Deep Forest 100km Endurance Event

[Matej]

Mind if I register? Driver - vandenal. Car - 2000 RUF 3400S. HP/Weight - 389hp/1183kg. P/W Ratio - 3.041

Sure, I'll add you to the list. 👍

I can't submit times for both cars?

Yes, you can and I'll count fastest time no matter what car is in question. However, for formality I need to put one car to your name on current entries list, which one do you want to register ?

I have also updated our participants list with their current choices on post 1.

 

[Jet Badger]

Driver: Jet Badger
Car: BMW M3 CSL '03
Power: 399 HP
Weight: 1218Kg
P/W Ratio: 3.052

I've completed the event BUT I got 'Finished recording replay' message on lap 26 or so. Should I clean up my memory card and do it again?

 

[Matej]

I've completed the event BUT I got 'Finished recording replay' message on lap 26 or so. Should I clean up my memory card and do it again?

Strange, usually this happens after 45 + minutes, but I still need to figure out on which conditions this message appears. You don't have to delete memory card, just run those two missing laps again and add them up together with your current time. It will be like you did two laps before race with full tank.
Also, my memory card is filled with other game slots, but message pops after one hour so I don't think that's a problem. We'll see how other participants will react.

 

[Jet Badger]

I think it stops recording after 100km. And that may have to do with the fact that I was on my "second" try. On the first try the AI spun me out on the 5th lap, so I decided to restart the race, and I didn't exit the menus far enough to reset the lineup.

Anyway, I think I'll do the full race again to make the time actually legit.

 

[thc118]

I'll stick with the R34 then, it averaged half second faster laps anyway.

EDIT:

I'm really enjoying this track and power restrictions. Every car is so well balanced with the 3.0 kg/hp.
I wondered how one of the heavier cars would perform. I was quite surprised with the tank.
If I cared about winning, I'd make this my primary car, but close competition is more fun.

Mercedes SLR McLaren
650 Hp, 1951 kg, 3.000 kg/hp

 

[shotamagee]

I think it stops recording after 100km. And that may have to do with the fact that I was on my "second" try. On the first try the AI spun me out on the 5th lap, so I decided to restart the race, and I didn't exit the menus far enough to reset the lineup.

Anyway, I think I'll do the full race again to make the time actually legit.

I think that if you use a wheel and pedals, your replay file size tends to be much larger, so you get shorter recorded replays, that's my suspicion.
My Nurb 24H notes show my replay for that race lasted for 5:26.000, but I suspect that is because I use a Ds2.

Added Query, If there are to be more events after this one, do we need to use the same car for each event?

 

[Bopop4]

I'm on a wheel and I can go at least 35 minutes without having the replay stop.

 

[Matej]

@shotamagee: This race will be held only once, but it's not problem to create another endurance with similar conditions/cars or maybe to restart current one, if we gonna have enough interest. But whatever happens, you will have option to change your vehicle, for now let's focus on the current event.

Also, I have managed to complete Current Entries list, but be sure to emphasize any mistakes or possible updates so that I can correct them.

I'm really considering to swap Prodrive for something from the UK armoury, it still needs to fulfil my expectations.

Finally, I would say that Finished recording replay message appears depending on track or event you're using (one of the possible conditions.). I hope this might help a bit :

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3863185#post3863185
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2491628#post2491628

 

[Jet Badger]

Same today. Finished recording replay on lap 25 after 35 minutes. Meh, I'm still even worse tuner than driver, got only 1'21,5 ish average laptimes.

 

[Bopop4]

Want some tuning help?
I found that I'm not as bad of a tuner as I originally thought, and it helped a lot with my NSX, so I might be able to help with your M3.

 

[Jet Badger]

I just have no patience to make minor adjustments > test it > make more adjusments > test it > adjust > test > adjust > test > realize that I made the car worse than it was stock > tune it from 0 again > test it > adjust > test >....

The only modifications to my M3 were weight reduction, some power mods, clutch, flywheel, racing brakes and a Close ratio gearbox. I always try to avoid tuning the suspension because after tinkering with it I have no idea if I made it better or worse. I know what parameters do what and how they affect the handling, but I just don't feel any difference.

 

[Bopop4]

I can help you if you let me, and you WILL feel a difference.
Just say the word and I'll message you with what to do.

 

[Jet Badger]

Ok, I'd be grateful

 

[Matej]

Same today. Finished recording replay on lap 25 after 35 minutes. Meh, I'm still even worse tuner than driver, got only 1'21,5 ish average laptimes.

