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Daily races are now WEEKLY races (POLL)
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- jamiemb17
As much as I'd like to think this is true, it's just not.
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So by that rationale everyone can be as fast as say Lewis or Fernando?
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With 3 daily races i become bored after two races in each track. I havent understood why they changed it and why they dont add more options in daily races.There are 200 cars and 40 tracks. This is not good for playerbase and matchmaking, because if there are not enought players with your skills, it will unbalance. I hope they change it as soon as possible
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Better play St. Croix while it's still on, as with only 3 races a week, GR.3 layout C could be a year before it comes on again!
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I play daily 3 to 4 hours minimum, I am on a pad, and usually lap 2 to 3 seconds of the fastest times, and am not impaired mentally or physically, you sound foolish.
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- GTRP_Krypto_
Dude, let it go, you can't be serious.
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Uhh good for you, i guess? I fail to grasp the point of your post. Are you trying to pass off your pace deficit despite daily playtime as a solidified refutal to my claim? How do you reckon the "aliens" reached the top? All of them bar none have put a tremendous amount of hours into racing games, the only difference is that they spent their time efficiently and constantly challenged themselves.
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@AUTISTICBOYX
The closer you'd come to the top the more you'd unterstand how incredible it is what the guys are doing.
Perhaps the majority is capable of reaching lets say high A or low A+ level if you'd give them all time they want and a good wheel.
But the top 10 is something else.
The closer you'd come to the top the more you'd unterstand how incredible it is what the guys are doing.
Perhaps the majority is capable of reaching lets say high A or low A+ level if you'd give them all time they want and a good wheel.
But the top 10 is something else.
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I've never claimed its easy. On the contrary, its very challenging. But driving is a technical skill, similar to the piano. Given enough time, practice, passion and dedication one can too become a virtuoso. Put this in contrast to something that requires purely/mostly intellectual prowess with games like go, chess or solving complex mathematical constraints (there are math olympiads believe it or not). The latter is mostly bound by genetics, the former is not.
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The problem I have here is you saying people are lazy if they arent top 10...but now to be top ten you must practice, have time etc...not all of us have time to practice hours on end for that minute gain, what with jobs, families. So my original point stands that with the amount of time that I can afford this game I believe I have reached my peak at suzuka. Thats not lazy as you put it, its just life.
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And that is exactly what is going to hurt PD if they continue with the weekly races according to the poll. Before the "electronic age" PD could have gotten away with weekly races, people now think a 3 hour football game or race is too long while PD thinks that 168 hours between race changes is just right???
Since the players can not actually feel what the car is doing the game relies heavily on hand eye/coordination, its a fact people have different levels of this hand/eye coordination.
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I have only raced sport mode once in the last 4 days as I became bored with them. I personally just like variety. That being said, I can see the need for both. I have had days that I would have liked to race because of the track, one make etc. and have been unable due to commitments etc. Would have been nice to have that race for another day.
I think there is room for both. at this rate with the number of tracks and variations when would we see Suzuka or St Croix in the format they were this week again? Probably a very long time and to long for me. The reality is you will always find someone to complain about something regardless, buyt the same three races for a whole week with no other option to work on my DR drove me right to PC2 after the second day. Just my two cents.
I think there is room for both. at this rate with the number of tracks and variations when would we see Suzuka or St Croix in the format they were this week again? Probably a very long time and to long for me. The reality is you will always find someone to complain about something regardless, buyt the same three races for a whole week with no other option to work on my DR drove me right to PC2 after the second day. Just my two cents.
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The biggest disappointment for the daily races has been and continues to be the lack of tracks. I don't care if it's daily or weekly or monthly, if you only have a handful of tracks, then the motivation to play and keep playing will diminish.
Most of the experienced players have settled into their respective DR/SR, so be dynamic PD and do something interesting, and the current weekly format is NOT dynamic...it's just so amateur, and you're leaving the door wide open for your competitors.
