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I will try not to include any actual anime art in it lol. Just an homage to the mecha in the show.
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- 1,230
- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
Sometimes.
The VW is a nice cousin to the TT, but I've found anything it does, the TT does better. The exception perhaps being mid-to-high speed cornering, at a place such as Tokyo, where the VW is phenomenal to roll through the faster corners precisely, if you keep the balance on entry, it has a little more comfortable feeling to me when you carry a min apex speed for a longer time. I've counted on the VW at the Tokyo Central Outer Loop, for example. It's just a little easier (and faster) to roll it around with momentum, and to steer precisely, than the TT. The TT is easier to work with when larger steering corrections are needed at most other courses, though.
The VW is a nice cousin to the TT, but I've found anything it does, the TT does better. The exception perhaps being mid-to-high speed cornering, at a place such as Tokyo, where the VW is phenomenal to roll through the faster corners precisely, if you keep the balance on entry, it has a little more comfortable feeling to me when you carry a min apex speed for a longer time. I've counted on the VW at the Tokyo Central Outer Loop, for example. It's just a little easier (and faster) to roll it around with momentum, and to steer precisely, than the TT. The TT is easier to work with when larger steering corrections are needed at most other courses, though.
Groundfish
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The tt ff was so op with the other ff I went awol trying to find an alt fr or mr. I’ve never been close to good with tt but Megane for me can be op depending on bop. Lol
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- Little_Guppy_72
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- NoStopN
Looks like we have another pair of appearances by our GTP members. @OJBrit & @Groundfish are featured. One of them demonstrates the down side of revenge.
- 1,230
- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
Even as a fan of the TT in Gr4 events... I thought the BoP adjustment was needed and fair. It's still my favorite and I've been just as successful with it as I was before, all things even.
(If only the R8 was as nice to drive... I could be convinced to leave my beloved Porsche for Audi in the FIA Manufacturers Series...)
Groundfish
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- SpacedustDaddy
I ran the R8, M Power and AMG GT in race C. The R8 is slow, but such a corner slicer. Since that off-throttle MR Sliiiiiide is gone, I've been using it more with success. Most importantly, it's a fun car to drive, for me.
The M Power M6 is a weapon in Race C. It'll keep up in the slip and tyre wear is good enough on the RMs, to hastle the F1 from start to pit stops. Once on RS, I was picking off F1s at my leisure.
AMG GT has a 274km/h top speed with no slipstream. I was battling a GT-R, but it had very good drive out of the esses. Was pulling away from me on RMs. When we switched to RS, I was gaining for a pass, but got held up by a C7 and F1 as all four of us battled. Once I passed the C7, it was too late to fight the F1 and GT-R.
Anyway, after all that, the Peugeot VGTs seem to be the choice ride this week.
The M Power M6 is a weapon in Race C. It'll keep up in the slip and tyre wear is good enough on the RMs, to hastle the F1 from start to pit stops. Once on RS, I was picking off F1s at my leisure.
AMG GT has a 274km/h top speed with no slipstream. I was battling a GT-R, but it had very good drive out of the esses. Was pulling away from me on RMs. When we switched to RS, I was gaining for a pass, but got held up by a C7 and F1 as all four of us battled. Once I passed the C7, it was too late to fight the F1 and GT-R.
Anyway, after all that, the Peugeot VGTs seem to be the choice ride this week.
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- Bristol, UK
- OJBrit
Indeed once you learn to drive one of the Gr3 MR's you can handle them all mostly. I got a handle on the RS01 in the last manu and that should help me with the feisty one this manu.
Got on late today due to playing tennis.
Started with Race B. Not used the RCZ in a while but it had to come out for a play. Geeze any hint of throttle mid corner and you are dragged kicking and screaming into the grass/gravel/barrier. Will have to see if I am patient enough to try it again. Couldn't get a good lap together and started 12th. During the race I decided to let it turn a bit more before applying power. This of course let me be vulnerable to punts as people got on the power early and jolted into me. Lap one and I was in the wall at turn 6. A few seconds back it was a case of see what the carnage ahead brings me. Next lap penalties bring them closer. Next lap I catch up and get someone out of the final turn with a better run. From then on it's a case of collecting from other's issues. Only came in 10th in the end but better than last.
