Disheartened and disappointed with switching to wheel :(

[stpatty]

I used a controller in GT Sport for the best part of a year and a half, then switched to a wheel in 2019. You'll get there. You need to remember that you know how to play the game, you just don't know how to a drive. There isn't really any specific advice besides spend time with it, as infuriating as it sounds. The more time you spend, the better you'll be as you get used to it. Daily races will be good since you can just go round and round the same car/track constantly.

It's definitely worth it.

 

[breeminator]

I don't know whether or not it's a problem with my setup, but having used a wheel and pedals with GTS, I use a controller with GT7 because the wheel just absolutely sucks with GT7, worst force feedback of any driving game ever. It could be a problem with my setup, as it's a PC/Xbox Fanatec wheel via a Drive Hub, but it's just terrible, having been perfect in GTS.

 

[Jump_Ace]

I cannot quote everyone who replied since I posted my video but I read all of them, TWICE! Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply, seems like I have to change my thinking completely and not try to replicate my inputs from controller to the wheel and expect the same!

I've felt useless and stupid since the switch. Funny thing is my actual, real life car is only slightly less powerful than the GT3 cars yet I can handle that like it's nothing, including very fast and tight corners and left foot braking, etc 🤣

Back to the drawing board I guess but really, THANK YOU all for taking the time and explain in detail, much appreciated!! ❤️

It took me a full year to get back to my controller pace, car control and consistency. While I felt like I was nearly there after a couple months, every time I'd put a lap down with a controller, I'd still be off pace and couldn't catch the car properly before spinning out. Just put in the time, you have the talent to do it, you just have to build up that muscle memory. You'll be fine soon enough.


Jerome

 

[Mudda Chod]

I don't know whether or not it's a problem with my setup, but having used a wheel and pedals with GTS, I use a controller with GT7 because the wheel just absolutely sucks with GT7, worst force feedback of any driving game ever. It could be a problem with my setup, as it's a PC/Xbox Fanatec wheel via a Drive Hub, but it's just terrible, having been perfect in GTS.

I'm on G29 and ffb is exactly the same in GT7 as it was in GTS. Feels good.

There are many people complaining about ffb in GT7, but so often they don't even mention what hardware they are using, which is kinda stupid.

In your case, I believe drive hub maps all wheels to (simulate) a G29, so the output from the game should be fine i.e. same as what is being sent to my wheel. So I guess it must be an issue with some of the Fanatec wheels.

At the risk of sounding like Microsoft support, have you updated the Fanatec firmware to the latest version? And drivehub? It is possible that GT7 changed something in the data that's pushed.


Also I use Ffb setting (in game) to Force 2, Sensitivity 4-5 or more as per your preference, but I have no idea how this translates through drivehub to a Fanatec wheel. Did you try different settings to see if the default wheel settings need something different in GT7 through drivehub?

 

[breeminator]

And drivehub? It is possible that GT7 changed something in the data that's pushed

I had to update the drive hub firmware for it to work even remotely well, it was running at 10fps or something before that, so GT7 has definitely changed something. The most recent drive hub firmware didn't work well, I had to use a specific older version that was mentioned on here as working well, but it feels absolutely nothing like GTS's force feedback for me.

 

[anh165]

It's called boost ... if you play on a DS controller, the game deems you as a beginner so you get assistance from the 'physics' of the game.

 

[Goshin2568]

I had to update the drive hub firmware for it to work even remotely well, it was running at 10fps or something before that, so GT7 has definitely changed something. The most recent drive hub firmware didn't work well, I had to use a specific older version that was mentioned on here as working well, but it feels absolutely nothing like GTS's force feedback for me.

I have a very similar setup (fanatec csw 2.5 with xbox wheel and drivehub, which I've used with both GTS and GT7) and it works perfectly. If you don't mind answering a few questions I think I can probably help you out.

• What wheelbase and wheel do you have, specifically?

• What version of the drivehub firmware are you currently using? The current latest beta drivers (I think it's like 2.9 beta 4 or something like that) are working perfectly for me. When you go into the updater tool, you have to uncheck the box that says "use latest version" and then it will give you a drop down to select the specific version. The "latest version" is actually the latest non-beta version, and is way older than the actual latest beta version. This could very likely be the entire issue, the last time I checked the default "latest version" firmware was just completely broken with GT7.