Most of the experienced players have settled into their respective DR/SR, so be dynamic PD and do something interesting, and the current weekly format is NOT dynamic...it's just so amateur, and you're leaving the door wide open for your competitors.
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Is there a specific time of day that the daily races change over? Tomorrow is the day, right? I'm a young rookie driver and I don't hate the weekly setup quite as much as most of you, since this gives me ample opportunity to practice and really learn the tracks in a competitive environment. However, this first week was a bad one for me. I still need a ton of practice before I'm comfortable on Saint-Croix and Suzuka has historically been one of my worst. 
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This makes no sense. You claim intellectual disciplines are dependent on genetics (natural ability), but physical disciplines have nothing to do with genetics.
In case you hadn’t noticed, almost every single aspect of racing is a giant math puzzle (the bit that isn’t math is the head to head competition between drivers, which boils down to psychology). Judging braking distances, managing grip levels, fuel and tire consumption - that’s all just math. Add actual tuning into the mix, the math puzzle grows exponentially. So by your logic, some people have an increased ability to think/calculate their way through a lap/race.
Never mind that some people have higher than average relflexes, or dexterity, or deftness of touch - physical aspects which can be improved on with practice (just like thinking), but often times, only to a limit.
There’s also the idea that no two people look at a corner the same way. Everyone’s interpretation of the “fast line” is slightly different, if only by a few millimeters. Watch videos that dissect the driving styles of various F1 drivers, comparing things like turn-in point, steering angle, etc. None of them are the same, and the style that some use naturally yields lap time over others.
Or look at a specific example like Craig Lowdes in Aussie Supercars. He makes lap time and conserves tires in ways that people can’t quite figure out, including himself. His natural way of driving the car is very different from most, but it gives results and allows him to do things that other drivers just simply can’t do.
I don’t understand why you would discard real driving from the discussion either. In sim racing, we have aliens. In real life, the aliens are called professional racecar drivers.
So you can race GT3 cars at Monza all day er’day?
Coming from PC2, I was so stoked on the dailies. Just for the fact it basically forced people to accept variety. Now with the weekly races, I feel like I’m looking at the PC2 open lobby again - same cars, same tracks, day after day.
(Just a disclaimer, I know it is very possible to find decent track shuffle lobbies in PC2, but there’s no denying that majority of the online activity is with GT3 or GTE cars, and dispite the game having the best track list on console, most lobbies run the same half dozen circuits over and over again).
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I feel like since the dailies at launch were hosted weekly, then they were changed to daily, then changed back to weekly, this is where they’re going to stay for the rest of the game’s life cycle.
You can always hope for it to be changed, but my gut feeling this time tells me this is where it stays from now on until the servers close. Could be the fact that this change was introduced in the same update as microtransactions, so it could signify a cutback in operating costs from PD.
If I were on the fence about whether to drop this game after the change, I’d just rip the band-aid off now, accept it and move on because they’re never going to change back to being hosted daily. I’ve only done about 10 SM races total, so I’ll be sticking around doing what I’ve always done, but you might as well find a different game now because mark my words, this is never going to change back. I’m going to be looking back at this post in two years going “called it.”
You can always hope for it to be changed, but my gut feeling this time tells me this is where it stays from now on until the servers close. Could be the fact that this change was introduced in the same update as microtransactions, so it could signify a cutback in operating costs from PD.
If I were on the fence about whether to drop this game after the change, I’d just rip the band-aid off now, accept it and move on because they’re never going to change back to being hosted daily. I’ve only done about 10 SM races total, so I’ll be sticking around doing what I’ve always done, but you might as well find a different game now because mark my words, this is never going to change back. I’m going to be looking back at this post in two years going “called it.”
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No. No it isn't. It may not be on the same level as real racing, but it is fundamentally very similar. Look how people like Jann Mardenborough became real drivers through playing the game. Your claim would suggest that your average Joe, someome with average or naturally below-average coordination, decision-making etc., could become a professional racing driver.
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I have seen a lot of elite reactions to the weekly races and I’m deeply concerned.
