"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[OJBrit]

If you're still doing that and consider it not leaving room then I'm all good with it. Makes for good racing to use all the track.

Pretty much this.
I think maybe the theory is a little rusty but the practice is good. In both examples he raced fair and pulled off a good move in the second one.

 

[redbullfix]

Last night I had 6 B/S Daily Race A races at Lake Maggiore. (I am a mid B driver at best).
First 5 races I got run off track several times:

Typical for B lobbies since the reg update, especially Dailey A, & B
Dailey C races in general are more friendly
It pays to spend more time qualifying for us B-S drivers
I often qualify in A, A+ lobbies, very slim chance to ever win, but the races are a lot more fun

 

[Little_Guppy]

After a battle <... snip ...>

Who's racing at RBR? not sure if I want to jump in there, is it very messy?

It is very messy. Midpack, in almost every race, has degenerated. For my main account ran a better QT time to get ahead of the midpack.

I got one lucky race from the bumpy crap. With my improved QT I got Q3. Q2 (aka punter) collected a 0.5 limits pen. Q2 pushes off Q1 at T2 and then tries to take me out after serving his pen as we approach T3 but I am starting to get wiser to this sort of crap and get past. Unexpectedly, I get a 2+ second gap and control the race for a rare win.

Upon reviewing the replay, after I passed "punter" he tried to defend and hit everyone, slowing the whole field creating the gap for me. He eventually hit the sand and quit around DFL.

Mostly, I have moved to my alt where I do not care as much. I still pushed for a good QT as I have found the pointy end of the grid normally wants to run cleanly as there is more to lose. There is nothing to lose if you are P10 - that seems to be the math.

 

[foolsgold74]

Races A and B seem to be wacky races in the low B/S section this week. Had one of each in succession that were just cars ramming into each other all over the place. Not much fun to race although amusing to observe sometimes. I've got the replays and might try to put together a lowlights package in share factory.

Rave C seems much better. Generally pretty well behaved. I'm enjoying it. I forget who said to try the Vantage but it was good advice:tup: 2 podiums straight off the bat.

 

[crusselz]

Had some great racing with an Italian, initially we were both a bit cautious, having never raced against each other. 3 really short clips.





Side by side racing can be good fun, if you trust the other driver. But as someone said above, it also slows you down.



Don't think the French driver was in the wrong. But always good to see someone give back a position they feel they didn't earn.

 

[NoStopN]

I get confused when I see allegedly clean drivers talk about things like having “the right to a corner” because they are on the inside and the nose of their car is ahead. You don’t own the whole corner when you’re ahead, you own the apex. If your opponent on the outside manages to brake later and still maintains some overlap upon turn-in and throughout the apex, you still have to leave room on the outside for his car...because his car is a physical object that is still there.

It looks like the discrepancy got worked out, but regarding overlap, I feel that if the overtaking car has its front wheel even with the back wheel of the overtaken car, that’s overlap. Give room. Don’t be a tit.

This idea of not leaving room on the outside of a corner on exit and running them wide because you are ahead at apex is a load of cow dung. Last year we had a Gr3 race at Sardegna B and I was able to make plenty of passes on the OUTSIDE of turn 1.

As much as I agree with giving the outside car room, I have occasionally been so juiced on adrenaline that I have been 90% in front of them & hip-checked them off of their line coming out of the exit.

Actually T1 at Sardegna is one of the best corners to pull off an outside pass. I guess it’s the camber that still allows for maintaining good speed through there, but I’ve pulled off many overtakes in that spot.

The final turn at Yamagiwa is my favorite place to pull off an outside pass. 👍

 

[BigSarj]

I've had a bad day at the races. There was a fellow countryman who I've raced with a few times before..I was trying to bump draft him but he insisted on moving over. I then accidentally nudged him a bit into the grass and he seemed to take major offense to this and booted me to the maritimes. I feel bad and really, really need to spend more time racing and less time qualifying, I think.

 

[O604]

My only race A so far today I was the only red at the finish.

My first collision penalty since the update, didn't effect results but I deserved it and -5SR. A very tight 1-2-3 race until that point. But final lap, coming out of the the big turn I nudged the car in front, luckily they saved and stayed in front of me but they could have had a better chance for the win.

 

[D_Dragline]

I forget who said to try the Vantage but it was good advice:tup: 2 podiums straight off the bat.

I also said not to tell anyone. Now they’ll all be driving it.

 

[AfraidRacer]

@Rexracer702, hey, watch it, that's me your talking about! <note> Can you guys really read what I am thinking? </note>

Seriously, that was the December/January me . It's hard to believe that early braking is faster as it is so counter intuitive. I still struggle when to use it but now I know how to do it. @Groundfish has been advocating it, @D_Dragline is effectively doing that in his earlier Sardegna post.

Ask yourself some questions.

• Are you an A or B driver?
• Have you mostly plateaued?
• Are your quall times approaching 2-ish % from the top?
• Are you mostly hard braking? That is, hit your marks, full-on-braking, downshift-like-mad then pray to hit the apex?

