Daily races are now WEEKLY races (POLL)

[Jamie Bbbbb]

Your post is way too deep (and really good) for me to analyze now (I'm in the end of a deadline for the Uni, today basically). But you have touched a critical point here, what is the greater good in the case of this game? There must be a reason why this game is sanctioned by the FIA. There must be an answer to why Assetto Corsa Competizione is going to be the official Blancpain GT game. I think gaming companies are starting to integrate profit and education in the same package. Another example in the game industry, but not related to motor sport, could be "Prince of Persia: The Assassin's Creed", which was scratched by UBISOFT and reconverted into its own franchise, a game series that has the potential to integrate action and history education like never before. I'm completely sure game studios are combining education more and more into their products, because this integration brings profit. In the case of PD, this education is oriented to Motorsport and racing. But this is just my personal opinion, and all my views are 100% biased.

I don't want to just play a video game (there are dozens out there to choose that are way more fun), I want competition. I want to race and I want to win. The simple thought of a full 40 laps race in a secure environment in a Gr.2 at Suzuka accelerates my heartbeat, just thinking about it.

Driving is for everyone, racing is not.

So, to me, any measure that PD takes to make the game more competitive is welcome. Even if that means giving the core base what they need not what they want. The majority is not always right. The majority wants a less punitive penalty system, which leads to carnage. The majority wants daily races, which leads to lack of skill and 'track awareness'. The majority wants more cars and more tracks instead of improvements in the features that already exist.

For instance, nobody asked for a more sim-like tyre model, infact we would know nothing about the new tyre model if not because @Tidgney hinted it after the Nürburgring event. Did we really need a new tyre model? The answer is yes, we didn't know it but yes. The new tyre model improves the FFB in most wheels and makes the game less arcade and more simulation-like. You can't put your foot down in a Gr.4 car immediately after a sharp corner without consequences, not anymore, it is more realistic. Funny enough, there is unanimity about how good is, but nobody asked for it.

Nobody asked for not-tuning competition. But it makes the car a simple medium to make the racer shine, and today makes the game very competitive. Nobody asked for this, it was an unilateral decision.

The majority is not asking about linear throttle, but we need it. It will make us better racers, in particular those that are new in sim-racing (the base core... the majority).

A democracy in a game like this would transform GT Sport into Need for Speed. Because the truth is the majority has no ****ing idea of what they want. Imagine if the majority wants to add grenade launchers to the cars to make the game interesting? Should we have them then?

I want to think that PD is really trying to educate in the sense of motorsport and competition. Again, I might be wrong, since this is a 100% biased opinion. If iRacing were as good looking and fun as GTSPort I wouldnt be here asking for competitiveness

Sorry, I really like your post, I will try to respond properly in other moment, I have an MMA for the Uni to deliver today. See you around.

I hope you don't feel pressured into responding quickly if it gets in the way of your work. But I'll respond now whilst it's on my mind. What you say is true, that often we don't really know what we want. I know that often when I hear what fellow players would do if they were developing a game that I play, or what transfers fans would make if they were managing my favourite footy team, it makes me appreciate that there is a reason we have dedicated professionals for these jobs. And I haven't personally been on GTS since the change to weeklies (on holiday atm), so I can't really say that I don't like the change, but I am pretty sure I will be having less fun when I get home than I was having before. 9.1% of voters agree with PD's decision, and this is coming after the update, so the majority of voters will have played the game and developed a true opinion before voting. So in this case, I'm not sure PD have got it right. I don't know if myself and the majority will come to grow on the change eventually, but I would have to see that happen to believe it. My main concern is that PD have had some ulterior motive in this change; or maybe they really just ****** it up. And again, I respect that you and a few others support the change to weeklies, but for now I don't see it being what "the community", if we imagine it as a single body, wants.

Educating us about motorsports...I don't buy that as a reason for weekly races. FIA races are there for those who want to take this game seriously. They have already done a fine job of providing for both tryhards (or whatever non-derogatory term you want to use ) and casuals.

Anyway, I guess that was just about the specific issue of dailies/weeklies. If you do respond about anything else later than I'll happily read it too. Good luck with Uni!

 

[Defiant1776]

The good news is that if you look at the survey responses most of us agree. I think it is important to have both because as you pointed out people need the practice to race in traffic and try and improve his or her DR/SR. The lobbies can be a nightmare but you can find clean rooms which is the best place for practice on multiple tracks. The problem is obvious, you must race outside of the lobbies to improve your DR/SR.