I know that one of the reasons of the existence of this forum is to help the community, and it works (all of us are better drivers thanks to GTPlantet and the contribution of elite players, for that thank you); because of this you all should be happy because this weekly races thing will make the community better. The level of this community is so low that is appalling:
The real core of this game is all those players struggling to pass from rank D into C and into B, (over 90% of total racers in this game). That's the core of players.
Is it boring for elite players? Yes, an elite player plays every day and needs constant challenge to keep improving, they should prepare at least 2 races more that change every day, mostly for the elite.
But the rest of us, we need this weekly thing, we really do. It means more time to learn the tracks, more time to qualify better, and improve the driving quality (which is very low now). This weekly race plus the last tweaks to the SR (not officially reported in the patches) make the experience of D, C and B racers much better.
So, my dear elite players, please complain in a responsible way. We know the community manager of PD reads, among other things, this forum. If you complain about the weekly races they could remove them, and that is not in the interest of the community.
Complain in a responsible way and make emphasis in adding daily races, not in removing the weekly ones. This way, we all can improve. Please insist in adding, not in removing. Thanks
I know that one of the reasons of the existence of this forum is to help the community, and it works (all of us are better drivers thanks to GTPlantet and the contribution of elite players, for that thank you); because of this you all should be happy because this weekly races thing will make the community better. The level of this community is so low that is appalling:
The real core of this game is all those players struggling to pass from rank D into C and into B, (over 90% of total racers in this game). That's the core of players.
Is it boring for elite players? Yes, an elite player plays every day and needs constant challenge to keep improving, they should prepare at least 2 races more that change every day, mostly for the elite.
But the rest of us, we need this weekly thing, we really do. It means more time to learn the tracks, more time to qualify better, and improve the driving quality (which is very low now). This weekly race plus the last tweaks to the SR (not officially reported in the patches) make the experience of D, C and B racers much better.
So, my dear elite players, please complain in a responsible way. We know the community manager of PD reads, among other things, this forum. If you complain about the weekly races they could remove them, and that is not in the interest of the community.
Complain in a responsible way and make emphasis in adding daily races, not in removing the weekly ones. This way, we all can improve. Please insist in adding, not in removing. Thanks
I think you are completely wrong about this. All the casuals I know are appalled and have pretty much stopped playing, as they have no interest in spending a week learning to drive a beat round tsukuba to get 2 tenths better, so they drop in to play once then dont come back. a week is just too long to expect people to wait to come back, they will stop coming altogether
I don't think there is a large population of people who are at low ratings AND who want to spend days practicing a track. I think it is more likely that the elite players are committed enough to spend that time.
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Man, you misread my post. I'm not saying casuals love it, I'm saying that they need this; if they hate it that's another thing entirely, I can't quantify people's likes, I can quantify the low level of the community because the data is there.
only 4% of players have finished the campaign
only 10% is over level 30
71% of players is still in rank D
only 10% is over level 30
71% of players is still in rank D
so, you don't think that instead removing weekly races, they should just add daily ones and remove nothing, so everyone can improve? Because that is the whole point of my post.
Casuals will not do what you think they should. Its a game.
I am happy of course for them to add not remove, though one weekly race and two dailies seems a better balance
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I think the low stats, ie the people who have completed campaign, have a low DR and/or SR, below level 30, etc...I think those are a result of the reality of the GT player base. I don’t mean theyre majority bad drivers (well, we could maybe have a talk about that 
), just that they don’t have interest in competitive online racing.
For a huge chunk of people, GTS was a legacy purchase, simply because it was a GT game. Didn’t matter that it was marketed as being focused on esports, most people just wanted a GT game on PS4 so they could get back to doing the things they do in GT - collecting cars and painting them (is there a stat for how much time people spend in either the livery editor or Discovery center in GTS?), dirty racing lobbies, drifting, cops and robbers, car shows, drag racing, roll racing, Wangan/top speed racing, cruising, etc, etc. Check the open lobby at any given time, and check the number of “race” related rooms that have high numbers, and compare that to how many “non-race” - I dunno what to call them - “car culture” related rooms. From my experience, going all the way back to GT5, it’s at least an even split, if not plausible that the non-racers out number the racers who are looking for traditional circuit racing.