• Is the drivehub in fanatec mode or fanalogic mode? You can see this when you first turn on your wheel, after it shows the fanatec firmware version and stuff, either the letter F or L will flash 3 times on the display screen on your wheel. It should be on fanatec mode. If it's in logitech mode it will feel dramatically different (and worse). This is changed with a button combo that I can tell you once I know what wheel you're using.

• When was the last time you updated your wheels fanatec firmware? This probably isn't the issue, but if it's been like 2-3 years or something than that might be a factor.

 

[breeminator]

Thanks a lot for taking the time to write all that, I think the solution might well be in there, but I've actually dismantled my wheel setup, so would have to put it all back together to try things out now. I was using a specific older beta version that a thread on here had mentioned as working well, but it wasn't working at all well for me. The switching between Logitech and Fanatech mode wasn't working, so it was stuck in Logitech mode, which I'd thought wasn't a huge problem as the two were fairly similar in GTS, but perhaps the difference is bigger in GT7. Maybe using the latest beta version would fix that. I have the exact same wheel and base as you. I think I'm going to stick with controller, as I'm using the space the wheel setup was occupying for other things now.

 

[Theufcveteran]

It's called boost ... if you play on a DS controller, the game deems you as a beginner so you get assistance from the 'physics' of the game.

There is no boost. At most they’re dampening inputs to make the controller smoother and easier to control than raw inputs. If controller players actually got an increase to grip, every top player would be using it.

 

[anh165]

There is no boost. At most they’re dampening inputs to make the controller smoother and easier to control than raw inputs. If controller players actually got an increase to grip, every top player would be using it.

Top players prefer and master their skills on the game with a wheel so they're unlikely to waste time trying to breaking records on a controller. There's no credibility to being fast on a joypad.

GT games are mainly geared towards causual gamers, give them a false sense of security and an ego boost when they pick up a controller.

 

[Nebuc72]

Top players prefer and master their skills on the game with a wheel so they're unlikely to waste time trying to breaking records on a controller. There's no credibility to being fast on a joypad.

GT games are mainly geared towards causual gamers, give them a false sense of security and an ego boost when they pick up a controller.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. It baffles me you come in every month or so and just spew utter false nonsense. I can only assume this rant about gamepads is your attempt to make yourself feel better for being beat by people using them.

 

[Met Entso]

Slowly getting there. Had a record with current time trial of 1.58.3 with controler, and today with the wheel got 1.58.6 with opt of 1.58.1.

But man it's a workout.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

But man it's a workout.

I actually turned down my ffb, because I was getting fatigued from the wheel workout. I lose some feedback of course, but I can play longer. Then again, maybe I'm just too feeble, lol. I wonder if my trainer has a workout for those muscles?

 

[anh165]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. It baffles me you come in every month or so and just spew utter false nonsense. I can only assume this rant about gamepads is your attempt to make yourself feel better for being beat by people using them.

I don't play GT online

and I couldn't care less if I am faster or slower on a playstation racing game ... its just something car driving related to entertain me and nothing more.

Most gamers who has decided to invest in a wheel will likely invest the time to learn how to 'drive' faster, where the rest just want to have a quick bash to kill some time before moving on to FIFA

 

[oqvist]

I don't play GT online

and I couldn't care less if I am faster or slower on a playstation racing game ... its just something car driving related to entertain me and nothing more.

Most gamers who has decided to invest in a wheel will likely invest the time to learn how to 'drive' faster, where the rest just want to have a quick bash to kill some time before moving on to FIFA

I don´t know many seem to be very serious with their gamepad. Game is designed around it so perhaps it´s faster I don´t know. I am a simracer so I have by tradition always used wheel for simulations and arcade that isn´t to handicapped by a wheel and only gamepad for arcade titles so I don´t really know which I have better muscle memory for. As for drifting gamepad was recommended but dunno I seem to get a tad better results with a wheel but I don´t understand drifting in Gran Turismo and can only get bronze either way lol.