If the above describes you it means you are fast but will no longer find the second-a-lap gain because all of those gains are exhausted. At your already high level you need to find the "tenths" and modulated braking can help you get there.

It is hard. You will both undershoot and overshoot. It will take more than one or 10 laps to get it working. It the beginning your times will be worse.

First, there are still places where you can apply 100% braking and it OK to just punch it. For example it is OK at T2 at RBR but not T3 and I am not sure why. Most times, though, a throttle lift before and a firm application of the brakes works better. Releasing the brakes sooner more slowly is always better and I don't know of an exception.

I learned the techniques at Gr1/Hybrid/Spa/Audi week and tire-saving/RaceC/Gr4/LagunaSeca/FF week. The technique applied at two totally different combos because it is largely universal to racing. It was truly a revelation when I could use 70% braking and then guide the car into the apex at the right speed and angle ready for an exit. Then I started to see my mini sector times start to improve - that was amazing.

The input and coaching came from this board.

Modulated braking has many applications:

• Better exit speeds,
• Tire saving,
• Hybrid Recharging

are but a few. Now, I want to determine how to best utilize it when head to head competing for a corner, ala the @D_Dragline experience previously.

Modulated braking is not critical for new drivers but it is never too soon to add good new tools to the toolbag. For beginners there are bigger gains to be found in consistency, car selection, turn in points, brake points, not panicking when going side-by-side and the like.

I believe the term 'machine gun downshifts' has been thrown around about me frequently, but it seems like I've subconsciously adapted my driving style to not hard brake as much. I've only braked at 100% on T1 and the other two 90* corners at Sardegna, so I'm making progress!

 

[BigSarj]

My only race A so far today I was the only red at the finish.

My first collision penalty since the update, didn't effect results but I deserved it and -5SR. A very tight 1-2-3 race until that point. But final lap, coming out of the the big turn I nudged the car in front, luckily they saved and stayed in front of me but they could have had a better chance for the win.

How much of a penalty? Because, since the update, I think I've only seen 3 or 2 second collision penalties for massive punts. I got one today but I'll chalk it up to a higher power using me as a vessel to dole out karma.

 

[Rexracer702]

First race of the week. Race A was starting, so in I went. I got about 5 laps or so in the MR2 yesterday to qualify, so I jumped in the Clio to race. Much more stable, and I'm glad I picked it. I knew my low 40 Qtime wasn't gonna do much, and sure enough I was dead last at the start. 6 of the 12 were A or A+ so I figured on staying out of trouble and watching the all Clio pack take each other out and give me some spots. After T2 I was in 10th, and had 8th for half a second due to bunched cars with no speed from going wide on the downhill T3. I had to bob and weave, and thought I had the apex of T4 until someone smash my passenger door and knocked me into the grass. DFL. Half way through lap 3 I was back to tenth with a pack in front. Last lap I made 2 legit passes, saw some minor carnage, and 3 penalties pop up. My strategy paid off with a 5th place finish, a blue S, and some DR since I beat 3 A/A+ drivers. My fastest race lap was a 38.something, so I know I can do better in Q.

 

[Barra333]

Got my first win since Fuji tonight - flag to flag in race A, helped by a lot of fighting behind me on lap 1. Had pole for the next race too but disconnected in the pre race lobby. I've now disconnected 3 times in total - twice from pole

 

[BigSarj]

Got my first win since Fuji tonight - flag to flag in race A, helped by a lot of fighting behind me on lap 1. Had pole for the next race too but disconnected in the pre race lobby. I've now disconnected 3 times in total - twice from pole

Someone said deleting your cache in the game helps.

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

1V1 Race A in the next few days ? When ever the time present itself?

Good lord man! I’m still trying to catch your first ghost. My only hope was that you’d make a mistake during the race. Well thanks now I have to go chase a shadow for hours ( Insert definition of insanity here) Only to realize there’s no chance of catching it. I’m still down to lose a race if you have time to waste.

 

[O604]

Tip for Race C. Don't hit the barrier and get a 1.5 sec penalty. Twice.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Gee race c is fun but 2 issues plague it. The McLaren is such a pain in the rear, you just cannot shake them as they get in your tow so easily. They are also prone to, and heres the second issue, bomb passing. Come on guys, pick your spots, so aggressive all the time.

The track does result in some good racing though, sometimes 4 or 5 of us just all over each other.

Qualifying is key now that SR is irrelevant as you will be matched with guys at your pace. At a 40.6 I was qualifying 12 to 16, I managed a 40.3 and in the next race I was 7th and a guy with a 40.7 was 16th .

 

[Raptor013]

Gee race c is fun but 2 issues plague it. The McLaren is such a pain in the rear, you just cannot shake them as they get in your tow so easily. They are also prone to, and heres the second issue, bomb passing. Come on guys, pick your spots, so aggressive all the time.

The track does result in some good racing though, sometimes 4 or 5 of us just all over each other.

Qualifying is key now that SR is irrelevant as you will be matched with guys at your pace. At a 40.6 I was qualifying 12 to 16, I managed a 40.3 and in the next race I was 7th and a guy with a 40.7 was 16th .