Race C. Only had time to set a pedestrian lap as I wanted to get used to the car/ track. Started 17th so hopped onto the mediums. Get a run on some slow cars ahead but I am dragged by the car ahead into the barrier. You only have to so much as look at the barrier in this race to get a penalty. Seems really harsh. So 1.5 for me. Sorta get dragged into a melee and then serve my penalty. I catch back up to 2 cars fighting. I pull back into turn 1 and one of them crashes into the barrier. Unfortunately it send him into me and upsets my car enough to spin me around. Luckily the car behind is 10 seconds behind and I loose 8 seconds spinning her back around. I pit lap 5 and it's a case of using my fresh and faster tyres to my advantage. I manage to catch up to the same 2 cars having a ding dong ahead. One of them keeps getting a penalty and thus is easily dispatched. On the last lap I manage to get past the other car after they clip the barriers around the bridge. (No penalty for them?
) They do however close on me into the hairpin which I am struggling to get the car around, feels like a barge at times. Anyway he tries to nudge me on the 2nd apex. This thankfully straightens me towards the exit and I am able to stay alongside. Feeling this was a 🤬 move I keep it pointed straight for the kink which smashes him against the wall. Oops, I guess I forgot to steer. My bad. Call it even? Still a 14th place finish. I have a much better lap in me so will have to set a proper time.Race A. Again only got 1 lap in and made a couple of mistakes for an awful lap time. Got me 11th on the grid. However I will let this first lap speak for itself.
Followed the Spaniard ahead. Closed in sector 1 but he was quicker through sector 3. The Italian ahead got reset at Turn 1 on the last lap allowing us both through and I finished with a podium in 3rd.
Probably will skip B this week. The others look better.
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- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
The Don from Columbia was the one I had trouble with at DTS last week, he was literally running people off the road on purpose to gain positions without impunity.
What I don't respect is others making a sport of it and just inviting the people like that to keep up their own bad habits. Those behaviors carry over into the next lobbies and having my time wasted by people still running about like that is not cool.
That guy ended up ruining two races in a row for me, until the third one, when he was obliterated by the CoD due to an unforced error, handing me the win. But he was otherwise unfortunately very good at his cheating craft and I found it a lot easier to simply avoid him, rather than have my race totally ruined or collect others in the nonsense.
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- San Jose, CA
- Little_Guppy_72
It was really good running with you. In one of the races you saved my bacon!
Saturday night and Sunday worked for me. Before that, all week was rough. I was rusty and some of the competitors were garbage.
On lap times there were about 3 more 10'ths left but I could not have hit a 1:43.999 in an FF. One of the fastest FF drivers set her time in an Atenza as I expect she could not do better in the FF.
Your notes about easing out the brakes, off-throttle analysis, and @KozmoKazi 's WOT reference it explains a few things. At turn 1 easing off the brakes was huge (and BB+5) for the turn in but I could not do it consistently. At the entry to the Esses I started messing with braking/turning with significant throttle. It both cases I got great speed and angle for the next corner but it happened so rarely that I could not manage the new speed for next corner. That alone represents a few tenth's. Next, for the final turn I was using the graviton curbs to sling me around the corners. I noticed a fast Atenza using later apex with less curb to good effect.
I normally limit my gear selections to 3,4 and 5. Only used 6th when in the slip. Only used second in special cases at seaside hairpin. Second gear is bad for all of the FF cars... that whole WOT thing
.Interestingly, I have gotten faster with the intro to the new penalty system. Y'know that fight or flight response. Its confirmed - I am a flighter! My response is to get faster and get in front of the trash. It works most of the time.
With respect to practice lobbies I happened upon a good one a few months ago. They are a bunch of fast, welcoming and chill racers from South America. I got to know them on the track first. It is a really nice group. I visit a few times a month.
Groundfish
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I hope you don’t think I normally dive into turn 1 and hit other cars.
This player was dirty.
I’ve found often players “try you on” and often when they find out you bite back in general things cool off and good races continue.
That’s fine for you. Whenever you encounter a tough player simply submit and allow them to win.
Or try to “show them how it’s done” and win fairly.
I did that for I dunno at least my first year in GTS. It’s maybe the ultimate moral high ground.
You are Ghandi.
However if you do that and so does everyone then there’s no more race, the cheaters prosper.
Further if you decide after they bash by you to stay back and not “make it worse” you’re not racing anymore. You are a beaten dog with his tail between his legs. Also you are providing POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT to dirty behavior.
To the dirty player he just sees himself getting more ahead and taking more points.
If you’re second and a guy bashed by you your idea would be uh oh it’s that mean Colombian again I will just stay back and let him win.
Under the old strict penalties none of this was a serious issue in the 99 lobbies. Occasionally an outlier player might get matched with the regs but after a race or two it’s back to the minor leagues.
