lower rated than you. Losing to people who are higher rated doesn't have as much effect, nor does beating people who are lower rated. And, so long as your DR and that of everyone else in the lobby is above 10k, the door number clues you into who those people are.

Finishing top half is definitely a good place to start, but absolutely not a guarantee.


This is a great explanation. If anyone's interested in a deeper understanding, you can look up "Elo rating systems".

Maybe we should be calling anyone with a DR over 75k "Grandmaster"? :D
 
The drivers plowing people off are getting next to nothing for massive rams but slight taps are getting the hammer.

Nonsense. Earlier in the month I barely smudged the paint on someone's bumper, 2 seconds. Later in the race, I had to get physical with someone, guess what, 3 seconds. The penalty system is being equally fair. I get screwed over consistently. :lol:
 
Finally got my Q time down in the 1:48.7xx range and moved up in the grid. Had three good races. One started P7 and finished there, but good clean racing trading spots with 5 and 6. Very clean and hard fought, one of my favorites. Then got a top 4 from 9th, and a 3rd place podium from 8th.

Dare I dip my toe back in this week? Solidly in low Bs now with SR S. Probably just practice some of the FIA tracks I haven't driven, and try to get ready for @Pigems Saturday race.
 
This is a great explanation. If anyone's interested in a deeper understanding, you can look up "Elo rating systems".

Maybe we should be calling anyone with a DR over 75k "Grandmaster"? :D
The GTSport system is significantly different from ELO in how it calculates rating change, ELO uses your "expected score" with a fixed choice that a difference of 100 points means the higher rated player should win 64% of the time, 200 points means 75%, 500 points means 95% of the time, 800 points means 99% and so on. It's an asymptotic function 1/(1+10^(x/400)) where x is the rating difference.

The equivalent expectation function in GTSport is 1-(x + 40000 / 80000) which effectively means the game expects players to win head-to-head 1% more often for every 800 points higher rated they are than someone else, so the same %age breakpoints are at 11,200, 20,000, 36,000 and 39,200 points.

Shortcutting the math, basically the result is that, compared to a regular ELO system, you gain more points for beating someone lower rated and you gain less points for beating someone higher rated. GTSport is too nice to the aliens. ;)
 
Just got reset yet again, must be the 6th time in maybe 100 days. The system is absolutely broken.

I was on 68 points. Turn 1, monza, I get a run on a guy and I brake later than I should have, now i realise this and move to ensure I don't hit him. I would have easily made the corner but at the very last moment he went from middle/inside line to the outside. I tap him, he is ok, I cop 4 seconds.

Serving the penalty I go off the racing line but still get hit upon spawning. 2 seconds.

I pass a gtr I am much faster than, he decides to contest the next corner by using me as a brake and I cop 2 more seconds.

SR falls below B and because I am am A driver (by 500 points!!!) I get reset.

So stupid.
 
The GTSport system is significantly different from ELO in how it calculates rating change, ELO uses your "expected score" with a fixed choice that a difference of 100 points means the higher rated player should win 64% of the time, 200 points means 75%, 500 points means 95% of the time, 800 points means 99% and so on. It's an asymptotic function 1/(1+10^(x/400)) where x is the rating difference.

The equivalent expectation function in GTSport is 1-(x + 40000 / 80000) which effectively means the game expects players to win head-to-head 1% more often for every 800 points higher rated they are than someone else, so the same %age breakpoints are at 11,200, 20,000, 36,000 and 39,200 points.

Shortcutting the math, basically the result is that, compared to a regular ELO system, you gain more points for beating someone lower rated and you gain less points for beating someone higher rated. GTSport is too nice to the aliens. ;)
Nice analysis.

It also explains why for a low A or high B there is more to be gained by racing in an SR.(80-89)room compared to the SR.90-99. There are fewer A/A+ racers there. A podium with many points is achievable. In the top split you are more likely to be in the lower half and lose points. In a good gaming model that sort of discrepancy should not exist.
 
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I had a pair of races last night - one an absolute nightmare of a race, the next one an absolute gem.

First race I decided to go for the Corvette, seeing as everyone is harping on about how good it is in the race and after getting a pretty decent qualifying lap done in it (1:48:4XX). It turns out driving a Corvette in that B/S rated lobby basically made you a target - along with the other 15 Corvettes and 3 Aston Vantages... I went from 13 on the grid to 20th after tentatively working my way through Rettifilo and Rogia, but being corteous in this lobby just appeared to be a free ticket to any of the rear half of the pack to take you out! I got penalties for being rammed off track, smashing into the back of a pair of Corvettes when the guy in front us brake-checked the guy in front of me, side-swiped by a McLaren F1 off the track at Ascari, and found myself in 18th (of 18) on lap 9. I managed to get past the McLaren on the last lap, and then the idiot who had been brake-checking earlier, and took 16th on the line. Dropped my DR way down (but still B, just) and dropped me down to SR B!

Unhappy with my race, I decided to use the F-Type, and entered another race where I was Q9. I managed to get through the first lap unscathed and found myself in 6th after 2 laps. I was using the 3H/7M pit stop strategy and popped into the pits from 5th to 13th, and over the course of the next 3 laps watched all the pit stops push me back up to 5th, but importantly with a decent margin over 6th. I kept things clean in this race and even managed to get the FL on lap 7! A corvette who'd been running in 3rd lost if at Ascari on the 9th lap and I followed the Corvette in front of me round for the final lap and pulled off my best finish at Monza yet - 4th!!!

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After the two races above, I've now dropped to B/A (from B/S to B/B to B/A) but one more clean race and I will be back up to S.

