Depression and Anxiety Thread

[UnkaD]

Have you been looking for another job or is looking after your mum too full time?

It changes day to day, but I mostly worry about her stressing out over something if I'm not there. She constantly has to ask me about small things she has done or needs to do and often asks the same thing 5 times within 10 minutes. A simple conversation can easily become a circular loop and I have to pick and choose what I tell her to break it. It is to the point where she doesn't remember her meals or if she's cooking. My dad's home for good now, but he just explodes in temper tantrums and the situation devolves. He has absolutely no patience for her and I end up feeling worse about everything. If I was to find work it would have to be a part time morning thing to make sure I have enough energy for the rest of the day. I've sort of become the nanny around here, sad to say. The worst part is all my income will drop straight to my loan payments which I'm already behind on.

I have picked up drawing again and I hope to have something substantial to post online and kick off my little series. I don't want to put it up until I have at least a full chapter to show, then it's just about whatever steady stream of pages I can produce and hoping that enough people are interested in keeping it going. I'm not the best artist but I feel it's good enough for the story-telling.

 

[HenrySwanson]

It changes day to day, but I mostly worry about her stressing out over something if I'm not there. She constantly has to ask me about small things she has done or needs to do and often asks the same thing 5 times within 10 minutes. A simple conversation can easily become a circular loop and I have to pick and choose what I tell her to break it. It is to the point where she doesn't remember her meals or if she's cooking. My dad's home for good now, but he just explodes in temper tantrums and the situation devolves. He has absolutely no patience for her and I end up feeling worse about everything. If I was to find work it would have to be a part time morning thing to make sure I have enough energy for the rest of the day. I've sort of become the nanny around here, sad to say. The worst part is all my income will drop straight to my loan payments which I'm already behind on.

I have picked up drawing again and I hope to have something substantial to post online and kick off my little series. I don't want to put it up until I have at least a full chapter to show, then it's just about whatever steady stream of pages I can produce and hoping that enough people are interested in keeping it going. I'm not the best artist but I feel it's good enough for the story-telling.

Did the doctors offer any differentials (possible diagnoses)?

 

[UnkaD]

Did the doctors offer any differentials (possible diagnoses)?

Doctors have been no help. Just endless referrals to other specialists with endless scans and tests that lead absolutely nowhere. Two years of this and we just gave up. Felt like they were just milking us.

 

[JohnBM01]

May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and that includes things such as depression. So make sure to be able to find support if you require support for various mental health issues, including depression.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Doctors have been no help. Just endless referrals to other specialists with endless scans and tests that lead absolutely nowhere. Two years of this and we just gave up. Felt like they were just milking us.

Damn, that's rough. And your home situation sounds like it's feeding the depression.

Keep up with the creative stuff though, you need an outlet

 

[UnkaD]

Damn, that's rough. And your home situation sounds like it's feeding the depression.

Keep up with the creative stuff though, you need an outlet

edit: Sorry, thought I was responding to another post.

I'm drawing a lot more, and keeping my hands busy helps keep me focused.

 

[Jezza819]

I've been told that it's a form of depression but I have a problem with intense anger. I have an awful temper and a very short fuse. It doesn't take much to set me off and when it happens, especially here at home, it's an extended period of screaming, hitting things, throwing things, or sometimes hitting myself. My thing to throw is usually my racing gloves because they're right here in the living room on my rig and because if I'm playing PCars2 and I've spun off or made some stupid mistake, I lose it and start screaming and throwing gloves. The least little things set me off. Bump into a door facing, pick something up and drop it, can't figure something out, etc.

At work what sets me off is to make a mistake or to be under pressure trying to do multiple things at one time. One or two technicians in front of me wanting something and the phone rings, I lose it. On the phone and another call rings in on top of the one I'm on, I lose it. Phone call and I can barely hear the person, I lose it. I don't multitask. Multitasking is a very dirty word to me. My move at work when I get angry is to slam my hand down very hard and very loudly on my counter or to kick something. Our general manager tends to come up from behind us to talk to us or give us something but I rarely notice he's there. In 11 years how he's not walked up when I'm in the middle of a meltdown and fired me on the spot is remarkable.

I have injured myself many times over the years with these temper tantrums. I've bruised hands from punching very hard objects. I've caused myself to limp around for a bit from kicking walls or other things. I thought I broke a finger while I was in college because I slammed my hand down on a metal folding chair but forgot I had my key chain slipped over my finger. Trying to put together this chair I'm sitting in now, after dropping the washers down into the upper bolster for about the 6th time in a row I just started head butting it. A few seconds later I felt a trickle of blood running down my nose.

