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Now, for the first time ever, I kept a record of what I saw -
- Silver BMW M3
- 2 Lincoln LS V8
- Silver Mercedes 300SL
- Blue Honda Civic Del Sol, crashed up very badly - with a semi trailer.
- Black Jaguar XK8
- Black '90 Oldsmobile Toronado
- Silver Acura CSX
- Silver Audi S4
- Black Mustang GT Convertible, with exhaust upgrades
- Silver Porsche 911 Targa
- Pontiac Le Mans Wagon
- A Silver Kia Rio with hood scoops and a huge rear spoiler
- Black Corvette Stingray, circa '68
- (a first!) Silver Scion xB
- Black Mustang Steeda
- Silver BMW M3
- 2 Lincoln LS V8
- Silver Mercedes 300SL
- Blue Honda Civic Del Sol, crashed up very badly - with a semi trailer.
- Black Jaguar XK8
- Black '90 Oldsmobile Toronado
- Silver Acura CSX
- Silver Audi S4
- Black Mustang GT Convertible, with exhaust upgrades
- Silver Porsche 911 Targa
- Pontiac Le Mans Wagon
- A Silver Kia Rio with hood scoops and a huge rear spoiler
- Black Corvette Stingray, circa '68
- (a first!) Silver Scion xB
- Black Mustang Steeda
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Interesting - those G55s are pretty tough for me too. In fact I think all told they're the rarest AMG version in existence. I'm helped out a bit by my location (what with all the snow) but still, I only see a G55 every week and a half, and I only see the rare supercharged version maybe once a month, twice if I'm lucky.
I think they're the worst example of gross SUV excess - particularly the supercharged one. 469 horsepower in that shell. Jeez...
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Do they not sell them in Canada? (or are Canadians just not stupid enough to buy them?
)By the way kudos on the newer Toronado - those things are pretty rare. You wouldn't have happened to check and see whether it was the unusual Trofeo model?
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In Europe the CRD Jeep/Chyslers probably out sell the 4ltr petrols. CRD stands for common rail diesel so i think the one M5power must be one. I believe it's an Italian company who designed/built them.
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When the vehicle came out there was actually an article in the paper about how Denver was one of the few markets it was going to. God forbid I should actually find the article. Wikipedia suggests that no more than 18,000 will ever be sold - they made up only about 4% of all Liberty sales.
And I didn't check....I was heading the other way. Didn't think the late Toronado's were that special.
The Trofeo was the performance model (supposedly) and was sold from '87-'92 (vs. '86-'92 for the regular one). It was outselling the regular model by the end so maybe it's not that rare. Still - no '86-'92 Toronado is common. Good sighting.
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It's funny how MP5 power put's a reason why EVERYcar he takes a pic of. He gives like awikorpedia (can't remember site, one eye lid is closed and alseep the other is half way.) defination on everything he posts. It's like hres a super rare limted edition Volvo.. After we all doubted him why he posts up some of them.
Master_Yoda
Well I could take pictures of RS6s and M5s until I was blue in the face. That stuff bores me. Appreciation for truly cool cars comes only when you can recognize rarity in every day cars. Most people probably wouldn't be able to call the Liberty CRD, or the converted convertible Mercedes. My hope is that posting them here enriches everyone just a little. 
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no they werentM5Power
they were sold in 1995 and 1996 rebadged as an R for '96 but it was still exactly the same as the T5-R 
and iirc they were sold in blue,yellow,black,red and green
That's nice: A Jaguar XJR next to a Porsche Carrera 4 and an Mazda RX8, all in black.
Yes, I agree. It's gorgeous. It looks a little bit like the Infinity FX35 which is also a very nice looking car.
M5PowerAnd the grille (from my mirror):
August 3, 2006 - Aurora, Colo.
I'm not sure about you guys, but I think it's gorgeous.
Yes, I agree. It's gorgeous. It looks a little bit like the Infinity FX35 which is also a very nice looking car.
Well then my statement is right, isn't it, considering that you just said yourself the T-5R was only sold in 1995?Holdenhsvgtsrno they werent
Here's how it broke down, as I'm an expert on these cars and you clearly aren't: in 1995, the 850 T-5R debuted with a higher-output 2.3-liter five than the Turbo (240hp vs. 222hp). The T-5R was only sold in 1995 and only in yellow and black, in sedan and wagon guise, LIKE I SAID. Then the 850R then came out in 1996. It was NOT exactly the same and featured four major differences from the T-5R: one was the fact that it came in other colors (and DID NOT come in yellow). Another was the wheels - more spokes than the T-5R's classic five-spoke design, though they were still 17" alloys (vs. 16s on Turbos and 15s on others). Additionally, 850R production was NOT limited. T-5Rs were limited to a certain number of units but 850Rs were not meaning T-5Rs are (much) rarer. And finally, the year: the 850R was sold from 1996 to 1997. That makes me wholly correct by saying that the T-5R was sold only in 1995. And again and yet another person challenging my knowledge of rare versions of production cars gets what's coming.
benzoboy
Today's sightings were quite good, as Fridays usually are:
August 4, 2006 - Denver, Colo.