I think the daily races are to short for many new racers. By the time they lose the butterflies and get into a rhythm the races are over. Personally I also feel that the SR is way to easy to achieve. I have been in untold races with supposedly S SR rated drivers only to become one of many bowling pins in the first turn. The game will never be perfect and I think PD listens. They def need to find a balance as the game has its growing pains like anything else. As I posted before, after the second day I was tired of racing the same track(s) but that does not mean that others needed more time to improve and I get bored and feel that to much time on the same track becomes mundane.. I improve my times in the lobbies and then race to bring up my ratings. If I cant find what you want you can create your own lobby (Build it and they will come) I may it clear that it is for practice and clean. I have had to kick people out and have no issues doing so. Maybe the lobbies should add an option to max the rating instead of just a minimum?? This way you can practice with drivers at or just above skill level.

Constructive feedback will improve the game over time. I do not think the current format will do much to improve the game overall. Looking at this weeks races for Intelago's and NB GP we just recently had FIA and Daily's on those tracks. I will race, but not as often this week. I have options and so does everyone else.

 

[Krypton78]

Imagine if the majority wants to add grenade launchers to the cars to make the game interesting? Should we have them then?

YES! Thank you! Finally I know why I had this feeling something is missing in the game!

Or even better, they should call all DS4- controllers and driving- wheels back, like they do it with cars when they have a failure. Afterwards, we get them back, but now with electrodes on each of them. And an extra button. If somebody divebombs you, all you have to do is press the button, and voila, he gets a nice 1000V- electro- answer from you.

Wait, sorry, to much violent- fantasy. Don't take it serious please. 500V should do it also.

 

[fastone371]

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. Even if that means giving the core base what they need not what they want.​

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Would you really buy/play a game that was not what you wanted but instead something someone thought you needed???

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Imagine if the majority wants to add grenade launchers to the cars to make the game interesting? Should we have them then?

Haha! Well we may not have grenade launchers but we do however have homing missiles -- the divebombers . As a matter of fact the racing resembles more of the super mario kart type in the lower skill divisions, complete carnage

 

[twitcher]

You are the troll/dirty player from the other thread, right? Anyway.

In case you haven't noticed, this giant "puzzle" you speak of has long since been assembled and any quantifiable data analysed, obviously not by drivers, but by engineers, architects and physicists. Drivers are provided a script and their job is to execute it in the most efficient way.
The difficulty in racing comes not from memorizing breaking points, apexes , modulating throttle and all the other technical stuff that eventually becomes an instinct rather than active thought. But rather from endurance, consistency and staying calm in a chaotic and hazardous environment. This is the reason i separate online racing from the real thing (which i not disregard, that's just false interpretation on your part).

In a simcade especially, like GTS, any average joe has the potential to compete at the very top. I'm a firm believer of that. There is no extraordinary skill to it that an average person don't have or is unable to develop. Any claim otherwise i recognize simply as a scapegoat mechanism built to divert and mask ones shortcomings and lack of discipline and constitution for improvement.

I’m no dirty driver I got my safety rating to S in 2 days, never once dropped below S - I simply know how to deal with other dirty/crappy drivers. I also have an S safety rating in pcars (highest level). And yes, if people want to take a tongue in cheek comment way too seriously, then I’ll poke and prod them a little bit. I’m also the guy who, in that same thread, posted a video going from 7th to 1st in 3 corners with all clean overtakes. I’m also the guy who’s recently posted a 🤬 load of info trying to help people improve their driving and lap times. I’m also quite active in the motorsport sub forum, where I routinely contribute to discussion.

No idea why what I’ve been doing in other threads has to do with this convo here. You only motivation for writing that opening line is to dry to discredit what I’m saying by mislabeling me as a troll. Nice try pal

So when you play GTS, you have an engineer, an architect, and a physicist at your side analyzing your data for you and telling you where you can make improvements, or how you should set up your car?

Even if all the actions of driving a racecar like judging braking distance, feeling grip levels, managing tire and fuel strategy - even if they all become second nature, it’s still mathematical calculations that your brain is running in the background. It’s no different than catching a baseball...it’s you brain doing math on the the trajectory of the ball that allows you to catch it. You don’t need to pull out a pen and paper to do the calculation, and you don’t need a mathematician at your side doing the calculation for you, your brain does it on its own.