I think the Jag works for me. Might be a contender for the FIA season...
 
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Here's some Monza Madness, it calmed down (for me) after these 3 laps . :)



It's from a few days ago. The Canadian account driver in the red+yellow vette ended up SR C after the race, they were the fastest driver in the room but clearly didn't fancy setting up proper overtaking opportunities. :ouch:


:gtplanet::cheers:
 
Well, encountered a legendary driver today, this one’s going in the recording bin! :lol:
Gonna be more of a ‘lowlights’ than a ‘highlights’ though, made a ton of stupid mistakes. :nervous:
Video should be up in a few days. Hopefully people see it and learn what NOT to do at Monza! :D
 
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The penalty system is ****ed. I just got two penalties in a race for doing nothing wrong. Cars hitting each other around me, none of them touch me, I don't touch them, and I somehow end up with a 2s penalty.

This game is dead.
 
The penalty system is ****ed. I just got two penalties in a race for doing nothing wrong. Cars hitting each other around me, none of them touch me, I don't touch them, and I somehow end up with a 2s penalty.

This game is dead.

Just because there was no contact on your screen, doesn’t mean there was no contact on theirs. But yes, the pens are ridiculous now.
 
What is it with this constant disconnects? Can they get the guy at PD to feed the meter???

It's not so bad, remember this Chinese proverb. 'Man who disconnect, receives no turn 1 penalty.'

This is a great explanation. If anyone's interested in a deeper understanding, you can look up "Elo rating systems".

Maybe we should be calling anyone with a DR over 75k "Grandmaster"? :D

Electric Light Orchestra? Is Jeff Lynn handing out the DR?

Would that mean I am permanently 'Peasant'?
 
Well, encountered a legendary driver today, this one’s going in the recording bin! :lol:
Gonna be more of a ‘lowlights’ than a ‘highlights’ though, made a ton of stupid mistakes. :nervous:
Video should be up in a few days. Hopefully people see it and learn what NOT to do at Monza! :D
Post got edited(sorry mods!) but I'm sure you guys can guess who it is.
 
Just tried the 911 RSR and surprise, surprise it's a solid car here (everywhere), just a little down on power, still usable though especially when keeping it on the track is as important as anything.


:gtplanet::cheers:
 
Just because there was no contact on your screen, doesn’t mean there was no contact on theirs. But yes, the pens are ridiculous now.
I saved the replay to make sure. No contact whatsoever.
As @Pigems says, your replay is only what you see from your point of view. That may not be what the other driver sees from their point of view. This is one of the perils of online racing: what you see may not always be what actually happened. And in fact there's no such thing is what actually happened, just a series of judgments based on consoles guessing where everyone probably is.
 
As @Pigems says, your replay is only what you see from your point of view. That may not be what the other driver sees from their point of view. This is one of the perils of online racing: what you see may not always be what actually happened. And in fact there's no such thing is what actually happened, just a series of judgments based on consoles guessing where everyone probably is.

Yea I had a completely clear pass last week and got a 2" penalty, saved the replay and looked and loads of space but at this point I think you are best to just move on and enjoy the game. Some of the carnage at Monza is purely down to bad driving and an unwillingness to give an inch to the guys around you whereas playing the long game I find usually works out, most recent race Q 7th I gave up 3 places on first lap to hotheads but still finished in 5th with a clean race. The close penalties are hard to take though and replays as the others have said only show it from one side.
 
Yea I had a completely clear pass last week and got a 2" penalty, saved the replay and looked and loads of space but at this point I think you are best to just move on and enjoy the game. Some of the carnage at Monza is purely down to bad driving and an unwillingness to give an inch to the guys around you whereas playing the long game I find usually works out, most recent race Q 7th I gave up 3 places on first lap to hotheads but still finished in 5th with a clean race. The close penalties are hard to take though and replays as the others have said only show it from one side.

Yes I had 4 "clean races" in a row (from the back) in 4 different cars until I just used the M3, it doesn't handle well enough to avoid small bumps and people kept on diving just expecting me to get out of their way or something and it's not quick enough to leave them behind or to overtake a GT-R that was holding me up purely with it's straight line speed. :(

My clean race had gone in T1 actually because I started 19th, so of course the 20th placed driver flies into T1 bumps a few cars into each other and carries on. :rolleyes:



:gtplanet::cheers:
 
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So I tried Daily Race A for once and it was chaotic but fun as seen this race I did although it costed some of my SR points but the damage wasn't bad.

The guy in front of me probably forgot the race started so I accidentally ended up hitting him but luckily no penalties were awarded plus the dude DC'ed and from there it was just all about recovering.


 
Monza and GR3 should be a fun and exciting race but the penalties can make it really frustrating at times.

One race 3 X 1 sec penalties for hitting another car. By hitting it means the car behind me getting a pixel past my rear in a corner and bang penalties for me. How am I supposed to defend my line if that is giving me penalties. (I realise what I see maybe different to the driver behind but I can't account for that and can only go with what is presented to me.)

At the other end of the absurd passing a German driver on start / finish straight, gave plenty of room but he comes across track and starts to try to drive me into pit wall. I really hate when folks do this on any part of track but on a straight no excuse so I push back hard fully expecting a penalty. Apparently my pushing game was much better because he pinged across the track hit the barrier and spun. No penalty for me and I actually finished that race with a CRB.

It's utter nonsense that ruins an otherwise good racing game. I really hope GT7 has had a lot of work put into whatever penalty system they have because what is in GT Sport is not fit for purpose.
 
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