This is a serious problem, not only that we don't know why this message appears on different times but also, not all drivers suffer from this. Personally, today is my first time to fully run this event and I didn't had any problems with replay recording. So far, the best solution is to run missing laps and to add them to total time.

Just to inform, TVR Tamora (350hp /1060kg) is my new vehicle . It's not that Prodrive is a bad vehicle (actually, it's quite good, it oversteers easily and it's much faster) but Tamora is better for following perfect cornering line which makes easy to achieve steady lap times.

 

[Bopop4]

If it's ok with you Matej, I made a new race for when this one is done, it's shorter too, to help alleviate this replay problem.

 

[Matej]

If it's ok with you Matej, I made a new race for when this one is done, it's shorter too, to help alleviate this replay problem.

No problem at all, it really doesn't matter who creates a challenge as long as we all have some fun .

 

[shotamagee]

Ok I've finished testing*, my ride for this will be the;
Nissan 350Z (Z33) '03

Power: 376 Weight:1128 (3.000 mathematical PWR or 3.002 on garage screen)
Parts: NA2, PC Chip, Sport Muffler, Weight reduction S3 (+ 6kg of ballast to get to 3.000 PWR), + all allowable non PWR upgrades.

Now I've just got to do the race.

*No actual testing, just making a database which compares a cars speed with is PWR ratio, and the closeness of that ratio to 3.000, then picking based off that.

 

[shotamagee]

I've just finished and saved my race, and when I divided my time by 29 (warm up + 28 laps) to figure out my average, the maths didn't work. My average lap time was approx 2.0 seconds faster than my actual fastest lap time. Knowing this wasn't right, I double checked my replay (yup the whole thing, albeit fast forwarded). Sure enough I stopped just after the finish line at the start of the 29th lap.

Some ensuing investigating reveals that if you quit the race during your first lap (your warm up lap + your first timed lap, while the race says lap 1) the replay time will be for that time. But if you quit after you complete your warm up lap and 1st lap (so the race screen now says lap2) your replay time will only show the time of your first timed lap and nothing extra.

Eg, your warm up lap takes 1:40.000 (you time it manually) and then your 1st timed lap is 1:30.000, you then quit 20.000 seconds into your second lap. The total time is 3:00.000, but check your replay time, it will say 1:30.000. (When I divide my total race time by 28 it is pretty much what I thought my average time would be.)

This means that your replay is for the 28 timed laps only (nothing before or after), meaning you can take as long as you want on the first lap, and it also means you don't have to exit the race at exactly the start of the 29th lap, you can quit at any time during the 29th lap it won't affect the overall time the replay shows.

If someone else could verify all that, I'd appreciate it. It may prove to be useful info moving forwards.

Also, time submitted, It was a fun race featuring; Only 1 very minor bit of AI contact, A couple of minor offs & 1 big tank-slapper/spin exiting the final corner, apart from that completely clean.

 

[shotamagee]

Dbl post

 

[Matej]

I've just finished and saved my race, and when I divided my time by 29 (warm up + 28 laps) to figure out my average, the maths didn't work. My average lap time was approx 2.0 seconds faster than my actual fastest lap time. Knowing this wasn't right, I double checked my replay (yup the whole thing, albeit fast forwarded). Sure enough I stopped just after the finish line at the start of the 29th lap.

Some ensuing investigating reveals that if you quit the race during your first lap (your warm up lap + your first timed lap, while the race says lap 1) the replay time will be for that time. But if you quit after you complete your warm up lap and 1st lap (so the race screen now says lap2) your replay time will only show the time of your first timed lap and nothing extra.

Eg, your warm up lap takes 1:40.000 (you time it manually) and then your 1st timed lap is 1:30.000, you then quit 20.000 seconds into your second lap. The total time is 3:00.000, but check your replay time, it will say 1:30.000. (When I divide my total race time by 28 it is pretty much what I thought my average time would be.)

This means that your replay is for the 28 timed laps only (nothing before or after), meaning you can take as long as you want on the first lap, and it also means you don't have to exit the race at exactly the start of the 29th lap, you can quit at any time during the 29th lap it won't affect the overall time the replay shows.

If someone else could verify all that, I'd appreciate it. It may prove to be useful info moving forwards.

Also, time submitted, It was a fun race featuring; Only 1 very minor bit of AI contact, A couple of minor offs & 1 big tank-slapper/spin exiting the final corner, apart from that completely clean.

Everything you said is correct, once you fully complete 28 laps Save Replay icon will give you total time for 28 laps only, not counting warm-up lap or extra time you picked on lap 29 before you quited the race. It's nothing special about that but it's interesting to know though.
Basically, it was mine duty to tell that but I thought it wasn't necessary, so I apologize in advance . I'm glad you announce that Shotamagee 👍, this could give better understanding of how Race Meeting /Track Meet actually works.

