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tl;dr version: The universe is self-compiling, but how does it manage state?
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tl;dr version: The universe is self-compiling, but how does it manage state?
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The best analogy for me to grasp tunneling is frustrated total internal reflection of light. As you might know and can experience by looking at a glass of water light is totally reflected at an interface between two mediums when it enters the interface at more than the critical angle, for details see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_internal_reflection
Now when you bring another medium close to but not touching the interface light is able to get into this third medium. If light would be particles bouncing off the interface this could not happen, but with light being an electromagnetic wave it is not clearly localized at the interface and the electromagnetic field enters the medium behind the interface a short distance. If there is another medium very close to the interface the electromagnetic wave can "tunnel" into that medium and travel there.
You can see this effect when you grip a glass filled with water with your fingers and see your fingerprints through the glass where the walls are reflective due to total internal reflection. Here is a nice explanation of the phenomenon:
http://archive.iypt.org/iypt_book/2011_11_Fingerprints_Croatia_KK_v1.pdf
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Are nuclear weapons the greatest force for love on the planet? When all is said and done, the possibility of nuclear Armageddon means we either GTF on with each other or GTFO.
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Unfortunately, that doesn't stop smaller conflicts from spiralling out of control. It only makes the big boys cautious of taking each other on.
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Nuclear weapons? No. Time.
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That would be strange love, Doctor.
Fear is the key.
Earned reward through threat of punishment is not peace - true peace is absolute security.
And absolute security is impossible in a state of quanta.
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On the animal intelligence scale, it kinda goes like this:
- Amoeba (I don't know what the heck is going on right now)
- Insect (get food, get food, bite that human, get food, get food)
- squirrel (get food, get food, run away!, ouch! I'm not doing that again, get food, you can't catch me dog!)
- dog (determine pecking order, perform pack hunt according to status, eat according to status, let's see if we can finally catch that stupid squir.... a ball!)
- dolphin (develop social order, communicate hunting instructions, let's hang out with those guys on the boat... I'm gonna do a flip for the hell of it, just because I have too much energy)
Humans are kinda like dolphins, except we have a few more levels we can get to:
- I need to borrow that guy's hammer, I should be nice to him (chimps do this too)
- If I write this thing down, the people I care about in my social organization will benefit (early man)
- People are dumb, I hate socializing, gawd I can't even right now... (Hipster)
- People are dumb, but I need people, so I'll socialize even though I don't want to. (Clinton)
- People are dumb, and I'm smart enough to make people need ME, so I don't need to socialize (Dr. House)
- People are dumb, and I'm smart enough to make people need me, but I'll be even more effective if people like me too (Manoj Bhargava, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk)
If you watch the big cats in africa (which house cats have some similarities to) the behave very much like the squirrel. We'll call that level 3. They see food, they chase food. They're not terribly good at working together with other cats. Some of them attempt to do it but they're not like African dogs when it comes to hunting. They mostly rely on agility, speed and power to overcome their prey.
But when cat people say they think cats are better than dog, they always say it's because the dog's need for socialization is a weakness. The cat doesn't "need" me they say, and they think that's smarter. Basically what they think that is is level 8 on my list (possibly 10). They think the cat is TOO SMART to value socialization. Oh it understands socialization, but it's smart enough to think that it's stupid. They basically think the cat is an annoyed hipster.
If you think that... you are totally wrong. What you're doing is anthropomorphising cats to such a degree that you're mistaking "dumber that dogs" for "smarter than some people". You've lost complete sight of what's going on around you at that point. You're projecting your own twisted view of reality so heavily that you're ascribing levels of intelligence to animals that they couldn't POSSIBLY hope to achieve. Because you've reached the Hipster level on my chart, you project value to that kind of behavior onto something that accidentally behaves the same way but for far stupider reasons.
People do this with lots of dumb animals. Horses are another favorite, but I've also seen people do it with cows (almost insect level intelligence), and when they do they seem to inevitably become vegan. Not because cows are smart, but because they can't stop anthropomorphising.
- Amoeba (I don't know what the heck is going on right now)
- Insect (get food, get food, bite that human, get food, get food)
- squirrel (get food, get food, run away!, ouch! I'm not doing that again, get food, you can't catch me dog!)
- dog (determine pecking order, perform pack hunt according to status, eat according to status, let's see if we can finally catch that stupid squir.... a ball!)
- dolphin (develop social order, communicate hunting instructions, let's hang out with those guys on the boat... I'm gonna do a flip for the hell of it, just because I have too much energy)
Humans are kinda like dolphins, except we have a few more levels we can get to:
- I need to borrow that guy's hammer, I should be nice to him (chimps do this too)
- If I write this thing down, the people I care about in my social organization will benefit (early man)
- People are dumb, I hate socializing, gawd I can't even right now... (Hipster)
- People are dumb, but I need people, so I'll socialize even though I don't want to. (Clinton)
- People are dumb, and I'm smart enough to make people need ME, so I don't need to socialize (Dr. House)
- People are dumb, and I'm smart enough to make people need me, but I'll be even more effective if people like me too (Manoj Bhargava, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk)
If you watch the big cats in africa (which house cats have some similarities to) the behave very much like the squirrel. We'll call that level 3. They see food, they chase food. They're not terribly good at working together with other cats. Some of them attempt to do it but they're not like African dogs when it comes to hunting. They mostly rely on agility, speed and power to overcome their prey.