Now imagine an opposite scenario to the Ghandi response.
Imagine all players asserting themselves by punting off these dirty tosses.
This would be NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT to people like that guy above who by the way while pretty bad was nothing compared to the peach I ran into at Seaside!
None of these players can make it under a strict pen system.
In this case now there’s no pen system.
It’s up to us as players to be aware race hard race fair and build a zero tolerance culture in the game towards these idiotic cheaters.
Someone’s gotta do it.
If everyone just puts their tail between their legs it’s not racing.
You can be Ghandi but I’m not.
I’m gonna race my best. I’m not gonna just let everything go all the time and let guys get away with it.
I’m not going to accept cheating.
The problems come in when cheaters are right around your q time. That’s true. Fast is safe.
Or, it could be argued that smash to pass is legal in game since there’s no penalty issued, therefore FairPlay.
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- Little_Guppy_72
I am now up to three purposeful punts. All occurring under this recent penalty regime. The last one was an absolute troll taunting in the pre-race, punting in the actual race... the whole nine yards.
In the end, it is not me. It neither fits my Little Guppy persona nor me in real life.
In general, I am going to extend the benefit of the doubt at least once and ask for an explanation post race. From that point you can tell. When our FAMOUS friend received complaints from multiple racers he simply responded that we were all too slow. Then it is game on - he is an irredeemable.
I am much more prepared to dish out a punt on my alt vs main. There is a certain selfishness as I am less prepared to accept a DR loss on the main. I expect it is a tradeoff that many struggle with.
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Race C is crazy good fun. 4M/6S- F1/huracan/Peugeot vgt/ Ford gt (just about if your good with it).
Watch out for t1 divebombs, chicane lunges and final corner punts.
Try and find someone to work with to break away from those aggressive players (not many will though). If you get stuck in a pack, either pit early (softs can do 8 laps if your careful) or hold back and pick them off as they fight. To stay out of trouble either very tight or very wide lines work best. Try not to go side by side as those behind will catch you.
Good fun though, there is something about the high speed flow of the circuit that just works.
Oh and the mediums suck ass
, a 1 stop on softs would’ve been a better race I think.
Good luck
Watch out for t1 divebombs, chicane lunges and final corner punts.
Try and find someone to work with to break away from those aggressive players (not many will though). If you get stuck in a pack, either pit early (softs can do 8 laps if your careful) or hold back and pick them off as they fight. To stay out of trouble either very tight or very wide lines work best. Try not to go side by side as those behind will catch you.
Good fun though, there is something about the high speed flow of the circuit that just works.
Oh and the mediums suck ass
, a 1 stop on softs would’ve been a better race I think. Good luck
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- Croatia
- NekoPuffer_PPP
Not my proudest time, but...what can I say? If the game allows it... Met the #1 guy in a couple races, we all agreed not to use the wall because it would just cause chaos... Surprisingly clean racing up there.
Shoutout to the fellow Croats in the top 10!
Shoutout to the fellow Croats in the top 10!
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- Croatia
- NekoPuffer_PPP
That's an odd take... If everyone's doing it, can you really still call it cheating?
The point of setting quali times is finding the fastest way to complete a lap...even without the wallriding, people still cut corners in ways no other game would accept as clean.
It's how it is...no need to bash on the people for the game's shortcomings, come on.
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- Willow Springs
- schlafhund
Not an odd take at all. It’s definitely cheating and most likely Polyphony will wipe that leaderboard shortly. I understand the issue with a lot of the corner cutting on some top times on other tracks and I agree it’s not nice — preferably some of the semi-absurd cutting shouldn’t work either but can you honestly compare corner cutting to driving into the wall at over 200 km/h?
No need to get offended. When I first checked that leaderboard a couple of hours ago the absence of expected names caught my attention and now I understand why.
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The only instance where wiping the times would make sense would be when the exploit gets fixed.
But it's not getting fixed...is it?
Wiping the times really doesn't do anything to solve the problem...all it is is a minor inconvenience.
In the current rally time attack event, any contact with the track's edges invalidates the time. Would it be that hard to apply that penalty to every time-attack/quali related run? No, of course not. Question is, why don't they just do that?...
So as long as they don't, wallriders gonna wallride...
Ah, I just wanna point out, the "odd take" was in reference to insulting the players for doing something the game "allows".
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- schlafhund
Come on.
Obviously I wasn’t suggesting the times to wiped without fixing the exploit, that would be completely pointless.Well, no one knows for sure but I’m expecting Polyphony to wipe that leaderboard and fix the exploit shortly.
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