Nothing spectacular there, but decent sightings no less.
August 4, 2006 - Denver, Colo.
I've now photographed probably six different Bentley Arnages and not once has the photograph turned out clear. Excusable this time though, since the green one was heading the other direction and the black one had more glare than a wall of mirrors reflecting light directly from the sun.
I'm going golfing tonight so I'm not sure if I'll get out to see some cars later. I hope so though as these last few summer weekends do seem to produce.
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try againM5PowerWell then my statement is right, isn't it, considering that you just said yourself the T-5R was only sold in 1995?
Here's how it broke down, as I'm an expert on these cars and you clearly aren't: in 1995, the 850 T-5R debuted with a higher-output 2.3-liter five than the Turbo (240hp vs. 222hp). The T-5R was only sold in 1995 and only in yellow and black, in sedan and wagon guise, LIKE I SAID. Then the 850R then came out in 1996. It was NOT exactly the same and featured four major differences from the T-5R: one was the fact that it came in other colors (and DID NOT come in yellow). Another was the wheels - more spokes than the T-5R's classic five-spoke design, though they were still 17" alloys (vs. 16s on Turbos and 15s on others). Additionally, 850R production was NOT limited. T-5Rs were limited to a certain number of units but 850Rs were not meaning T-5Rs are (much) rarer. And finally, the year: the 850R was sold from 1996 to 1997. That makes me wholly correct by saying that the T-5R was sold only in 1995. And again and yet another person challenging my knowledge of rare versions of production cars gets what's coming.
http://www.t5r.org/pages/frameset.htm
1996 green estate 850 T5-R own3d thank you
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Sorry - I'll never be "owned" by you.Holdenhsvgtsr
From WikiPedia:
1995:
850 T 5R ($35,545 MSRP): 2.3 L I5, 240 hp (179 kW) at 5600 rpm and 221 ft·lbf (300 N·m) at 2100 rpm
1996
850 R ($37,925 MSRP): 2.3 L I5, 240 hp (179 kW) at 5600 rpm and 221 ft·lbf (300 N·m) at 2100 rpm
The T5-R high performance version became the R in 1996, but the performance differences remained relatively the same.
From vlvworld.com:
The 850 T5R badge was used only in 1995, the name was reduced to 850 R in 1996.
From vmrintl.com:
For 1995, a T5-R model really stretched the traditional Volvo envelope. The proliferation continued in 1996 with premium Platinum and performance "R" configurations added to the model lineup.
And best yet, my own favorites at ConsumerGuide:
1995 Volvo 850:
In the spring, Volvo introduced limited-edition sporty versions of the sedan and wagon, called the T-5R. Just 1000 units, all with a special yellow paint treatment, were imported.
1996 Volvo 850:
Volvo added a second turbocharged model in the spring--the Volvo 850 R
I know you won't apologize - but you should.
ROAD_DOGG33J
No - but thanks for defending me and finding those sites.
:tup:I agree that the Diablo is or at least looks better than the Murcielago or Gallardo but I'm not sure why you seem to think that older equals better.
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Perhaps because the Diablo was more "authentic" in it's Italian-ness (yes, I know that Lambo was owned by Chrysler, Megatech and Audi during the Diablo's reign), ot perhaps because the car was more alluring because of it's dangers (lack of AWD in many models). Maybe it is even the styling, being the last of the Gandini Lamborghini's. But still: More-or-less every Lamborghini > Gallardo.
Toronado
Espada? Urraco? I agree the Gallardo doesn't compare to the Miura or Murcielago but folks... it's not intended to. The Gallardo is one of my favorite-looking cars and those who have seen one can't help but agree.
👍 I like the Gallardo too and I agree the Diablo has a powerful presence. The thing has a spectacular, mind-numbing look to it. It's my favorite-looking supercar ever.
That's not a reason to say they're better!
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Not the Porsche Cayenne Turbo S? Just as heavy, but with an extra 50HP? It's all good, yo....
But I finally got some interesting stuff. In order, left to right:
BMW 540i Wagon/Estate (may not be as rare as I think, though)
Ford Focus SVT (outsold by the Mustang SVT by, what, 10 to 1?)
Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Wagon/Estate (first time I've seen one outside a showroom)
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (genuine, not rebadged)
And does anyone know what the last one means? Standard-looking Lotus Elise (dark grey, light grey stripes with yellow pinstriping), but has this HRM decal on the side. Even the front license plate has "HRM Special" on it. I can post more pictures if need be. Never heard of HRM.
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Those are bad but the G55 is "conspicuous consumption" to the highest possible level. It throws subtlety - something not totally lost on the Cayenne - completely out the window.
None of that is interesting (
) with the exception of the E55 wagon, which is one of the most interesting cars in this thread, bar none. Mercedes claimed it was selling just one hundred of them in the United States. Not per year, not in that color, not with those wheels - ever. However it then returned for model year 2006. Regardless, there are no more than 300 of them in this country at this time (that's a liberal estimate - I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than 250) - that makes them rarer than the Porsche Carrera GT. For a long time I swore they didn't exist. I've still not seen one, despite two gigantic and hugely popular local Mercedes dealers. Spectacular sighting (but probably lost on this group ). 👍EDIT: note the thickness of the rear license plate frame. It contains a radar detector. By the way, the SVT Focus is the rarer ZX5 (5-door) edition - still not too uncommon, but much less common than the standard (ZX3 - 3-door) one.