Yeah, I've had just the one race so far in C this week. And it was a great race. Most of the field was closely matched throughout the 10 laps.

 

[GT5Power]

Tip for Race C. Don't hit the barrier and get a 1.5 sec penalty. Twice.

Especially frustrating when you've made it to P4 from the back and your wheel disconnects in the fast left in the final sector, which causes you to hit the wall, get a 1.5 and lose two positions at the line Is it really that hard to keep those penalties in Tokyo? You can't even feasibly wallride here, or on the many tracks with miles of runoff that still give you 1.5s for hitting the wall

 

[Pigems]

Good lord man! I’m still trying to catch your first ghost. My only hope was that you’d make a mistake during the race. Well thanks now I have to go chase a shadow for hours ( Insert definition of insanity here) Only to realize there’s no chance of catching it. I’m still down to lose a race if you have time to waste.

Possibly we can on the weekend, works been crazy lately, I haven’t had a lot of time to race.

 

[BalsBrother]

Gee race c is fun but 2 issues plague it. The McLaren is such a pain in the rear, you just cannot shake them as they get in your tow so easily. They are also prone to, and heres the second issue, bomb passing. Come on guys, pick your spots, so aggressive all the time.

The track does result in some good racing though, sometimes 4 or 5 of us just all over each other.

Qualifying is key now that SR is irrelevant as you will be matched with guys at your pace. At a 40.6 I was qualifying 12 to 16, I managed a 40.3 and in the next race I was 7th and a guy with a 40.7 was 16th .

Try racing the Genesis, race a tight line and put TCS 1 tick higher than you normally race with. I had this problem yesterday with the dive-bombs only it was more punt n run so switched it up. If someone hits a Genesis while you are off brakes it will quickly get under control once you are back on them. If some hits you while you are on the brakes well they will have more movement out of the barriers, hehe.

I know the Genesis Gr.3 got bop'ed recently but it's still a decently competitive car and I managed a 2nd place while I was running it yesterday with McLaren's in the mix. It's quite hard work but it's doable.

I should say I have gone back to the Corvette this morning as it's an easier drive and things seem to have settled down again but if things get a bit feisty again I know what I am racing. The other caveat I guess is I am DR C so things might be different in higher lobbies but it still might be worth a shot.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I'm DR B, but veey low B.
I started a race C as p6 in a Corvette with door 5, made it to third (because first ran me off by the church, repeatedly sideswiping), pits on lap 4 for softs, comes out as 12 I think it was and are so happy to see the previous first, psn and YouTube **********, in front of me in the hairpin after the church straight. Small tap as he braked and off he went, karma is a bitch.
Then most of the field pitted on lap 5 and I took the lead. Won by 11.6 seconds ahead of P2.
The thing that gets me about the McLaren that swiped me off was we where both on mediums. He pitted on lap 3, so expected to be faster after that and still he can't take me passing clean.
I am sorry but I am absolutely positive it's because he is streaming during the race.
I checked his channel and sure enough the stream was removed.

Some guys are just so entitled....

 

[OJBrit]

I also said not to tell anyone. Now they’ll all be driving it.

I already was.

Especially frustrating when you've made it to P4 from the back and your wheel disconnects in the fast left in the final sector, which causes you to hit the wall, get a 1.5 and lose two positions at the line Is it really that hard to keep those penalties in Tokyo? You can't even feasibly wallride here, or on the many tracks with miles of runoff that still give you 1.5s for hitting the wall

I mean surely the game can recognise the difference in wallriding and accidental contact. Time against barrier, steering, accleration, time lost etc... The wall contact penalties are one of the worst things about this game.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

I know its off topic but Very sadness this morning with the passing of Sabine Schmitz the Queen of the Nurburgring, what a driver she was and a joy to watch her on the track. RIP

 

[Barra333]

Someone said deleting your cache in the game helps.

I'll try doing that more often, but my main problem is distance. I'm running against Australians and Japanese from near Toronto.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I'll try doing that more often, but my main problem is distance. I'm running against Australians and Japanese from near Toronto.

You an expat?

 

[BenRod]

I know its off topic but Very sadness this morning with the passing of Sabine Schmitz the Queen of the Nurburgring, what a driver she was and a joy to watch her on the track. RIP

Went out for a smoke, and my wife just told me.

x infinity

If I get to Heaven, after I say hello to God and thank Him, Sabine will be the first person I go find,
The quickest way to learn how to get around the Streets Of Gold would be to let her drive.

(there's gotta be a song lyric or poem in that somewhere)

 

[Barra333]

You an expat?

Yep, grew up in Australia but am now in London, Ontario for the foreseeable future.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Yep, grew up in Australia but am now in London, Ontario for the foreseeable future.

I'll PM you, I have an office in London but live in GTA. And yes, it's still cold 6 months after it started getting cold.

 

[Pigems]

Just found this clip from a while back, but, it’s proof that room can be made for a second car, just about anywhere on any track.