A lot of my frustration comes from not being good at anything EVER. I can't focus on anything for more than just a few seconds. I can't concentrate at all. Back when I played sports I wasn't very good I was just ok. I'm not a good racer in these games, I'm just ok. I'm not very good at my job, I'm just ok. I don't know how to do things. I don't have good common sense. One of the worst things to tell me is, "oh that's easy anyone can do it". That starts my blood boiling because I know I can't do it. I don't learn things. I can't remember things. Now this bad temper isn't just a recent thing. I'm 52 years old now and I've had this problem for as far back as I can remember.

I have a new doctor because the doctor I've had for 11 years formed this medical association and he no longer sees patients so I mentioned this problem to my new doctor at my last appointment and she suggested that I try Wellbutrin. She said it is designed to kind of take the edge off and give you a happier feeling without turning you into a Zombie or other significant side effects because I told her I really wanted to avoid that if possible. But so far after nearly three weeks on it I haven't felt anything at all positive from it. I still lash out, I still lose my mind at the smallest things.

Has anyone else had any experience with Wellbutrin?

All I know is that I'm ready for this to stop. I'm too old to keep carrying on like this. I don't want to lose my job or my apartment as a result of a total meltdown over something that most people just shrug off. I just don't know why I can't be happy. I'm just angry from the minute I wake up until I go to sleep at night.

 

[W3H5]

I've been told that it's a form of depression but I have a problem with intense anger. I have an awful temper and a very short fuse. It doesn't take much to set me off and when it happens, especially here at home, it's an extended period of screaming, hitting things, throwing things, or sometimes hitting myself. My thing to throw is usually my racing gloves because they're right here in the living room on my rig and because if I'm playing PCars2 and I've spun off or made some stupid mistake, I lose it and start screaming and throwing gloves. The least little things set me off. Bump into a door facing, pick something up and drop it, can't figure something out, etc.

At work what sets me off is to make a mistake or to be under pressure trying to do multiple things at one time. One or two technicians in front of me wanting something and the phone rings, I lose it. On the phone and another call rings in on top of the one I'm on, I lose it. Phone call and I can barely hear the person, I lose it. I don't multitask. Multitasking is a very dirty word to me. My move at work when I get angry is to slam my hand down very hard and very loudly on my counter or to kick something. Our general manager tends to come up from behind us to talk to us or give us something but I rarely notice he's there. In 11 years how he's not walked up when I'm in the middle of a meltdown and fired me on the spot is remarkable.

I have injured myself many times over the years with these temper tantrums. I've bruised hands from punching very hard objects. I've caused myself to limp around for a bit from kicking walls or other things. I thought I broke a finger while I was in college because I slammed my hand down on a metal folding chair but forgot I had my key chain slipped over my finger. Trying to put together this chair I'm sitting in now, after dropping the washers down into the upper bolster for about the 6th time in a row I just started head butting it. A few seconds later I felt a trickle of blood running down my nose.

A lot of my frustration comes from not being good at anything EVER. I can't focus on anything for more than just a few seconds. I can't concentrate at all. Back when I played sports I wasn't very good I was just ok. I'm not a good racer in these games, I'm just ok. I'm not very good at my job, I'm just ok. I don't know how to do things. I don't have good common sense. One of the worst things to tell me is, "oh that's easy anyone can do it". That starts my blood boiling because I know I can't do it. I don't learn things. I can't remember things. Now this bad temper isn't just a recent thing. I'm 52 years old now and I've had this problem for as far back as I can remember.

I have a new doctor because the doctor I've had for 11 years formed this medical association and he no longer sees patients so I mentioned this problem to my new doctor at my last appointment and she suggested that I try Wellbutrin. She said it is designed to kind of take the edge off and give you a happier feeling without turning you into a Zombie or other significant side effects because I told her I really wanted to avoid that if possible. But so far after nearly three weeks on it I haven't felt anything at all positive from it. I still lash out, I still lose my mind at the smallest things.

Has anyone else had any experience with Wellbutrin?

All I know is that I'm ready for this to stop. I'm too old to keep carrying on like this. I don't want to lose my job or my apartment as a result of a total meltdown over something that most people just shrug off. I just don't know why I can't be happy. I'm just angry from the minute I wake up until I go to sleep at night.