), just that they don’t have interest in competitive online racing.For a huge chunk of people, GTS was a legacy purchase, simply because it was a GT game. Didn’t matter that it was marketed as being focused on esports, most people just wanted a GT game on PS4 so they could get back to doing the things they do in GT - collecting cars and painting them (is there a stat for how much time people spend in either the livery editor or Discovery center in GTS?), dirty racing lobbies, drifting, cops and robbers, car shows, drag racing, roll racing, Wangan/top speed racing, cruising, etc, etc. Check the open lobby at any given time, and check the number of “race” related rooms that have high numbers, and compare that to how many “non-race” - I dunno what to call them - “car culture” related rooms. From my experience, going all the way back to GT5, it’s at least an even split, if not plausible that the non-racers out number the racers who are looking for traditional circuit racing.
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@Kano Manel putting aside the argument of dailies/weeklies; anyone who wants weeklies has just as much ability to come here, or tweet, or comment on Instagram, etc etc, and tell PD what they want. Fact of the matter is, being vocal represents (to an extent) being committed to and caring about the game. If "the community" wants something, they can ask for it themselves, by which I mean as individuals - there is no greater being called "the community". I'm not going to presume what the greater good is and ask for something that I don't want; all I know for sure is what I want. As far as I am aware (I am young and not exactly politically-involved so please take anything I say here with a pinch of salt), that is exactly how democracy works; I'm pretty sure Brexit wouldn't have happened if everyone had voted for the "greater good" for "the community" (I know this is subjective and the "greater good" in this case is not truly quantifiable; but that is exactly the point). My point is that unless we can truly know what the greater good is, we have to act as individual agents.
As for your comments about the lower-ranked Sport Mode players - how do you know they are struggling because of the daily format? Have you personally interviewed every one of them? Of course, your claims may in fact be true, but I have seen many more complaints about the loss of dailies than appraisals for the addition of weeklies on this forum. Again, you can't just generalise and presume without evidence.
As for your comments about the lower-ranked Sport Mode players - how do you know they are struggling because of the daily format? Have you personally interviewed every one of them? Of course, your claims may in fact be true, but I have seen many more complaints about the loss of dailies than appraisals for the addition of weeklies on this forum. Again, you can't just generalise and presume without evidence.
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This makes no sense. You claim intellectual disciplines are dependent on genetics (natural ability), but physical disciplines have nothing to do with genetics.
In case you hadn’t noticed, almost every single aspect of racing is a giant math puzzle (the bit that isn’t math is the head to head competition between drivers, which boils down to psychology). Judging braking distances, managing grip levels, fuel and tire consumption - that’s all just math. Add actual tuning into the mix, the math puzzle grows exponentially. So by your logic, some people have an increased ability to think/calculate their way through a lap/race.
Never mind that some people have higher than average relflexes, or dexterity, or deftness of touch - physical aspects which can be improved on with practice (just like thinking), but often times, only to a limit.
There’s also the idea that no two people look at a corner the same way. Everyone’s interpretation of the “fast line” is slightly different, if only by a few millimeters. Watch videos that dissect the driving styles of various F1 drivers, comparing things like turn-in point, steering angle, etc. None of them are the same, and the style that some use naturally yields lap time over others.
Or look at a specific example like Craig Lowdes in Aussie Supercars. He makes lap time and conserves tires in ways that people can’t quite figure out, including himself. His natural way of driving the car is very different from most, but it gives results and allows him to do things that other drivers just simply can’t do.
I don’t understand why you would discard real driving from the discussion either. In sim racing, we have aliens. In real life, the aliens are called professional racecar drivers.
So you can race GT3 cars at Monza all day er’day?