Im a firm believer in that

that’s nice....doesn’t at all make it true.

 

[NosOsH]

I simply think PD is doing this for statistical purposes and to bring out the majority of fast players to at least compete once per track.
Normally im able to qualify within the top 100 within a handful of attempts, but now thats putting me in the top 1000. If I keep trying and trying its still possible to do, but its really taking my ALL to have a chance to be there.
So I think its simply for this month they want to get all the best players times out of the wood works so tbey can get a clearer picture of the best of the best and hopefully they will switch back by the end of the month or add dailies, multiple day and weeklies with most/all classes represented.
There is a maintenance period tonight so who knows what will happen. More info from PD all around would be great.

 

[VBR]

So far, less than 10% of people in the poll want weekly races exclusively. PD seems to have a talent of pleasing the minority, while simultaneously alienating the majority!

 

[sems4arsenal]

What a monumental mistake that is. This will easily kill Sports Mode.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

I’m no dirty driver I got my safety rating to S in 2 days, never once dropped below S - I simply know how to deal with other dirty/crappy drivers. I also have an S safety rating in pcars (highest level). And yes, if people want to take a tongue in cheek comment way too seriously, then I’ll poke and prod them a little bit. I’m also the guy who, in that same thread, posted a video going from 7th to 1st in 3 corners with all clean overtakes. I’m also the guy who’s recently posted a 🤬 load of info trying to help people improve their driving and lap times. I’m also quite active in the motorsport sub forum, where I routinely contribute to discussion.

No idea why what I’ve been doing in other threads has to do with this convo here. You only motivation for writing that opening line is to dry to discredit what I’m saying by mislabeling me as a troll. Nice try pal

So when you play GTS, you have an engineer, an architect, and a physicist at your side analyzing your data for you and telling you where you can make improvements, or how you should set up your car?

Even if all the actions of driving a racecar like judging braking distance, feeling grip levels, managing tire and fuel strategy - even if they all become second nature, it’s still mathematical calculations that your brain is running in the background. It’s no different than catching a baseball...it’s you brain doing math on the the trajectory of the ball that allows you to catch it. You don’t need to pull out a pen and paper to do the calculation, and you don’t need a mathematician at your side doing the calculation for you, your brain does it on its own.

that’s nice....doesn’t at all make it true.

So you have no argument then, great. Come back when you do. Also FYI, the brain makes no calculations but an assessment. Although who knows, maybe you're unique in doing quadratic equations on a whim to calculate the trajectory of a moving object.

 

[twitcher]

So you have no argument then, great. Come back when you do. Also FYI, the brain makes no calculations but an assessment. Although who knows, maybe you're unique in doing quadratic equations on a whim to calculate the trajectory of a moving object.

And your arguement is based off your beliefs and feelings Good chat 👍

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

And your arguement is based off your beliefs and feelings Good chat 👍

I made a perfectly logical conjecture on how it is feasible that an average gamer has the capability and potential to one day reach the top in GTS. Whilst you are rambling on some asinine tangent that has nothing to do with what i initially said.

 

[twitcher]

I made a perfectly logical conjecture on how it is feasible that an average gamer has the capability and potential to one day reach the top in GTS. Whilst you are rambling on some asinine tangent that has nothing to do with what i initially said.

There’s nothing logical about proposing that all able bodied people are able to reach the exact same physical prowess in regards to racing, at the same time as completely disregarding the mental aspects of racing (which you said can be differentiated by genetics). Especially when the only thing that proposal is based off, is your strong beliefs.


Edit: and I wasn’t on an asinine tangent, I was addressing something you brought up (the troll comment), then I got back to the topic at hand.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

There’s nothing logical about proposing that all able bodied people are able to reach the exact same physical prowess in regards to racing, at the same time as completely disregarding the mental aspects of racing (which you said can be differentiated by genetics). Especially when the only thing that proposal is based off, is your strong beliefs.


Edit: and I wasn’t on an asinine tangent, I was addressing something you brought up (the troll comment), then I got back to the topic at hand.

What physical prowess exactly? Being able to remain seated for 15 minutes at a time and maneuver a game pad?