This video is for you:



I’ve watched it several time to get the message into my head (not that I’ve had too big an issue with rage) and it really helps. Hope it can help you too.

 

[kikie]

I've been told that it's a form of depression but I have a problem with intense anger. ...............

Have you ever tried relaxation or meditation? It takes a while to get the hang of it or even get results but I can assure you that, if done properly and regulaly it could help control you anger.

This video is for you:



I’ve watched it several time to get the message into my head (not that I’ve had too big an issue with rage) and it really helps. Hope it can help you too.

Thanks! Very interesting.

I'm going to keep this youtube clip.

 

[Jezza819]

Have you ever tried relaxation or meditation? It takes a while to get the hang of it or even get results but I can assure you that, if done properly and regulaly it could help control you anger.

No because I can't clear my mind to do that. That's my lack of concentration and focus issue preventing me from doing that. My mind constantly is racing from this fraction of a thought to another fraction of a thought.

 

[kikie]

No because I can't clear my mind to do that. That's my lack of concentration and focus issue preventing me from doing that. My mind constantly is racing from this fraction of a thought to another fraction of a thought.

You don't have to clear your mind. That is a misconception. You only have to concetrate on your breathing, slow in and slow out. Thoughts going through your mind is no problem at all. Don't concetrate on your thoughts, concentrate on your breathing. Don't mind your thoughts. If your mind wonders off from your breath, try to shift your focus back to your breath.
Every beginning is difficult and if you persist, you will notice that it gets easier. Start with concetrating on your breath for about one minutes. If you can manage that aftera while, concetrate a little bit longer.

It is worth while trying to do relaxation exercises.


Practice makes perfect.

 

[Imari]

No because I can't clear my mind to do that. That's my lack of concentration and focus issue preventing me from doing that. My mind constantly is racing from this fraction of a thought to another fraction of a thought.

At the risk of playing internet doctor, have you looked into adult ADHD? It doesn't always present exactly the way the stereotypes would have you believe. If you are finding it very hard/impossible to actually focus there may be something there.

There may also not be, it may just be something you have to deal with. But it's probably worth looking into. Just because you're 52 doesn't mean that it can't be true. Adult ADHD is very much a thing, it's just that as adult most people have either internalised the symptoms as part of their personality or found ways to work around them.

 

[Jezza819]

At the risk of playing internet doctor, have you looked into adult ADHD? It doesn't always present exactly the way the stereotypes would have you believe. If you are finding it very hard/impossible to actually focus there may be something there.

There may also not be, it may just be something you have to deal with. But it's probably worth looking into. Just because you're 52 doesn't mean that it can't be true. Adult ADHD is very much a thing, it's just that as adult most people have either internalised the symptoms as part of their personality or found ways to work around them.

I have kind of thought about something like that in the past and even though my new doctor hasn't mentioned that specifically that may be where she's heading with this Wellbutrin. I'm on 150mg right now and like I said earlier I can't feel anything positive from it so maybe I need to increase the dosage but I hope nothing negative comes along with that. I have another appointment next week where I'm supposed to tell her how I've been since I started taking it.

I almost do think something has to be wrong with my mind because if I'm under direct pressure like my boss is asking me a question that I really don't have a quick answer for I can feel physical pressure inside my head. Don't know if that is a direct symptom of ADHD but I do feel very strange when that happens.

 

[kikie]

I have kind of thought about something like that in the past and even though my new doctor hasn't mentioned that specifically that may be where she's heading with this Wellbutrin. I'm on 150mg right now and like I said earlier I can't feel anything positive from it so maybe I need to increase the dosage but I hope nothing negative comes along with that. I have another appointment next week where I'm supposed to tell her how I've been since I started taking it.

I almost do think something has to be wrong with my mind because if I'm under direct pressure like my boss is asking me a question that I really don't have a quick answer for I can feel physical pressure inside my head. Don't know if that is a direct symptom of ADHD but I do feel very strange when that happens.

Hypnotherapy for anger management could also help.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I've been told that it's a form of depression but I have a problem with intense anger. I have an awful temper and a very short fuse. It doesn't take much to set me off and when it happens, especially here at home, it's an extended period of screaming, hitting things, throwing things, or sometimes hitting myself. My thing to throw is usually my racing gloves because they're right here in the living room on my rig and because if I'm playing PCars2 and I've spun off or made some stupid mistake, I lose it and start screaming and throwing gloves. The least little things set me off. Bump into a door facing, pick something up and drop it, can't figure something out, etc.