But when cat people say they think cats are better than dog, they always say it's because the dog's need for socialization is a weakness. The cat doesn't "need" me they say, and they think that's smarter. Basically what they think that is is level 8 on my list (possibly 10). They think the cat is TOO SMART to value socialization. Oh it understands socialization, but it's smart enough to think that it's stupid. They basically think the cat is an annoyed hipster.
If you think that... you are totally wrong. What you're doing is anthropomorphising cats to such a degree that you're mistaking "dumber that dogs" for "smarter than some people". You've lost complete sight of what's going on around you at that point. You're projecting your own twisted view of reality so heavily that you're ascribing levels of intelligence to animals that they couldn't POSSIBLY hope to achieve. Because you've reached the Hipster level on my chart, you project value to that kind of behavior onto something that accidentally behaves the same way but for far stupider reasons.
People do this with lots of dumb animals. Horses are another favorite, but I've also seen people do it with cows (almost insect level intelligence), and when they do they seem to inevitably become vegan. Not because cows are smart, but because they can't stop anthropomorphising.
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You guys flunked French then?
That said...
http://www.theguardian.com/business...ustomer-demand-in-selling-straight-croissants
That said...
http://www.theguardian.com/business...ustomer-demand-in-selling-straight-croissants
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I've been thinking about this for quite some time. I posted it to my FaceBook earlier today and just wanted to see if anyone had any response to it here? Also, I know some of you may not believe in God, but just read around those parts/replace to get my general idea:
It's crazy to me to think how blind and naive society as a whole can be. Here we stand as a world that lets materialism, wealth, fame, goverment and organized religion control our lives. No one knows how to think on their own and God forbid anyone stand up for their individual beliefs instead of joining the crowd. The truth is that everyone is brainwashed from the day they're born to believe and act as our elders want us to believe and act. This takes away from the capability of being a true individual when they want us all to be the same. It's just a big scheme to keep the top powerful and wealthy and keep the bottom walking around clueless thinking they have a chance in this world and struggling to get by. It's sad to me that a human would treat another human this way, but it's the truth.
Break free from the restraints and form your own beliefs. Take joy in the real things of the world not the superficial. Our planet is a gift from God and our only chance at survival and we are destroying it quicker than anyone could ever imagine. If you choose to go to church, please still be an individual .... There is no need for you to follow the crowd or be a "sheep" just because you believe in God.
Hapiness is not found in money or power, it is found when we discover ourselves for the first time.
It's crazy to me to think how blind and naive society as a whole can be. Here we stand as a world that lets materialism, wealth, fame, goverment and organized religion control our lives. No one knows how to think on their own and God forbid anyone stand up for their individual beliefs instead of joining the crowd. The truth is that everyone is brainwashed from the day they're born to believe and act as our elders want us to believe and act. This takes away from the capability of being a true individual when they want us all to be the same. It's just a big scheme to keep the top powerful and wealthy and keep the bottom walking around clueless thinking they have a chance in this world and struggling to get by. It's sad to me that a human would treat another human this way, but it's the truth.
Break free from the restraints and form your own beliefs. Take joy in the real things of the world not the superficial. Our planet is a gift from God and our only chance at survival and we are destroying it quicker than anyone could ever imagine. If you choose to go to church, please still be an individual .... There is no need for you to follow the crowd or be a "sheep" just because you believe in God.
Hapiness is not found in money or power, it is found when we discover ourselves for the first time.
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From this I can only gather that what you're seeing around you in your part of the world is what you have described above. Plenty of the world have been fighting 'the man' for decades, even centuries. Truth is that normal life in the mainstream isn't that bad and some of the masses need the conformity to continue their daily lives. Religion is just another 'the man'.
There are people on this site who you can speak to who don't fit the description above. Even myself, I'm half in and half out (of sheepism, not religion).
And saying that our planet is a gift from God in the same post as a statement lamenting the control religion has over the majority is a bit contradictory, wouldn't you say?
I'd say this planet isn't a gift at all, just a random cluster of space rocks that got super-molded into a ball. It is a rather nice ball though.
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I was speaking more on the aspect of "organized" religion than religion itself, but I do see what you're saying as far as the contradiction. As far as the planetary position you stated, that is more of a belief concerning the debate of God or no God, which is a different topic all together.
I will agree with you that my viewpoint/post most likely has much to do with my location. I reside in the United States, and it looks like you in the United Kingdom. I'm not 100% sure how things are there, but here it is all exactly how I described in my post. I'm sure much of it has to do with the difference in government structures, but I still do not see how people can aimlessly walk around and think in a manner that seems so controlled from the top.