This is getting more absurd by the minute..

 

[twitcher]

What physical prowess exactly? Being able to remain seated for 15 minutes at a time and maneuver a game pad?

This is getting more absurd by the minute..

Steering a wheel with your hands, pressing pedals with your feet. How is that not physical?? You’re right, this is getting rediculous It’s not as physical as driving a real car, but there is a physical aspect to driving in a sim.

 

[Kano Manel]

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Edited: if you have some beef, why don't you solve it in private, or ignore each other, or simply meet in a common location an slap each other for real, and go for a pint afterwards? Just a suggestion.

 

[twitcher]

Narrator: @twitcher and @AUTISTICBOYX ahead in the discussion, just two corners away of the finish line... a perma ban in GTPlanet forum! Who is gonna win? Find out after the commercials


Edited: if you have some beef, why don't you solve it in private, or ignore each other, or simply meet in a common location an slap each other for real, and go for a pint afterwards? Just a suggestion.

There’s no beef We just don’t agree on a certain topic, that’s all.

 

[greor84]

Funny that when the daily races were weekly in the beginning and they changed them to daily people complained about not able to adapt to the track every day but now people are used to it and complain again. I always hated the weekly schedule so I was glad the changed it to daily. There is probably a good reason the change it back (statistic comparison I guess) but I hope they also try variations of both.

I could think of a good reason why they changed to a weekly schedule. This why they can gather much better statistics on how the new tyre model works and how players cope with it. Furthermore it gives the drivers a much better chance to adjust to the new model than having daily new tracks. I think soon there will be a change back to the daily schedules, it is just temporary and is probably related to the new tyre adjustments

 

[Kano Manel]

I could think of a good reason why they changed to a weekly schedule. This why they can gather much better statistics on how the new tyre model works and how players cope with it. Furthermore it gives the drivers a much better chance to adjust to the new model than having daily new tracks. I think soon there will be a change back to the daily schedules, it is just temporary and is probably related to the new tyre adjustments

That is the smartest suggestion in this thread so far. You have a good point there.

So by that rationale everyone can be as fast as say Lewis or Fernando?

Woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

STOP IT THERE MATE

You touched the Fernando button? Really?

Nobody is like Fernando Alonso, Fernando Alonso is a ****ing God of racing. Not because he is spanish (which is cool enough already), not because he is a LeMans 24 champion, no for any of that.

Fernando Alonso is the guy who retired Schumacher. He won the Formula 1 championship against Ferrari in a ****ing renault clio...TWICE.

Nobody is like Magic Alonso, he is unique

 

[fastone371]

Woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

STOP IT THERE MATE

You touched the Fernando button? Really?

Nobody is like Fernando Alonso, Fernando Alonso is a ****ing God of racing. Not because he is spanish (which is cool enough already), not because he is a LeMans 24 champion, no for any of that.

Fernando Alonso is the guy who retired Schumacher. He won the Formula 1 championship against Ferrari in a ****ing renault clio...TWICE.

Nobody is like Magic Alonso, he is unique

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Would it not be fair to then say that Lewis showed Alonso how fast an F1 car can really go????
There is always a star at the end of their career while a new star is emerging in F1. Prost, Senna, Schumi, Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, back to Hammy and now maybe Max or maybe even LeClerc
(or how about Stroll?)

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Why is this discussion going on in 2 threads at the same time. Stop confusing me where I am!

It might be nice if the weekly races at least rotated between A B and C. 5 laps on Big Willow is so little. Second day 8 laps with 16 players, Third day 14 laps with 20 players then back to A. Same for the others, let each track have their time as a daily C at least.

 

[gapper59]

I have seen a lot of elite reactions to the weekly races and I’m deeply concerned.

I know that one of the reasons of the existence of this forum is to help the community, and it works (all of us are better drivers thanks to GTPlantet and the contribution of elite players, for that thank you); because of this you all should be happy because this weekly races thing will make the community better. The level of this community is so low that is appalling:



The real core of this game is all those players struggling to pass from rank D into C and into B, (over 90% of total racers in this game). That's the core of players.

Is it boring for elite players? Yes, an elite player plays every day and needs constant challenge to keep improving, they should prepare at least 2 races more that change every day, mostly for the elite.