At work what sets me off is to make a mistake or to be under pressure trying to do multiple things at one time. One or two technicians in front of me wanting something and the phone rings, I lose it. On the phone and another call rings in on top of the one I'm on, I lose it. Phone call and I can barely hear the person, I lose it. I don't multitask. Multitasking is a very dirty word to me. My move at work when I get angry is to slam my hand down very hard and very loudly on my counter or to kick something. Our general manager tends to come up from behind us to talk to us or give us something but I rarely notice he's there. In 11 years how he's not walked up when I'm in the middle of a meltdown and fired me on the spot is remarkable.

I have injured myself many times over the years with these temper tantrums. I've bruised hands from punching very hard objects. I've caused myself to limp around for a bit from kicking walls or other things. I thought I broke a finger while I was in college because I slammed my hand down on a metal folding chair but forgot I had my key chain slipped over my finger. Trying to put together this chair I'm sitting in now, after dropping the washers down into the upper bolster for about the 6th time in a row I just started head butting it. A few seconds later I felt a trickle of blood running down my nose.

A lot of my frustration comes from not being good at anything EVER. I can't focus on anything for more than just a few seconds. I can't concentrate at all. Back when I played sports I wasn't very good I was just ok. I'm not a good racer in these games, I'm just ok. I'm not very good at my job, I'm just ok. I don't know how to do things. I don't have good common sense. One of the worst things to tell me is, "oh that's easy anyone can do it". That starts my blood boiling because I know I can't do it. I don't learn things. I can't remember things. Now this bad temper isn't just a recent thing. I'm 52 years old now and I've had this problem for as far back as I can remember.

I have a new doctor because the doctor I've had for 11 years formed this medical association and he no longer sees patients so I mentioned this problem to my new doctor at my last appointment and she suggested that I try Wellbutrin. She said it is designed to kind of take the edge off and give you a happier feeling without turning you into a Zombie or other significant side effects because I told her I really wanted to avoid that if possible. But so far after nearly three weeks on it I haven't felt anything at all positive from it. I still lash out, I still lose my mind at the smallest things.

Has anyone else had any experience with Wellbutrin?

All I know is that I'm ready for this to stop. I'm too old to keep carrying on like this. I don't want to lose my job or my apartment as a result of a total meltdown over something that most people just shrug off. I just don't know why I can't be happy. I'm just angry from the minute I wake up until I go to sleep at night.

Could it be a personality disorder - have you googled that? Antisocial/borderline maybe?

 

[Jezza819]

Could it be a personality disorder - have you googled that? Antisocial/borderline maybe?

I haven't done that yet.

 

[kikie]

Wellbutrin is for depression, ADHD. It takes at least 4 weeks before it starts to work. And even then, the positive effects won't be apparent immediately.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I've been thinking about going back to the Doctors recently. Nothing prescribed over 20 years of sporadic visits has ever really had any effect, and I suspect therapy will be suggested - which I really don't think will be effective and would probably resist anyway.

To be fair, my depression has evolved over time.. in my teens it was one thing, now approaching 40 it's another. Whilst circumstances have lead me to have a different perspective on my, so far, wasted life, the anxiety that has replaced more 'traditional' depression is as paralysing as it can be without misusing the word 'literally'! and it is ruining my life. I've found by far the most noticeable thing I've ever taken for my state of mind is St. Johns Wort, which despite being an over-the-counter 'remedy' has a noticeable effect within 3-4 hours... As opposed to the 4-8 weeks anything prescription has ever achieved. Unfortunately, the effects are becoming more short-lived (i.e. a few hours), and I've already taken a lot more of it, for a lot longer than is recommended. I can't keep on doing nothing about (well actually I can.. inaction is amazingly easy with this level of anxiety!)... but I need to do something about it for the sake of others around me.

Part of the problem is that now I've decided that this is something I need to achieve, it pretty much instantly becomes an unassailable task, and sadly this represents the situation with so many things from opening a letter, to putting my bins out for collection on a weekly basis, to buying some shoes that aren't falling apart to getting my car fixed, to any number of other tasks I'm totally incapable of actioning... and don't even get me started on my job!

Being honest, I really do also have quite a drink problem now too... like, more than I did when it was fun, could afford it, and wasn't getting words confused in general conversation... and I can't ignore that there are substantial financial issues having a severe effect on me too... so it could just be related to those things... but I have a trigger point that I used to reach during the height of depression, that should - in no uncertain way - tell my brain that it's time for action.. and I reached that point a few weeks ago.... think my brain might be ignoring me these days sadly.