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Only really paid attention to French lessons when watching movies either French dubbed with English subtitles or in English with French subtitles. Wasn't very effective as brain automatically concentrated on the English element and blocked out the French part.
Recently only had straight croissants, didn't realise they should be crescent shaped. I wonder technically if it is still a croissant if it's straight?
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Yeah, unfortunately this is the way the world is.
It doesn't mean you have to conform though.You obviously see the issue and are in some ways trying to address it, but short of throwing convention out the window and going to live off grid, surviving on the land and being a social outcast there is a certain amount of compliance we all need to adhere to to exist in modern society.
I wish it wasn't so, but that's the way it is.
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Haha I love the humor! You're right though. There must be a certain level of compliance to exist with modern society, but it still does not need to involve losing yourself to do so. Unfortunately this is not how most see it.... or perhaps they don't even realize it
I don't think everyone needs to realize it. If people are content to live clueless to their conformity, then why change them? They say 'ignorance is bliss,' and in some ways awareness actually makes it harder, you want to make a change. You want to convince yourself you're not another "lost to conformity." And if you can't find a way to make the change without being ridiculous, you feel worse.
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I have a long list of things that can make me think people are insane.
- Religion
- Being "broke"
- Being a Democrat or Republican (or insert non-US political party here if you prefer)
- Liking ranch salad dressing
and, almost 100% of the time
- Discussing morality with anyone
When it comes down to it, I actually don't know that many people who don't have some aspect to their worldview that I'd consider insanity. As a result, I end up having casual friendly relationships with lots of people who, at least in some respect, I think are out of their minds. At the moment I'm kinda wondering how I function in society at all given this. How do I interact with people when I know that on some level I think they're crazy. I had a friend who I worked with who thought that the Earth is 6000 years old. How did I work with this person? How was I friends with this person? Somehow I have my own cognitive dissonance that enables me to compartmentalize the cognitive dissonance of the people I associate with.
- Religion
- Being "broke"
- Being a Democrat or Republican (or insert non-US political party here if you prefer)
- Liking ranch salad dressing
and, almost 100% of the time
- Discussing morality with anyone
When it comes down to it, I actually don't know that many people who don't have some aspect to their worldview that I'd consider insanity. As a result, I end up having casual friendly relationships with lots of people who, at least in some respect, I think are out of their minds. At the moment I'm kinda wondering how I function in society at all given this. How do I interact with people when I know that on some level I think they're crazy. I had a friend who I worked with who thought that the Earth is 6000 years old. How did I work with this person? How was I friends with this person? Somehow I have my own cognitive dissonance that enables me to compartmentalize the cognitive dissonance of the people I associate with.
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I have thoughts on people clinging on tradition like they would die if it no longer existed. I feel a lot of things in this world are so outdated that I feel like it is keeping us back. For a future where we desire everyone to be open, free, accepting and be treated fairly but a lot of traditions people cling onto completely bipolar this desire. I do think a lot of traditions should go away and people need to accept that things are simply not made to last forever and let things go when it has run its course as it'll just look silly and stupid if it continues and breaks the logic and desire that most want. What happened in the past will never be erased, we can't control what has happend, so I find it unnecessary to keep things unchanged due to tradition.
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I recently listened to a podcast where someone talked about
time anomalies, multiple alternate universes and parallell time
lines and how we create new branches of universes with each
decision we make in life.
Like each time a decision is made or when something major
happens you splinter the time stream and you actually have a
new universe that is created, for example when you're going down
the road and if you turn right a universe is created for that and
if you turn left a universe is created for that.
I guess that would work for all life and not only humans. After all
we haven't been here very long and in some aspects we're quite
insignificant.
I enjoy subjects like that and about space and time in general.
Like where do our loved ones go when they die. Are they in another
reality or universe to ours.
So let's say we create new universes all the time and still get to come
home to our houses and everything is the same each new day and our
friends and families are there and they're unchanged, how would it actually
work because they themselves are also creating new universes of their own.
Millions of alternate universes must have been created just during the making
of this rambling post. But I'm OK with that. Looks like I'm still here anyway
and nothing major has changed as far as I can tell.
time anomalies, multiple alternate universes and parallell time
lines and how we create new branches of universes with each
decision we make in life.
Like each time a decision is made or when something major
happens you splinter the time stream and you actually have a
new universe that is created, for example when you're going down
the road and if you turn right a universe is created for that and
if you turn left a universe is created for that.
I guess that would work for all life and not only humans. After all
we haven't been here very long and in some aspects we're quite
insignificant.
I enjoy subjects like that and about space and time in general.
Like where do our loved ones go when they die. Are they in another
reality or universe to ours.
So let's say we create new universes all the time and still get to come
home to our houses and everything is the same each new day and our
friends and families are there and they're unchanged, how would it actually
work because they themselves are also creating new universes of their own.
Millions of alternate universes must have been created just during the making
of this rambling post. But I'm OK with that. Looks like I'm still here anyway
and nothing major has changed as far as I can tell.
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