 

[Bopop4]

I also found this to be a bit weird, I put it off to be something else though, when you cross the line, it shows what lap you are on, and not how many have been completed. (Since the out lap is a bit weird.)
Really think about how many laps you do after 1 out lap plus 1 normal lap, and what the lap timer says, it will say that you are on lap 3 as soon as you cross the line. So what I did was 29 laps take away 1=28, and that gave me a much more realistic lap time.

(If the timer actually changes from when you do the first lap then ignore that.^)
And it won't really matter for the results anyways.


I am going to check this right now.

Edit: Ok good news, I ran a half lap and got a really low time as expected.
Then I ran 1 full lap so that I got a lap time, I also went to the first corner afterwards.
When I went to save the replay it DID NOT have the time for 2 laps, it hap my 1 lap time, and as an added bonus it DID NOT add on the extra time.

So theoretically you could do the 28 laps and then run right to the line of the 29th but not cross it and you would still only have the time for 28 laps.

The lap counter shows what lap you are on, take away "1" to get how many you have actually completed.

 

[shotamagee]

Everything you said is correct, once you fully complete 28 laps Save Replay icon will give you total time for 28 laps only, not counting warm-up lap or extra time you picked on lap 29 before you quited the race. It's nothing special about that but it's interesting to know though.
Basically, it was mine duty to tell that but I thought it wasn't necessary, so I apologize in advance . I'm glad you announce that Shotamagee 👍, this could give better understanding of how Race Meeting /Track Meet actually works.

Well there are some posts on page 1 that say you can't take your time on the warm up lap as the timer is running, we now know this isn't true.
This means anyone who is 'very' competitive 'could' spend about 20mins during the warm up doing doughnuts burning down the fuel (though this would be against the 'spirit' of the rules?), doing that is probably worth about 0.200 seconds per lap though.

 

[Bopop4]

....💡
I'm not like that.
But I may wait a minute to let the Ai catch up so that I might encounter them on the straight instead of a series of corners.

 

[thc118]

You can't fool around much when driving the McLaren. I still had a few laps to go when I noticed that I didn't have a tick of fuel left. It clocked its best lap on number 26.
The Elan would be amazing if that trick was used; I don't believe it burned up even half of its fuel load.

I think I'll get another car in before the deadline... maybe the Subi that got left out.

 

[shotamagee]

You can't fool around much when driving the McLaren. I still had a few laps to go when I noticed that I didn't have a tick of fuel left. It clocked its best lap on number 26.
The Elan would be amazing if that trick was used; I don't believe it burned up even half of its fuel load.

I think I'll get another car in before the deadline... maybe the Subi that got left out.

Lol, its semi realistic then; From memory Clarkson said on Top Gear that if you drive the Merc SLR flat out, It'll empty its fuel tank in 20mins.

 

[Bopop4]

Do you think the weight is measured with a full tank or at empty?
It would give the bigger cars an advantage if it was measured at a full fuel load, they would burn off more weight.
(Really doesn't matter that much because changing the gearing 1 click will make more of a difference.)

 

[Matej]

This means anyone who is 'very' competitive 'could' spend about 20mins during the warm up doing doughnuts burning down the fuel (though this would be against the 'spirit' of the rules?), doing that is probably worth about 0.200 seconds per lap though.

But I may wait a minute to let the Ai catch up so that I might encounter them on the straight instead of a series of corners.

What an interesting theories you guys have here , but I wouldn't go that far either. Going with the full throttle from the start without waiting for anyone provides us fair competing.

EDIT: I have just completed the race, no wall touches, just small two-three microscopic AI contacts. I was very consistent in making similar lap times and without any major mistakes this race was executed perfectly. Best lap times achieved with about 65% of the fuel tank, after that I couldn't beat that lap despite later tank emptiness.

 

[Andy GT]

Hi! Fortunately I'm not too late for this. I just have to find a Mazda to drive in this race.

EDIT: So here's what I'm entering for this:

Andy GT
Mazda RX-8 '03
434HP/1310kg
Power to Weight Ratio: 3.018

 

[Matej]

Just on time Andy GT !

Friendly reminder:
24 hours left till I start posting results.

Current submissions: Thc118, Bopop4, Shotamagee, BH-21, Andy GT, Vandenal, Matej

 

[Jet Badger]

Tommorow I finally have a day off, I will probably submit my time if I don't get the message about the replay 3rd time. Plus I still have to test Bopop4's settings and improve my laptimes