 

[Jezza819]

Wellbutrin is for depression, ADHD. It takes at least 4 weeks before it starts to work. And even then, the positive effects won't be apparent immediately.

Then I probably don't want to bump up the dosage just yet.

 

[kikie]

Then I probably don't want to bump up the dosage just yet.

Not without the consent of your doctor. Don't self medicate.

Antidepressant has to be build up in your brain. It can't or is rather difficult to pass the blood-brain barrier. That's why it takes at least 4 weeks before the medication starts to work.

About the side effects. You will have side effects but the longer you take the medication, the more your body gets use to the medication and the side effects will diminish.

 

[Jezza819]

Not without the consent of your doctor. Don't self medicate.

No I meant the doctor probably won't want to bump up the dosage this early into the trial.

 

[Michael88]

To anyone who is feeling depressed, I've always thought I was depressed until now, because my health is currently completely trashed. So if you are feeling depressed but your body is still working fine things aren't nearly as bad as they seem. Really.

Be happy you are not terrified whenever you have to go to the toilet, be happy you are not having terrible stomach cramps so bad you want to crawl up the walls and cannot sleep, be happy you do not have blood flowing out of your rear exit for weeks and be happy you do not have to undergo some pretty nasty examinations and treatments in the hospital.

Being broke, having no friends, no girlfriend, family troubles - all this becomes absolutely meaningless the second your health is compromised and real hell begins. And I am saying this as someone who has been suffering from clinical depression for 13 years.

So if your body is working fine rejoice for thats by far the most important thing in this world.

As for me, as my body is failing I'm in hell right now, but I'll fight my way out of this pit with tooth and claws.

 

[Touring Mars]

The lead singer of one of Scotland's most popular up-and-coming indie bands has gone missing, and there are serious concerns for his safety.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44067637

Worryingly, one of his most infamous songs explicitly discusses suicide by jumping from the Forth Road Bridge (near Edinburgh) - and he was last seen leaving a hotel at 1 am yesterday morning... situated right next to the bridge. His friends, family and fans are all hoping that the obvious has not come to pass, but he remains missing as of today - the out-pouring of support on social media is quite amazing, but alas it might be too late (though I sincerely hope not). According to a friend of mine, he left his phone behind after tweeting "I'm away now, thanks" so the chances are that he will not have seen any of the hundreds (if not thousands) of messages of support, which is very sad - but what is clear from those messages (from close friends to complete strangers) is that he was clearly held in very high esteem both as a person and as an artist, with many messages saying that his music has helped them through tough times.

edit (11/5): sadly a body has now been found and his family have been informed - very sad news, and a terrible pity that he was seemingly either unaware of (or unaffected by) the huge amount of appreciation there was out there of him.

 

[lbpomg95]

I'm in a rut right now. Compared to two years ago, life is good. Very good. At the start of last year I was still employed, working for awful, awful people. Now, I'm self-employed. I started my own business last year, and it's looking like it's going to be successful. I'm getting busier and busier with every month. In just over a year I have earned 1.5 times my original outlay, not something many startup businesses can say. I have good friends who I see fairly often, maybe not as much as I'd like to, but they have their own lives. I'm fitter than I've ever been and all three of my cars are working well.

Yet still something feels wrong. This tiny, nagging feeling tucked away in the back of my head. Sometimes I can't do a job to the standard I'd like, and sometimes I see a post on social media from my competition, and my stomach just churns. Sometimes it happens when I see people I know who are doing better financially, or who have already moved out of their parents' house, or are getting married while I sit here, still single. And my stomach churns.

It feels like I'm stuck in my own head. There's a bitter, petty, horrible version of myself that thinks I'm going to fail, and wants everyone else to feel this same festering feel that I do, or to fail so I feel better about it. The Liam you see appears happy. He smiles, he jokes, he works hard, but the other Liam that no one ever sees is an angry, grumbling little rat who haunts me.

But what do I have to worry about or grumble about? Nothing. I'm not sure why I'm posting this, but I feel like I need to try and get something off my chest - it's not like I'm going to find the answer by posting, it's likely right in front of me - something I simply have to work for, and yet finding motivation is difficult. Even my go-to Brian Eno album full of ambient music is failing to help. I used to be able to listen to the sounds, isolate my mind from the bad things I seem to fabricate out of thin air and fixate on, but now I just can't seem to switch my mind off. I still sleep well, but it doesn't come quite as easily as it used to.