 

[Met Entso]

I actually turned down my ffb, because I was getting fatigued from the wheel workout. I lose some feedback of course, but I can play longer. Then again, maybe I'm just too feeble, lol. I wonder if my trainer has a workout for those muscles?

I did too finally. It was too much. Don't know if it helped but I just beat my own record with controller in the TT, 1.58.0 with opt of 1.57.5. If i had one more day I think I'd get gold!

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Most gamers who has decided to invest in a wheel will likely invest the time to learn how to 'drive' faster, where the rest just want to have a quick bash to kill some time before moving on to FIFA

Or I can't justify getting a third wheel for it to work with GT7. Or another peripheral to make my current one work, without official support.

 

[Imari]

I actually turned down my ffb, because I was getting fatigued from the wheel workout. I lose some feedback of course, but I can play longer. Then again, maybe I'm just too feeble, lol. I wonder if my trainer has a workout for those muscles?

I did too finally. It was too much. Don't know if it helped but I just beat my own record with controller in the TT, 1.58.0 with opt of 1.57.5. If i had one more day I think I'd get gold!

Playing with strong FFB feels cool but it's slower.

You want it just strong enough that you can feel the feedback and that when you want to let the FFB flick the wheel (say, to catch a slide) it can, but not strong enough that you're having to fight the wheel at all. You're better off working on developing sensitivity in your hands and fingertips to better feel the feedback than bulking up to better fight the wheel strength.

There's a reason that race cars are built with power steering if the regulations allow it.

It is still super fun to play with strong FFB sometimes though.

 

[Met Entso]

Playing with strong FFB feels cool but it's slower.

You want it just strong enough that you can feel the feedback and that when you want to let the FFB flick the wheel (say, to catch a slide) it can, but not strong enough that you're having to fight the wheel at all. You're better off working on developing sensitivity in your hands and fingertips to better feel the feedback than bulking up to better fight the wheel strength.

There's a reason that race cars are built with power steering if the regulations allow it.

It is still super fun to play with strong FFB sometimes though.

That makes a lot of sense, thank you for sharing 👍

 

[InThaHouse]

I managed to borrow a Windows 11 laptop and installed latest G Hub and wheel drivers. I set rotation to 360 and pedal sensitivity to how I like it and it made all the difference! I'm now over a second faster than my best controller times and the steering/ pedals are much more responsive! Frown has been turned upside down 🤣

Thanks for starting this thread, I have been struggling since I got my g29.

Can you share the exact settings you are using in the G Hub? would be very much appreciated

 

[snc]

1) wheel is mostly to give you more immersion not to improve your times 2) wheel and pad are quite similar in the game pace and you can be amazing fast both using wheel and pad (there are players using pad with 90k+ dr) 3) its not problem with g29 and rotation settings problem, Mikail Hizal used g29 in one point of time and was one of the fastest if not the fastest in the game (gt sport but similar story)

 

[pedrocor]

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Aside from ABS, I don't have any assists at all, neither on controller or on wheel. I guess I have no choice to keep trying. Will post a video with controller and wheel laps asap maybe you guys can spot some errors...

You have on the controller. I called it "hidden" because they built in the code, not related to the ones you can switch on or off on setting.
Don't have to believe me, there is a very easy test anyone (who as both a wheel and a controller, of course) can do in the game:
Take the Plymouth Superbird stock to Daytona, the Sunday Cup 600pp. Set all assists of (ABS doesn't matter anyway, you aren't supposed to even brake) and test both the controller and the wheel.
In the controller you can easily keep the car stable through the corners, without issues, while with the wheel is almost impossible to turn the wheel without completely loosing the rear.
This is the kind of situation a wheel should be a major advantage, as you can be a lot smoother and progressive on steering inputs, still the car goes on rails on the controller simply because there is some kind of non configurable counter steer assist on the controller that there isn't on a wheel. You have to positively throw the car sideways to loose it in the controller.
In this particular situation is pretty obvious and no question is just a matter of feeling.