Coming from PC2, I was so stoked on the dailies. Just for the fact it basically forced people to accept variety. Now with the weekly races, I feel like I’m looking at the PC2 open lobby again - same cars, same tracks, day after day.
(Just a disclaimer, I know it is very possible to find decent track shuffle lobbies in PC2, but there’s no denying that majority of the online activity is with GT3 or GTE cars, and dispite the game having the best track list on console, most lobbies run the same half dozen circuits over and over again).
You are the troll/dirty player from the other thread, right? Anyway.
In case you haven't noticed, this giant "puzzle" you speak of has long since been assembled and any quantifiable data analysed, obviously not by drivers, but by engineers, architects and physicists. Drivers are provided a script and their job is to execute it in the most efficient way.
The difficulty in racing comes not from memorizing breaking points, apexes , modulating throttle and all the other technical stuff that eventually becomes an instinct rather than active thought. But rather from endurance, consistency and staying calm in a chaotic and hazardous environment. This is the reason i separate online racing from the real thing (which i not disregard, that's just false interpretation on your part).
In a simcade especially, like GTS, any average joe has the potential to compete at the very top. I'm a firm believer of that. There is no extraordinary skill to it that an average person don't have or is unable to develop. Any claim otherwise i recognize simply as a scapegoat mechanism built to divert and mask ones shortcomings and lack of discipline and constitution for improvement.
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Your post is way too deep (and really good) for me to analyze now (I'm in the end of a deadline for the Uni, today basically). But you have touched a critical point here, what is the greater good in the case of this game? There must be a reason why this game is sanctioned by the FIA. There must be an answer to why Assetto Corsa Competizione is going to be the official Blancpain GT game. I think gaming companies are starting to integrate profit and education in the same package. Another example in the game industry, but not related to motor sport, could be "Prince of Persia: The Assassin's Creed", which was scratched by UBISOFT and reconverted into its own franchise, a game series that has the potential to integrate action and history education like never before. I'm completely sure game studios are combining education more and more into their products, because this integration brings profit. In the case of PD, this education is oriented to Motorsport and racing. But this is just my personal opinion, and all my views are 100% biased.
I don't want to just play a video game (there are dozens out there to choose that are way more fun), I want competition. I want to race and I want to win. The simple thought of a full 40 laps race in a secure environment in a Gr.2 at Suzuka accelerates my heartbeat, just thinking about it.
Driving is for everyone, racing is not.
So, to me, any measure that PD takes to make the game more competitive is welcome. Even if that means giving the core base what they need not what they want. The majority is not always right. The majority wants a less punitive penalty system, which leads to carnage. The majority wants daily races, which leads to lack of skill and 'track awareness'. The majority wants more cars and more tracks instead of improvements in the features that already exist.
For instance, nobody asked for a more sim-like tyre model, infact we would know nothing about the new tyre model if not because @Tidgney hinted it after the Nürburgring event. Did we really need a new tyre model? The answer is yes, we didn't know it but yes. The new tyre model improves the FFB in most wheels and makes the game less arcade and more simulation-like. You can't put your foot down in a Gr.4 car immediately after a sharp corner without consequences, not anymore, it is more realistic. Funny enough, there is unanimity about how good is, but nobody asked for it.
Nobody asked for not-tuning competition. But it makes the car a simple medium to make the racer shine, and today makes the game very competitive. Nobody asked for this, it was an unilateral decision.
The majority is not asking about linear throttle, but we need it. It will make us better racers, in particular those that are new in sim-racing (the base core... the majority).
A democracy in a game like this would transform GT Sport into Need for Speed. Because the truth is the majority has no ****ing idea of what they want. Imagine if the majority wants to add grenade launchers to the cars to make the game interesting? Should we have them then?
I want to think that PD is really trying to educate in the sense of motorsport and competition. Again, I might be wrong, since this is a 100% biased opinion. If iRacing were as good looking and fun as GTSPort I wouldnt be here asking for competitiveness
Sorry, I really like your post, I will try to respond properly in other moment, I have an MMA for the Uni to deliver today. See you around.
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