 

[MatskiMonk]

To anyone who is feeling depressed, I've always thought I was depressed until now, because my health is currently completely trashed. So if you are feeling depressed but your body is still working fine things aren't nearly as bad as they seem. Really.

Be happy you are not terrified whenever you have to go to the toilet, be happy you are not having terrible stomach cramps so bad you want to crawl up the walls and cannot sleep, be happy you do not have blood flowing out of your rear exit for weeks and be happy you do not have to undergo some pretty nasty examinations and treatments in the hospital.

Being broke, having no friends, no girlfriend, family troubles - all this becomes absolutely meaningless the second your health is compromised and real hell begins. And I am saying this as someone who has been suffering from clinical depression for 13 years.

So if your body is working fine rejoice for thats by far the most important thing in this world.

As for me, as my body is failing I'm in hell right now, but I'll fight my way out of this pit with tooth and claws.

I agree and I disagree.

I've spat out three pieces of me that I will never get back this weekend, it is a uniquely horrible feeling... on the flipside.. there are a great many people with depression that just dont give a ****. Letting go of ones physical health is not uncommon for people suffering, its a good thing that you still care about your body.

 

[Michael88]

I agree and I disagree.

I've spat out three pieces of me that I will never get back this weekend, it is a uniquely horrible feeling... on the flipside.. there are a great many people with depression that just dont give a ****. Letting go of ones physical health is not uncommon for people suffering, its a good thing that you still care about your body.

Its really hard not to care when you are in great physical pain crapping your guts out with bloody stool every day for weeks and you are facing absolutely terrible and debilitating treatment procedures. My depression has been bad lately but now it has reached a severity I thought was not possible a few weeks ago, a severity which is probably very hard to reach without the physical aspects.
The reasons for my general depression before this problem started seem laughable and absolutely ridiculous now.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Anybody got any opinions on dietry magnesium levels or suppliments and mood?

Seems in people that drink too much (me), magnesium levels can drop quite a bit, and given people that have a poor diet (me) are already lacking in it. It was recommended to me and I've had mixed results (though there are many other variables I'm not controlling). This article is a good starting point for anyone curious...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/...gnesium-and-the-brain-the-original-chill-pill

 

[Imari]

Anybody got any opinions on dietry magnesium levels or suppliments and mood?

Seems in people that drink too much (me), magnesium levels can drop quite a bit, and given people that have a poor diet (me) are already lacking in it. It was recommended to me and I've had mixed results (though there are many other variables I'm not controlling). This article is a good starting point for anyone curious...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/...gnesium-and-the-brain-the-original-chill-pill

Keep in mind that a lot of standard off the shelf magnesium supplements are magnesium oxide, which is very insoluble. So you're actually not getting that much even though it may have a big number on the bottle. Chloride or malate are good, or even just having a nice epsom salts bath. Magnesium is absorbed well through the skin.

I too have had mixed results trying it, but on the other hand it's not exactly something where there's any drawback to trying. It's highly unlikely to make you feel worse unless you're catastrophically overdosing (in which case you'll know about it), and maybe it turns out to be the thing you need.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Keep in mind that a lot of standard off the shelf magnesium supplements are magnesium oxide, which is very insoluble. So you're actually not getting that much even though it may have a big number on the bottle. Chloride or malate are good, or even just having a nice epsom salts bath. Magnesium is absorbed well through the skin.

I too have had mixed results trying it, but on the other hand it's not exactly something where there's any drawback to trying. It's highly unlikely to make you feel worse unless you're catastrophically overdosing (in which case you'll know about it), and maybe it turns out to be the thing you need.

Interesting, thanks. I went to two a day Oxide tablets from one a day Oxide/Citrate/Bisglycinate in order to try and even out the effect during the day - though I'm still finding the effects changeable. Think I'll investigate an alternate supplement.

I've identified 1 element in a 3 point vicious circle (A vicious triangle!) that needs to be broken in order to start introducing elements to that circle that make it less vicious. It basically comes down to my ability to function effectively at work, and that's where I believe the Magnesium may have a benefit.

 

[JohnBM01]

I think depression is difficult when you are alone (or feel you are alone). Almost as if you have to self-medicate yourself to try to get over your depression issues. Some people can't handle these issues alone, and it ends up resulting in various self-destructive acts and low self-esteem. You will basically have to try to think positively and rely on yourself if you feel you have no one to support you in your deepest depression episodes.