 

[DivitLad]

put original post in a more suitable thread

 

[InThaHouse]

Yes it's "baked in". When you hook the wheel up to the pc there's a Logitec Hub program you download and you can mess with wheels settings in there and it will apply them to whatever you use the wheel for. The settings are stored until you change them on pc again. You can set the wheel degrees, peddle input. I set my centre spring to "on" and changed the value to 20 from 10 as was recommended in a video I watched. Just Google settings it's one of the first 5 or so results.

The firmware is really important since you are probably many versions behind if you haven't connected to a pc. For the firmware gonto the Logitec website and go to support and downloads and find the g29.

Remember the wheel isn't very strong so if you set your ffb past 3 it's not giving you any info it's just producing innacuarate force. I got used to driving with bad settings and strong arming my wheel around for no reason and got way faster when I could actually feel the tires/road.

Maybe you can help me, everytime I plug my G29 back in to ps5 it reverts back? How do i get the g hub Settings to stay? 😊

 

[FrankieStail]

Maybe you can help me, everytime I plug my G29 back in to ps5 it reverts back? How do i get the g hub Settings to stay? 😊

G hub settings only work on pc as wheel doesn’t have any memory.
Try in game settings of 3 and 10.

 

[zjn]

I managed to borrow a Windows 11 laptop and installed latest G Hub and wheel drivers. I set rotation to 360 and pedal sensitivity to how I like it and it made all the difference! I'm now over a second faster than my best controller times and the steering/ pedals are much more responsive! Frown has been turned upside down 🤣

Hi, PS4+G29 user here....

Quite interesting discussion, which I missed in its earliest messages.
I'm an average driver, I'm happy with the wheel because of the immersion it gives. I have it since couple of months. I was playing GT7 before also with the pad, but my fatty and slow fingers are not done to have that much sensitivity on sticks and triggers.

I enjoy a lot the wheel. I'm probably a better driver now, but it has more to do with learning the basics of track race than to the device.

I also am note very happy about how GT7 uses the wheel input, and gives you feedback, in particular on the quantity on rotation needed tu turn. I'm confortable with the way ACC uses it, as I prefer to give up a bit of precision to gain less need to rotate the wheel.

Therefore I'm very interested on your findings. Do you do confirm that changing the wheel parameters via PC makes the change permanent moving to PS4 and playing GT7?


Thanks

 

[kilesa4568]

Therefore I'm very interested on your findings. Do you do confirm that changing the wheel parameters via PC makes the change permanent moving to PS4 and playing GT7?


Thanks

PC software is only for PC titles. On console, it reverts to default as there's no memory to store anything.

It's funny hearing 'immersion' mentioned so many times in wheel threads and it was even one of the reasons I switched but for the life of me, I'm yet to feel any. Don't get me wrong, I've loved using wheels and love the granular control but it's never actually felt like driving when so many sensations are missing. It's just become another way of playing a driving video game. The plus side is that since I've given up on finding immersion in a driving game, it's made me go back to grabbing the keys and looking for some nice and twisty b roads. Bliss.

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Thanks for starting this thread, I have been struggling since I got my g29.

Can you share the exact settings you are using in the G Hub? would be very much appreciated

Will need to check but I can 100% confirm i reduced steering angle down from 720 to 360 degrees and that was the biggest/ best change from default settings! I also remember I increased brake pedal sensitivity as I don't have upgraded springs and the standard ones are a bit disconnected from "real feel" if that makes sense...

 

[TechnoIsLove]

PC software is only for PC titles. On console, it reverts to default as there's no memory to store anything.

It's funny hearing 'immersion' mentioned so many times in wheel threads and it was even one of the reasons I switched but for the life of me, I'm yet to feel any. Don't get me wrong, I've loved using wheels and love the granular control but it's never actually felt like driving when so many sensations are missing. It's just become another way of playing a driving video game. The plus side is that since I've given up on finding immersion in a driving game, it's made me go back to grabbing the keys and looking for some nice and twisty b roads. Bliss.

No mate, settings changed in G-Hub and saved to wheel are still the settings taken to GT7. Just the difference from 720 to 360 degrees of rotation is the biggest proof 🙂

 

[zjn]

No mate, settings changed in G-Hub and saved to wheel are still the settings taken to GT7. Just the difference from 720 to 360 degrees of rotation is the biggest proof 🙂

Now i know what i will do tomorrow