Google says the "Hunting Ridge Motors" edition? As in, a special edition a dealer concocted that probably includes a few body mods. Jack Daniels Audi in New Jersey used to have a great bodykit on A4s; they called it the Jack Daniels Edition.
http://www.huntingridgemotors.com/cars.php?cat=lotus&carid=1433&subcat=elise
Do you live near that dealer? (it's in Port Chester, New York)
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They really aren't unless you aren't speaking in terms of overall performance.
Lamborghini's little Jalpa was hardly a success with only 410 models made in a 7 year lifespan. At this time though, it's safe to say this could have been a failure by living in the shadows of the Lamborghini Countach.
However, the Jalpa that succeeded did do better than the Silhouette P300 which wasn't much a good success either with 52 built, and only 31 known to exist between a 3 year life span. Again, it may be safe to assume it failed living in the shadows of the Countach LP400.
The Urraco P250, P300, and P200 were actually decent.
The P250 started out well for the Urraco with 520 cars built between '72-'76.
The P300 followed with 190 units in between '74-'79.
The P200 was built in 66 numbers, but only offered in Italy between '75-'77.
Now, take a look at these cars. Why do you think they had poor numbers? It isn't because they're V8s. Notice the P250, introduced in '72 had 520 models built. Now notice how the numbers slowly trickle down. Their "short-success" after the P250 was due to the most famous 80's Lamborghini, the Countach. Introduced in '74, 2 years after the Urraco, it ran all the way until 1990 in January under the Anniversary.
Whether you're speaking in terms of performance or not, the last V8s of Lamborghini are widely unknown due to living in the shadow of the al-mighty Countach and Miura.
They were the little cars Lamborghini offered to people who couldn't afford the Countach supposedly. A Jalpa brand new was worth $58,000. Today, they are a little low. In 2003, a 1988 model was worth $32,000. An '82 model was under $20,000.
The only Lamborghini that managed to gain some fame while living under the shadow of the Countach was the Espada 400 GTE from '72-'78 with 420 models.
Now, notice this. Why do the cars produced in between '72 and '74 seem to have some higher numbers?
Simple. The Miura ended life in '72 as a P400 SV. The Countach began life as the LP400 in '74.
Who the hell wanted a cheap V8 when you could have 2 big V12s (sarcasm). Yeah, this post was a little long, but I'm hoping it would give a little insight to why M5Power's "older isn't exactly better" comment (not in exact words though) is actually quite a bit of truth.
Lamborghini's little Jalpa was hardly a success with only 410 models made in a 7 year lifespan. At this time though, it's safe to say this could have been a failure by living in the shadows of the Lamborghini Countach.
However, the Jalpa that succeeded did do better than the Silhouette P300 which wasn't much a good success either with 52 built, and only 31 known to exist between a 3 year life span. Again, it may be safe to assume it failed living in the shadows of the Countach LP400.
The Urraco P250, P300, and P200 were actually decent.
The P250 started out well for the Urraco with 520 cars built between '72-'76.
The P300 followed with 190 units in between '74-'79.
The P200 was built in 66 numbers, but only offered in Italy between '75-'77.
Now, take a look at these cars. Why do you think they had poor numbers? It isn't because they're V8s. Notice the P250, introduced in '72 had 520 models built. Now notice how the numbers slowly trickle down. Their "short-success" after the P250 was due to the most famous 80's Lamborghini, the Countach. Introduced in '74, 2 years after the Urraco, it ran all the way until 1990 in January under the Anniversary.
Whether you're speaking in terms of performance or not, the last V8s of Lamborghini are widely unknown due to living in the shadow of the al-mighty Countach and Miura.
They were the little cars Lamborghini offered to people who couldn't afford the Countach supposedly. A Jalpa brand new was worth $58,000. Today, they are a little low. In 2003, a 1988 model was worth $32,000. An '82 model was under $20,000.
The only Lamborghini that managed to gain some fame while living under the shadow of the Countach was the Espada 400 GTE from '72-'78 with 420 models.
Now, notice this. Why do the cars produced in between '72 and '74 seem to have some higher numbers?
Simple. The Miura ended life in '72 as a P400 SV. The Countach began life as the LP400 in '74.
Who the hell wanted a cheap V8 when you could have 2 big V12s (sarcasm). Yeah, this post was a little long, but I'm hoping it would give a little insight to why M5Power's "older isn't exactly better" comment (not in exact words though) is actually quite a bit of truth.
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but clearly that is a green 1996 850 T5-R and not an 850R so unless you can clearly prove otherwise i did "own" you and proved you do not know that much about these rare carsM5PowerSorry - I'll never be "owned" by you.
and also where in those links does it say that the t5-r was only build in yellow and black,only of the links says it was imported in only yellow(which would prove you wrong about black ones) and when its talking about imports it doesnt say anything about the ones in europe.