But the rest of us, we need this weekly thing, we really do. It means more time to learn the tracks, more time to qualify better, and improve the driving quality (which is very low now). This weekly race plus the last tweaks to the SR (not officially reported in the patches) make the experience of D, C and B racers much better.

So, my dear elite players, please complain in a responsible way. We know the community manager of PD reads, among other things, this forum. If you complain about the weekly races they could remove them, and that is not in the interest of the community.

Complain in a responsible way and make emphasis in adding daily races, not in removing the weekly ones. This way, we all can improve. Please insist in adding, not in removing. Thanks

Very well said IMO.

I'm surprised at all the Venom coming from MOST of the people who dont want weeklies. The attitude seems to be that it's an insult to their Elite Driving skills and it shouldn't be in the game at all, even though alot of people like it. While people that like weeklies are fine having both. It's a good way for casual drivers to improve their skills, maybe that's what they're afraid of.

If PD wants this game to succeed, and wants to cut down on the never ending whining, they need to offer us both dailys and weekly's.

 

[Kano Manel]

Woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

STOP IT THERE MATE

You touched the Fernando button? Really?

Nobody is like Fernando Alonso, Fernando Alonso is a ****ing God of racing. Not because he is spanish (which is cool enough already), not because he is a LeMans 24 champion, no for any of that.

Fernando Alonso is the guy who retired Schumacher. He won the Formula 1 championship against Ferrari in a ****ing renault clio...TWICE.

Nobody is like Magic Alonso, he is unique

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not a single like for the gangsta cat... seriously? not even for Miss Knowles? Disappointing...

 

[HatMarris]

From my own experience this week (and it may just be the tracks that are causing it) the matching may be suggesting numbers are down.

Up to this week I generally got matched against the same DR and SR rated drivers (maybe a couple of exceptions now and then), but yesterday and today the SR ratings are the same but I’m being matched against people from any number of DR ranks. Just had a race with 2 A+ drivers, 1 A, 5 Bs, a few C’s and he rest D’s.

Maybe this is the norm and I was just lucky before but it seems a very big shift in the last couple of days (again, maybe just for me)

 

[Krypton78]

not even for Miss Knowles? Disappointing...

Oh, we can't leave that this way. Your Miss Knowles just got my like dude!

 

[Silver_Wolf]

From my own experience this week (and it may just be the tracks that are causing it) the matching may be suggesting numbers are down.

Up to this week I generally got matched against the same DR and SR rated drivers (maybe a couple of exceptions now and then), but yesterday and today the SR ratings are the same but I’m being matched against people from any number of DR ranks. Just had a race with 2 A+ drivers, 1 A, 5 Bs, a few C’s and he rest D’s.

Maybe this is the norm and I was just lucky before but it seems a very big shift in the last couple of days (again, maybe just for me)

It depends on the time of day.

Here in the UK if I play between 6am and 8am I generally get mixed rank lobbies but then am matched properly between 6pm to about 11pm
and then it starts mixed rank lobbies again.

I am sure numbers are down (or moved into online user lobbies) but the lobbies for me are still always full unless someone is disconnected or
rage quits.

 

[Kano Manel]

I hope in the FIA races happens the same, higer lobbies=better DR and more reward

 

[TheGeologist]

I'm not overly fond of Gr1, but according to KP, there will be no Gr1 races for the "weeklies" next week. For those that are fond of Gr1, the end of next week will mark three consecutive weeks without Gr1 races.

There needs to be a better mix regardless how one feels about car classes.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Wow, Interlagos is dirty tonight. It looks like some people have also learned how to cheat with the penalty system

The car in front is trying to get me to take a penalty for going over the pit line so I slow down. He's allowed to defend his slow pace anyway. Yet the car next to me bumps me twice then moves over to the outside wall to tap it so I get a penalty?! Then he hits me some more for good measure for a red rating for me for the race.

The next race was even dirtier, I reported three people in that one. The rooms tonight are full of red. Is it a blood moon perhaps?

 

[05XR8]

I'm not overly fond of Gr1, but according to KP, there will be no Gr1 races for the "weeklies" next week. For those that are fond of Gr1, the end of next week will mark three consecutive weeks without Gr1 races.

There needs to be a better mix regardless how one feels about car classes.

I guess those of us up to it, could post on Kaz' or GT twitter, requesting a 4th and/or 5th slot for Gr.1/2/3/4/N weekly races.